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Title: CCM 500 1973
Post by: HL400 on February 21, 2011, 10:55:01 am: Hi there CCM experts, can some tell me are there any major differences betwen the 1973 CCM and the 1974 model.
there is a 1973 CCM on Ebay at the moment and I am thinking on making and offer. HL
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: GMC on February 21, 2011, 11:11:53 am: I beleive its mostly the rear end of the frames which are slightly different.
The 74 has the shocks mounted a bit further forward.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: firko on February 21, 2011, 12:25:36 pm: The main difference that I'm aware of is that the '74 model has forward mounted rear suspension a la '74 Maico. Below is a shot of Jonesys genuine '74 showing the swingarm and rear subframe and dear old Frank Melling testing a '73 back in the day. I'm fairly sure everything else is similar between the two models.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ajccm.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ccm%2073%20melling.jpg)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: bazza on February 21, 2011, 03:07:30 pm: just rear shock angle
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on February 21, 2011, 11:07:09 pm: She's up to 4k ..jumped 2k today with 7 days to go...pretty popular 8)
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on February 22, 2011, 07:51:38 am: Upto 6000, realistic value probably 15K
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: paul on February 22, 2011, 07:56:48 am: i spoke to him yesterday .take out a bank loan
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: grouty on February 22, 2011, 08:06:06 am: The two models are light years apart. Frames are totally different.
Bottom frame tubes, swingarm, rear seat tubes, top tube, airbox, shock mounting and angle, forks etc etc.
As lovely as the 74 looks, my favorite is still the 73. Ok, I am biased, but I do love them all.
Be prepared to pay a premium for them though. Also budget for a good going through. It may say "race ready" but don't believe it !
Money pits they are, but on full song they are superb. I always run mine on good old R40. My engines have been reliable for many years.
Most engine sizes were available in 73. For me the short stroker is the best. Revs to the moon, and still outdrags the later 2smokes to the first corner.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: grouty on February 22, 2011, 09:00:05 am: Took me a while, but I found it.
This is a 73 frame. Muchly different to the 74.
(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr61/grouty60/NewCCMframe.jpg)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Bamford#69 on February 22, 2011, 09:06:36 am: Hi,

You are dead right about them being a money pit, BA, BSF Cycle thread, Whitworth, UNF, UNC, Metric coarse, Metric fine, are just a selection of the thread forms that I found,
There is a good website,Thumperpilots, for CCM's particularly to see the model changes from 73 onward ,although most have been modified from their original form.
CCM Britain can still make you a new CCM if you're are serious about your VMXing
cheers and good luck
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: grouty on February 22, 2011, 09:52:26 am: Just found the listing ........
If it goes for less than $10k AUS then you have a good deal. It looks to be all there.
Yes, CCM Britain (or Performance Engineering Services) can provide all the parts. The frame pic I posted was a new one Mark built for me a year or so ago. It is exactly the same as my original one. The original fork yokes are now available, but made thankfully from billet alloy ! No more shattering ! Same goes for the hubs. Don't even think of welding them.
I have just made a pair of fork sliders as per oe CCM. Not too much work, but looks loads better than Betors or spirious Jap ones.
The 90/90 bore stroke makes it a 580. Maybe a bit much for a 73 if it is built correctly.
I would love to buy it, but shipping to the UK would be stupid money. I keep telling myself "I have enough bikes".
You can never have enough ........
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on February 22, 2011, 10:06:40 am: Quote from: jikov on February 22, 2011, 09:06:36 am

You are dead right about them being a money pit, BA, BSF Cycle thread, Whitworth, UNF, UNC, Metric coarse, Metric fine, are just a selection of the thread forms that I found,

Yeah my Cheney runs all of those threads, I heard funny story that old Eric got a cheap job lot of metric bolts from the RAF so just started using them. BSA motor has all the threads under the sun.

Regarding price I was told that some of the pumped up methanol Cheneys have AUD 30K in them. Price up NEB stroker crank, cast iron barrel, clutch, 3 speed box, interspan ignition, Omega piston and you are getting into 5 figures in anyones money quite rapidly.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on February 22, 2011, 12:05:27 pm: Quote from: grouty on February 22, 2011, 09:52:26 am
I keep telling myself "I have enough bikes".
You can never have enough ........
CCM Friends ;) ;D
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/ccmsclan.jpg)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on February 22, 2011, 06:10:04 pm: Quote from: grouty on February 22, 2011, 09:52:26 am
The original fork yokes are now available, but made thankfully from billet alloy ! No more shattering ! Same goes for the hubs. Don't even think of welding them.

Funny Rod Spry is just describing welding up a set of CCM hubs in the latest Classic Dirt Bike, he reckons they will be Ok for parading.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Tossa on February 22, 2011, 06:12:19 pm: Quote from: VMX247 on February 22, 2011, 12:05:27 pm
Quote from: grouty on February 22, 2011, 09:52:26 am
I keep telling myself "I have enough bikes".
You can never have enough ........
CCM Friends ;) ;D
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/ccmsclan.jpg)

the bruise Brovers!!!
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Stan S on February 22, 2011, 06:44:58 pm: Ebay seller "3010928johnny" at Shepparton. Sounds like Johnny Selva to me. Good guy, I wish I new where he finds all these collectables ;D

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CCM-1973-big-bore-VMX-/120687027662
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: grouty on February 22, 2011, 06:53:46 pm: Quote from: marcFX on February 22, 2011, 06:10:04 pm
Quote from: grouty on February 22, 2011, 09:52:26 am
The original fork yokes are now available, but made thankfully from billet alloy ! No more shattering ! Same goes for the hubs. Don't even think of welding them.

Funny Rod Spry is just describing welding up a set of CCM hubs in the latest Classic Dirt Bike, he reckons they will be Ok for parading.

Yes Mark. That particular bike will be a show queen. It is owned by the Clews family. It would be ridable slowly for the odd parade I guess.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Rosco86 on February 22, 2011, 07:49:58 pm: Stan I concour, known john since the early 80s and he seems to be able to locate anything! I bought my maicos from him, he had a quick cr250m, an ossa Phantom and i think he had a 125 monty of Michel Coombes. Can't stand that Pussycat riding jumper, especially being a Saints supporter! If you see him around say g'day from me.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: paul on February 22, 2011, 08:35:41 pm: http://cgi.ebay.de/CCM-500-Bj-1978-BSA-Maico-CZ-/250774293258?pt=Motorr%C3%A4der&hash=item3a63500b0a
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on February 23, 2011, 12:47:50 pm: Quote from: Stan S on February 22, 2011, 06:44:58 pm
Ebay seller "3010928johnny" at Shepparton. Sounds like Johnny Selva to me. Good guy, I wish I new where he finds all these collectables ;D
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CCM-1973-big-bore-VMX-/120687027662
now $9100
Hope he & his Vic mates bring a few up to HBBB,for show and tell.
The few they bought over to WA in August were real nice.
Bit like the Poms don't muck around with expenssss's ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: flower pot racing on February 23, 2011, 11:31:20 pm: Quote from: grouty on February 22, 2011, 09:52:26 am
Just found the listing ........
If it goes for less than $10k AUS then you have a good deal. It looks to be all there.
Yes, CCM Britain (or Performance Engineering Services) can provide all the parts. The frame pic I posted was a new one Mark built for me a year or so ago. It is exactly the same as my original one. The original fork yokes are now available, but made thankfully from billet alloy ! No more shattering ! Same goes for the hubs. Don't even think of welding them.
I have just made a pair of fork sliders as per oe CCM. Not too much work, but looks loads better than Betors or spirious Jap ones.
The 90/90 bore stroke makes it a 580. Maybe a bit much for a 73 if it is built correctly.
I would love to buy it, but shipping to the UK would be stupid money. I keep telling myself "I have enough bikes".
You can never have enough ........

There is an event somewhere in Wiltshire later this summer Ian and there is a container coming over from Oz with a load of bikes in it specially for the event. I am sure they could squeeze one more in there.....
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: grouty on February 24, 2011, 01:09:00 am: Noooo ..... don't say things like that Ben !
I'll be spending the kids inheritance .....
I need to finish the other 73 first.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on March 01, 2011, 12:59:56 am: Quote from: flower pot racing on February 23, 2011, 11:31:20 pm
Quote from: grouty on February 22, 2011, 09:52:26 am
Just found the listing ........
If it goes for less than $10k AUS then you have a good deal.

$10,100......19 hours.....buyers !!!! wait till the last minutes :P ......
Cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 01, 2011, 07:37:51 am: Still think you are going to need 15K to go shopping, i gave it a nudge earlier but I am happy with the Cheney
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: huskibul on March 01, 2011, 07:38:26 am: Man that's a nice sickle ! :P what do you think my chances are of gettin a ticket on and winning lotto before 8.30 tonight !!! :o
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 01, 2011, 07:54:56 am: Quote from: grouty on February 24, 2011, 01:09:00 am
Noooo ..... don't say things like that Ben !
I'll be spending the kids inheritance .....
I need to finish the other 73 first.

Imagine how happy they will be inheriting another CCM. ;D
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: bazza on March 01, 2011, 03:26:06 pm: seem to remember John and a KX450 fast pedler
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 01, 2011, 06:38:03 pm: Well still ticking bomb and I think it is about 2/3 of the way there. 15K would be quite reasonable for that bike.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on March 01, 2011, 07:29:20 pm: Quote from: marcFX on March 01, 2011, 06:38:03 pm
Well still ticking bomb and I think it is about 2/3 of the way there. 15K would be quite reasonable for that bike.

OMG ..we really need to buy one now !! cause in 10-20 years do you think they will be double ??.. ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Stan S on March 01, 2011, 07:34:43 pm: $15,000 and 50 minutes to go ;D

Stan.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: JohnnyO on March 01, 2011, 08:01:51 pm: Someone wants it bad.. i guess 15k was the reserve.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Stan S on March 01, 2011, 08:25:22 pm: Going Going Gone $19,600 OMG :D

Stan
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: JohnnyO on March 01, 2011, 08:28:18 pm: Holey Shite that went for a lot of money!! :o Knew i shoulda bought that one for 1500 pounds back in '98.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on March 01, 2011, 08:49:13 pm: Quote from: marcFX on March 01, 2011, 06:38:03 pm
15K would be quite reasonable for that bike.

geez 19,600k ---did you just do that marcfx ;D :P ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Bamford#69 on March 01, 2011, 08:56:36 pm: Hi ,
To the lucky new owner, I v'e got a 73/74 CCM front wheel , but no brake plate that should fit , if you are looking .
cheers
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: mx250 on March 01, 2011, 09:14:19 pm: Quote from: jikov on March 01, 2011, 08:56:36 pm
Hi ,
To the lucky new owner, I v'e got a 73/74 CCM front wheel , but no brake plate that should fit , if you are looking .
cheers
If they got $19,000 for a complete bike I reckon the wheel would be worth $2000 ;) ;D
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on March 01, 2011, 09:24:40 pm: Quote from: mx250 on March 01, 2011, 09:14:19 pm
Quote from: jikov on March 01, 2011, 08:56:36 pm
Hi ,
To the lucky new owner, I v'e got a 73/74 CCM front wheel , but no brake plate that should fit , if you are looking .
cheers
If they got $19,000 for a complete bike I reckon the wheel would be worth $2000 ;) ;D

I got a book and a badge and that cost me an arm and a leg :D ::) ;)
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 02, 2011, 06:16:02 am: So it exceeded my blue book value a bit ;D, but I guessed reserve, is there a need for a professional bike valuer out there.

Anyway CCM falls into same category as RH250, good trade mans bike if your trade happens to be dentistry.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: flower pot racing on March 02, 2011, 11:18:10 pm: some one wanted that bike badly. I hope it is a good one and doesnt need much (any!) work.

There was a magnificent 74 CCM recently for sale in the UK that didnt sell for quite a bit less than is and it was all done and ready to go....
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on March 03, 2011, 12:05:13 am: Quote from: flower pot racing on March 02, 2011, 11:18:10 pm
some one wanted that bike badly. I hope it is a good one and doesnt need much (any!) work.

:D yes and they reckon "the poms have lost the plot" ;)
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 03, 2011, 07:37:39 am: Quote from: flower pot racing on March 02, 2011, 11:18:10 pm
There was a magnificent 74 CCM recently for sale in the UK that didnt sell for quite a bit less than is and it was all done and ready to go....

Yeah but Aussie is on pre recession pricing still ::)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: SAABCOMBI on March 03, 2011, 10:25:54 am: If your lucky enough to get that money that good, but l done feel that they are worth that amount of money.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: HL500 on March 03, 2011, 11:40:14 am: I am not surpirised really. I located a 79 CCM500 about 12 months ago in great condition. The owner wanted $15,000 and he based that on "more than a brand new WR450", which I though was reasonable. Problem was he couldn't get it to run and for that money, that was a decider.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 03, 2011, 04:16:24 pm: Quote from: HL500 on March 03, 2011, 11:40:14 am
Problem was he couldn't get it to run

Goes with the CCM territory. I think the price of a WR450 is actually a good reference point for a bike that won't depreciate a cracker until they ban fossil fuels
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: firko on March 03, 2011, 04:23:19 pm: All of these big dollar CCMs makes Jonesys 4k '78 model look to be a pretty good buy. ;)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ccm%20sw.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ccm%202a.jpg)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 03, 2011, 04:27:58 pm: Good buy, he stole it, wonder he can sleep at night. I need to pay more attention to ebayUK .....
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: firko on March 03, 2011, 04:32:54 pm: Quote
Good buy, he stole it, wonder he can sleep at night. I need to pay more attention to ebayUK .....
It came out of Sweden actually Marc ;)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: JohnnyO on March 03, 2011, 06:39:09 pm: Quote from: firko on March 03, 2011, 04:23:19 pm
All of these big dollar CCMs makes Jonesys 4k '78 model look to be a pretty good buy. ;)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ccm%20sw.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ccm%202a.jpg)
Those '78/'79 CCM's are cool bikes and definately on my wish list for the future as soon as i unload a few of the common bikes in the fleet.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 03, 2011, 08:09:46 pm: thats it sell off your crap but let me know before you do..... it might be better quality than my ordinary stuff ;D
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: JohnnyO on March 03, 2011, 08:37:36 pm: I think you've got enough good bikes already Marc..
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Stan S on March 03, 2011, 09:23:10 pm: I raced this 79 CCM for a season in pre 80 but I found it very difficult to beat good riders on YZ400's or RM400's. I got a few seconds and I told them if they let me win they wouldn't have to listen to that old 4 stroke any more. They didn't though. Anyway my best mate bought it (really cheap) and he stripped it a few years ago but he want's to get it back together this year. GMC is replating the frame as we speak.

Stan.

(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/gf079/1st%20Mount%20Bolton/1stMountBoltonpic6.jpg)

(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/gf079/1st%20Mount%20Bolton/Copyof1stMountBoltonpic5-1.jpg)

(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af39/gf079/1st%20Mount%20Bolton/1stMountBoltonstartonCCM.jpg)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: JohnnyO on March 03, 2011, 09:33:16 pm: Stan you don't think a CCM would be up on equal ground in Evo against the big 2 strokes?
I've yet to ride one.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Stan S on March 03, 2011, 09:53:13 pm: Quote from: JohnnyO on March 03, 2011, 09:33:16 pm
Stan you don't think a CCM would be up on equal ground in Evo against the big 2 strokes?
I've yet to ride one.

JohnnyO
I believe a good rider has to work a lot harder to win on a 500 ccm compared to a 400 two stroke. I haven't ridden a 580 but maybe that would be the advantage thats needed. In saying that a well set up 79 handles very well.

Stan.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on March 04, 2011, 12:03:02 am: Just blame that Southern Californian heat,Stan S ;D :P ;)
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: HL500 on March 04, 2011, 12:59:04 am: When I was considering the 79 CCM, I contacted a supplier/manufacturer in the UK about availability of parts. He indicated the 79 models had a problem with snapping the downtube under heavy compression. He had made a replacement frame for the bikes and wanted $10,000 for one. My head was spinning at that point.

Anyone heard of this problem before. I spoken to the original WA state distributor about it and he'd never heard of it.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Stan S on March 04, 2011, 05:52:26 am: Quote from: HL500 on March 04, 2011, 12:59:04 am
When I was considering the 79 CCM, I contacted a supplier/manufacturer in the UK about availability of parts. He indicated the 79 models had a problem with snapping the downtube under heavy compression. He had made a replacement frame for the bikes and wanted $10,000 for one. My head was spinning at that point.

Anyone heard of this problem before. I spoken to the original WA state distributor about it and he'd never heard of it.
HL500,
Never heard of that frame problem and I'm sure I would have struck it if it was a common problem as I was not exactly a light weight when I raced it. Close inspection before we gave it to GMC recently didn't show any problems.

Stan.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: jerry on March 04, 2011, 07:31:47 am: Good to see you were still wearing the Bulty shirt Stan. J
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: HL500 on March 04, 2011, 12:57:23 pm: Hmmm, might call the bloke back and offer him $15000
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Stan S on March 05, 2011, 09:29:39 am: Quote from: jerry on March 04, 2011, 07:31:47 am
Good to see you were still wearing the Bulty shirt Stan. J

You gota stay loyal Jerry ;D

Stan.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: tony c on March 05, 2011, 06:22:33 pm: Stan have you more pics on the ccm they are very cool.

Tony
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Stan S on March 05, 2011, 06:34:06 pm: Quote from: tony c on March 05, 2011, 06:22:33 pm
Stan have you more pics on the ccm they are very cool.

Tony

Tony,
I will have a look but for some reason I never had any close up's of the 79 CCM but I might have more race pics.

Stan.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: tony c on March 05, 2011, 10:08:27 pm: can't wait Stan It would be good to see some more pics any thing bsa like gets me going, I would like to do a huski/ b50 evo one day but a faber b40 pre 65 would be more interesting.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on March 30, 2011, 01:17:24 pm: CCM for sale through the classic motorcycle restoration importer business in this months "Just Bikes" mag, thanks A

http://www.justauto.com.au
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: paul on March 30, 2011, 01:29:49 pm: http://www.classicstyle.com.au/
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: paul on March 30, 2011, 01:30:23 pm: under bsa ;)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on March 30, 2011, 01:40:03 pm: Quote from: paul on March 30, 2011, 01:29:49 pm
http://www.classicstyle.com.au/
Quote from: paul on March 30, 2011, 01:30:23 pm
under bsa ;)
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Thats it --not bad for under 9 grand .. :P ,with a tidy up and a different swingarm,it will bring up the ching ching $$ 8)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Stan S on March 30, 2011, 02:44:09 pm: I rang up about it a couple of weeks ago. The swing arm is Suzuki I think and maybe the forks also. The bit that put me off was the engine number started with B50MX and I didn't think CCM used the BSA engine code.

Stan.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: firko on March 30, 2011, 02:52:43 pm: Someone got it all wrong with this bike. There's a lot of work for your 9k......better bikes elsewhere.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 30, 2011, 07:03:29 pm: Quote from: firko on March 30, 2011, 02:52:43 pm
Someone got it all wrong with this bike. There's a lot of work for your 9k......better bikes elsewhere.

Hell you don't have to be a spot the difference competition winner to smell something fishy, they need the lipstick a little thicker on that pig.

Here is 74 for reference, but even if you give them the doubt and say it is 78 it still looks more PE400 than CCM500. As Stan mentioned forks, swinger and possibly frame came out of Hamamatsu, Check out the steering head shape and that the engine does not have as much room around it as a CCM of the same period. B50MX number is good clue that it is B50MX and it also seems to lack typical CCM stuff like trimmed back stepped cooling fins.

Dog of a tank and late model plastics finished off in tasteful black ..... matt black is the Camo of the car and bike world. If someone said it was B50 with CCM side cover slung in PE400T rolling chassis with black painted Don Vesco desert tank, I would think that is closer.

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/7420CCM2.jpg)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: JohnnyO on March 30, 2011, 07:11:55 pm: That bike advertised is a pig, it looks more like a BSA motor in a RM chassis and very rough. Certainly not a '74 CCM frame.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: mx250 on March 30, 2011, 07:33:42 pm: I don't recognise the frame but the reinforcing at the top mount is pretty distinctive.

(And it's a Pacifico tank ;))

(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/image1php.jpg)(http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn458/mx250syd/OzVMX/imagephp.jpg)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on March 30, 2011, 08:07:07 pm: ok ok ,,so its a 9grand something ;D
well the shed was half dark and the magazine picture not a high selling point...at least there was a CCM in the whole mag ;D
mmmmmm,,they do look very different now you point it out marcfx ;) :o
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 30, 2011, 08:07:17 pm: Quote from: mx250 on March 30, 2011, 07:33:42 pm
I don't recognise the frame but the reinforcing at the top mount is pretty distinctive.
(And it's a Pacifico tank ;))

Wow I am in awe of your knowledge of long range ugly black painted desert tanks ;D, must be a West Aussie thing.

You are also right that top mount is pretty distictive, a quick look around and i believe I have one of those 'special' CCM frames, only $3000 without the swingarm which i couldn't bare to part with.

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/125swinger.jpg)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: oldfart on March 30, 2011, 08:18:50 pm: Bsa bike looks like it is using either a Pe or Rm frame 1980 /81 and running gear
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: mx250 on March 30, 2011, 08:19:46 pm: Quote from: marcFX on March 30, 2011, 08:07:17 pm

Wow I am in awe of your knowledge of long range ugly black painted desert tanks ;D, must be a West Aussie thing.

Nah, it's a mis-spent youth 70's thing ::) :P ;D
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 31, 2011, 12:09:42 am: Quote from: oldfart on March 30, 2011, 08:18:50 pm
Bsa bike looks like it is using either a Pe or Rm frame 1980 /81 and running gear

One Clew ;D is the way the motor is rammed hard up against the front down tube, seems B50 is longer than PE400. Not like any frame CCM built.

9 grand makes it about $7000 over priced, assuming the B50MX motor is in good shape. The final insult to 74 CCMs everywhere is that exhaust with the end sticking up like a gay MP in a boy scout camp. ;)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: GD66 on March 31, 2011, 10:02:38 am: I wouldn't be touching anything from the portals of that particular motorcycling emporium, the owner is a liberal dispenser of cow droppings and he has been flogging overpriced pommy stuff for years, and getting away with it.
I know of three would-be purchasers with a clue who have travelled big distances to visit there only to walk out shaking their heads : at least it gave them a few ripping yarns for club nights. :D
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Marc.com on March 31, 2011, 04:25:09 pm: Quote from: GD66 on March 31, 2011, 10:02:38 am
he has been flogging overpriced pommy stuff for years, and getting away with it.

its an 'enthusiast' market and the sellers of pommy bikes, frames and performance engine parts etc are very enthusiastic about their pricing.

However I must admit I have recieved very good service from Rickman, PES ( CCM Britain ) and Unity Equip, I think there is a kind of new wave of companies who have turned a corner and have realised that they are sitting on a goldmine if they keep it real on price and service/
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on April 02, 2011, 11:49:08 pm: Righto I can't be wrong again :o plz say this bike is ok .....cause I reckon its the best we have seen on the forum for a long time :P
Found it on the UK Falcon Shock Site.
cheers A
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/widebodyonccm.jpg)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: flower pot racing on April 02, 2011, 11:57:01 pm: Quote from: VMX247 on April 02, 2011, 11:49:08 pm
Righto I can't be wrong again :o plz say this bike is ok .....cause I reckon its the best we have seen on the forum for a long time :P
Found it on the UK Falcon Shock Site.
cheers A
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/widebodyonccm.jpg)

That bike lives in my shed.

It is a rather special bike for CCM (and scrambles in general) and marks the ending of one era and the start of another.

Anyone know why......?
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on April 03, 2011, 12:01:29 am: Its one of the 608's and the colour was for 1974 only ? !!
cheersA
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: rowdy on April 04, 2011, 11:04:11 am: Hi Alison
My 73 CCM (frame No 97)is the yellow -Usual color for 1974 is duck egg blue for the std and White for the GP replicas

With the number or Oiginal and replicas in WA now We should look at celerating the 40 year anniversary at one of the VMXWA events this year.-Perhaps incorperated into Wandering?
May be able to push Peter to finish the 72 Stroka (frame No 21)

Cheers
dave
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on April 04, 2011, 11:13:35 am: Quote from: rowdy on April 04, 2011, 11:04:11 am
Hi Alison
We should look at celerating the 40 year anniversary at one of the VMXWA events this year.-Perhaps incorperated into Wandering?
:D Amazing ;; just the other day Steven & I where talking about a guest lists,a vmx magazine and a feature bike for Wandering Mill Farm this year and getting some eastern riders over to join us...will have to rev up the emails a notch and see whats happening.mmmmmmmm CCM 40th hey !!
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: grouty on April 06, 2011, 07:32:34 pm: 1973 SP
I am guessing Ben's bike is SP2 (maybe) out of the 3 experimental bikes built towards the end of 73.
Each one moved up a notch on suspension travel, and therefore ended one era and moved into the next as Ben said.
Just a shame you don't bring it out more often ;D
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on April 06, 2011, 08:15:38 pm: Quote from: grouty on April 06, 2011, 07:32:34 pm
1973 SP
I am guessing Ben's bike is SP2 (maybe) out of the 3 experimental bikes built towards the end of 73.
Each one moved up a notch on suspension travel, and therefore ended one era and moved into the next as Ben said.
Just a shame you don't bring it out more often ;D

cause if he did bring it out more # 1 and # 3 may also come out of hiding and then I'd have more CCM photos to flash around on OZVMX ,oh and circa74 ;D ;D
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: flower pot racing on April 06, 2011, 09:08:44 pm: Ian wins! Go straight to the top of the class!

The SP series of bikes were CCM's first go at changing frame geomteries and trying to introduce more travel.

It was the end of the traditional 4 inches of movement at the back end and 6 inches of movement at the front end and the start of the longer travel era.

In my book that makes it historically significant as it marks the end of one era and the start of another.

.......................

The bike is a feather weight (anything is light compared to what I usually ride!!!!) Jimmy told me at one meeting they weighed it several times as they couldnt believe the scales. It was lighter than the works Suzukis!
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: grouty on April 07, 2011, 08:45:51 am: Good to see you on the Circa74 site Al.
If you ever get your oz backside over to pom land, I'll give you a ride on mine :)
If you give it a year or so, we can have one each !
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on April 07, 2011, 06:40:34 pm: Quote from: grouty on April 07, 2011, 08:45:51 am
Good to see you on the Circa74 site Al.
If you ever get your oz backside over to pom land, I'll give you a ride on mine :)
If you give it a year or so, we can have one each !

Your on ;D 2013 is the plan,though I better get the newer version of Rolling Thunder to scratch up on my CCM knowledge. :P
I have the first publication, but feel so much more is probably missing.
No mention of the SP bikes above that flower pot has,it just mentions the step to 9 1/2 in the suspension,And then the overseas trip the team took.
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: grouty on April 08, 2011, 01:41:46 am: If you look really carefuly in the original book, there is a picture or two of what I am sure is SP3. You can tell because the side panels are different.
Sound like a bloody anorak don't I......... shhh .... no coments ;D
See if you can find the page. There are two 73 bikes, one is, one isn't.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on April 08, 2011, 03:28:58 pm: Quote from: grouty on April 08, 2011, 01:41:46 am
If you look really carefuly in the original book, there is a picture or two of what I am sure is SP3. You can tell because the side panels are different.
Sound like a bloody anorak don't I......... shhh .... no coments ;D
See if you can find the page. There are two 73 bikes, one is, one isn't.

You can be as anorak as you like -- its a vmx forum ;D
Since I don't have a live CCM within a 200km radius of me,and I've only just been acknowledging CCM's in the last 12 months or so,I really cant see the differents with out a tape measure and a SP in hand.Also this Rolling Thunder early version book doesnt have enough discription for the pic.....so in other words...be buggered if I know :D
ps As a difference- I'd be banking on Big John.
cheers A
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on April 21, 2011, 05:41:00 pm: 1977 Vic Eastwood(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/CCM_Eastwood_1977.jpg)
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Stan S on April 22, 2011, 12:34:32 pm: Here is one I would like to add to my garage. Unfortunatley no spare money at the moment.

Stan.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1974-CCM-VMX-AHRMA-BSA-B50-/150594770221?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item231025d52d
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: huskibul on April 22, 2011, 02:11:59 pm: Yeah!! that's a pearler stan, ive been droolin' on the keyboard since it was put up :D -should be interesting !
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on April 25, 2011, 07:52:21 pm: Quote from: Stan S on April 22, 2011, 12:34:32 pm
Here is one I would like to add to my garage. Unfortunatley no spare money at the moment.
Stan.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1974-CCM-VMX-AHRMA-BSA-B50-/150594770221?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item231025d52d

$11,600 with 5 days to go 8)
cheers via Melbourne suburbs.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: grouty on April 26, 2011, 09:13:31 am: Anyway ...... back on topic, here's one from Sunday -

(http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr61/grouty60/widworthy240411.jpg)[/img]

Photo by Nick Guppy.
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: crankpin on April 27, 2011, 07:36:33 pm: Cracking photo Ian ;D
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: VMX247 on April 29, 2011, 10:47:52 pm: Quote from: Stan S on April 22, 2011, 12:34:32 pm
Here is one I would like to add to my garage. Unfortunatley no spare money at the moment.
Stan.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1974-CCM-VMX-AHRMA-BSA-B50-/150594770221?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item231025d52d

15,360
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Stan S on May 01, 2011, 09:43:55 am: Quote from: Stan S on April 22, 2011, 12:34:32 pm
Here is one I would like to add to my garage. Unfortunatley no spare money at the moment.

Stan.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1974-CCM-VMX-AHRMA-BSA-B50-/150594770221?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item231025d52d

This 74 model sold for $15600 today

Stan.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150594770221&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&autorefresh=true
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: mx250 on May 01, 2011, 10:05:05 am: Quote from: Stan S on May 01, 2011, 09:43:55 am
Quote from: Stan S on April 22, 2011, 12:34:32 pm
Here is one I would like to add to my garage. Unfortunatley no spare money at the moment.

Stan.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1974-CCM-VMX-AHRMA-BSA-B50-/150594770221?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item231025d52d

This 74 model sold for $15600 today

Stan.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150594770221&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&autorefresh=true
:o :o :o :o

Lovely biker, but $15600 for a used unrestored (but original?) bike? :P
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: Brian Watson on May 03, 2011, 01:23:15 pm: Well...It was restored once...been well used ..but not in recent years.... can expect to be mechanically v sound...just a tidy up cosmetically..
Title: Re: CCM 500 1973
Post by: flower pot racing on May 04, 2011, 08:28:09 am: If anyone wants one, I know where there is one that is a genuine 74, completely sorted and from memory less money.....

Any takers?

(in the UK, but can be posted anywhere!)