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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: ksiderek on February 14, 2011, 03:34:13 am
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Pictured today at the off road show in Stafford, UK. An original KSI Thumper and Fabers new replacement. I have to say I really don't see the point of the new version. It's probably "twinshock" legal but is it based on the original. I know which one I would go for ;D(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/oldksithumper.jpg)http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/newksithumper.jpg[/IMG]
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(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/newksithumper.jpg)
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In its own right its quite a cool looking thing :)
As far as Vintage or twinsock racing no way ::) its up there with those S2 Maicos and all those modified linkage bikes they race in twinshock :P
From outside looking in it appears the POMs have lost the plot when it comes to the spirit of vintage racing :o
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So call it "Retro" and enjoy it! Beautiful bike, my favorite engine! Way to go Dick!! Been waiting for these photos for a LONG time! I would ride it in a heartbeat!
Swiss
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is that a ktm seat? the motor looks terrific.
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That new KSI looks cool! Maybe a little too modern with that seat but i'd love to own it.
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this is the frame they should have built
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/Cheney/Cheneymono.jpg)
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From outside looking in it appears the POMs have lost the plot when it comes to the spirit of vintage racing :o
They're not the only ones...... ::)
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Motor Aside Marc yours looks a shit load more like the original 8)
Quote " so call it retro and enjoy it "
Mate you can call it Susan for all i care ::) and ride it in modern events till your hearts content as long as we dont pretend it has a place in vintage ;)
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Bill, my Honda XL350 had 6" of rear wheel travel when I built it in 1974 so it wouldn't fit into your "Vintage" classes even back then! So I don't ride Vintage, many of the tricked out bikes in '74 had more than the "Factory" 4" rear travel spec! Enjoy your old bikes, I have enjoyed my Retro bike for the last 35 years and plan on many more with it! Besides, Susan might take offense more than I will! ;D
Swiss
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Motor Aside Marc yours looks a shit load more like the original 8)
Quote " so call it retro and enjoy it "
Mate you can call it Susan for all i care ::) and ride it in modern events till your hearts content as long as we dont pretend it has a place in vintage ;)
I wouldn't mind running that Faber in a modern race, would certainly turn some heads. ;)
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Besides, Susan might take offense more than I will! ;D
Swiss
Hell I would call it retro alright retro active freaking mess, reminds me of something CCM built as it was running out of BSA motors.
Who the hell would you sell that thing to, an RMZ owner who wants 60% less power ????, they had the potential for class legal pre 78/80 bikes.
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Yea, I dont see the point, there's hotrods out there but that aint one of them...it even looks like it has a Talon hub adapted to the rear, even Marc wouldnt do that to a bike, I'm with you Bill.....wait till Ficko comes around from his alcohol fueled coma.....the big hotrodder himself will be choking on his vegemite toast. ;D
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OK Marc, not your style! Don't know how you build your engines, but 60% less power than a RMZ?? A well built XL350 will crank out over 50hp. Should be enough for the "Vintage" Class!
Swiss
To each his own. I had a C&J Centerport XL350 frame last year and sold it rather than built it because they don't do anything for me. I like the new KSI and you can build what you want like your funky 500 Honda version if it floats your boat! ;D
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50 horsepower....what drugs are you on?...the new KTM350 motocrosser only puts out about 40....even with methonol and a gazillion dollars chucked at it it would go bang very quickly....maybe you know something the rest of the worlds bike engine builders dont?... ???
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50 horsepower....what drugs are you on?...the new KTM350 motocrosser only puts out about 40..
Anyways I actually like the Faber as a work of art .... I have my own steel tube frame based on the XL frame project but better adapted for CR250 running gear coming off the jig in New Zealand sometime in the future.
Going to call it the CSI. ;D
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Hmmm... I can see your point Swiss, but I have to go with Bill. Why would they do it? It's hardly going to compete with any modern bike, especially for younger riders, and probably harder to get parts for than any modern counterpart. So, apart from its 'uniqueness' which may appeal to the occasional older enthusiast, what is its market? On the other hand, they had a brilliant opportunity to rekindle the flavour of the original and market it squarely at the Pre 78 or 80 brigade. unless it really is class legal for that weird 'twinshock' concept they have in the UK.
As for 50 HP XL Hondas, well yes I think they can be made pretty strong can't they? Didn't Bill Bell get obscene amounts of power out of them? Tho I think they had to go well over 400cc for that...
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Maybe I do and so do others. Here is a dyno run for you to check out. Not the highest run but representative of what can be built.
Swiss
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p438/sscf_2008/Ormandynorunsmall.jpg)
My trailbike runs the same spec engine with a 3mm bigger carb and better pipe. Makes it a lot of fun! :D
Bell got some good power from them but the real power came with the 2790 Megacycle cam and bigger/better pipes, which were basically after Bell went to Yamaha with his son Mike. Jerry Branch was doing some of Bells heads and they were super for flow. As I mentioned in another post Powerhouse Products did some 403cc bikes with 44mm Mikunis, the 2790 cam and big valves/ports that would outpull a Z1 Kawasaki on the street through the 1/8th mile.
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Graeme,
You know that you can buy a "Vintage" C&J XL350 and rebuild a Bell Replica or you can buy a brand new C&J (he is back in business on a limited and expensive basis), or in England and possibly in AU they are building "Custom" C&J Replica frames that look identical to the old frames! Why is because there is some demand for them and they can make a living doing it. Will there be a demand for the "NEW" KSI frames? Probably a few and at Dick's age I don't think that he and friend are planning on making a retirement career out of it! These are "modernized" versions of the old bikes. Few of the old Fox Forks or the other trick fork sets out there so might as well either adapt something slightly newer or play with the standard 36mm forks of "The Day"... I like the newer suspension and don't have problems adapting it for my riding, which does not include Vintage racing as I could only do that a couple of times a year and even then traveling 300-500 miles to do it. I trail ride the woods and ride the open desert so am not class limited. Just run what I build and enjoy it!
Would enjoy an HL replica, but would put a 70hp TT686 engine in it rather than the older TT500 engine. Oh, and disk brakes! Want to see some Vintage Disk Brakes? O will add a photo of a Vintage dirt bike with disk brakes that I saw last week at the races. Yes, I also have the dyno charts for 70+hp 686cc Yamaha engines. Helped a friend tune his Yamaha roadracer many years ago and I built my Street Play bike with the same specs, but a little bigger carbs and stuck it into a 1989 Honda Hawk frame for the street. Was tempted to build another one with dirt suspension but we can only do so many projects and I already have too many! HA!HA!
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p438/sscf_2008/Norton866.jpg)
Forks are probably too modern for Vintage class! But they are the classic Fox Forks. In fact the Curnutts would have more than 4" of travel also. Neat bike to watch out on the track since I had a Norton P-11 back in '68 that I loved riding the desert with!
Personally, I don't care that much for the C&J Hondas, as I stated. I liked the old KSI and corresponded with Allen in the Day but didn't buy one. I had already built my own before he built his. But I like the improvements that they have made with the new KSI bike. Anyone could build Replica Frames!
Swiss
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You know that you can buy a "Vintage" C&J XL350 and rebuild a Bell Replica or you can buy a brand new C&J (he is back in business on a limited and expensive basis),
Yeah actually C&J are back in business on a hugely expensive basis as I found out to my cost. I got ripped off along with quite a few others when C&J disappeared with our cash and no frames. Thieving bastards who I wouldn't have anything to do with unless it was in court.
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(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/newksithumper.jpg)
I'm not offended by the bike at all. It is no different to when Ducati released their last MHR & Paul Smart bikes - they paid homage to the original, but with a modern interpretation. Hats of to Faber for looking to the future instead of just rehashing the same product that they have done for 50 years. It is obvious from the other bikes in the image, that they are not deserting VMX in anyway… but this bike could spur a lot of interest.
Does that mean you should front up at a VMX race with it… well no. But as a design exercise it looks bloody fantastic.
It would be interesting to hear the design rationale behind the bike. If they were just wanting to create some internet chatter then I reckon it will succeed big time.
VMX42
…and yes they are missing out on significant sales by not producing true replicas of the KSI Moates Honda.
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Swiss, I don't disagree with the notion of building bikes to suit a particular need. Your XL is a great example of the home-built special and it works very well for your intended use. And just in their own right any exercise such as the HL idea you describe are genuinely interesting.
But vintage MX is a specific thing: it's racing - and thereby celebrating - yesteryear's technology and competitive spirit.
That's why I don't understand the KSI. Taken as a modernised expression of an old idea, yes it's really trick and very neat. But where does it fit in the world? if it's meant to venerate the original KSI and serve duty in VMX racing (which presumably it is meant to going by the brakes) then it's not faithful to the original in any way, and nor does it fit into recognised vintage classes other than the European interpretation of Twin Shock.
Which in my view is really inot vintage MX.
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That faber would slot straight into the UK twinshock class just like the S1 maico's and modified CR480's so i'd reckon there is a market for it... Like it or not
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It is no different to when Ducati released their last MHR & Paul Smart bikes - they paid homage to the original,(quote)
I think it is totally different, the Ducati Paul Smart Rep is 2006 modern motorcycle with styling with a nod to the 70s. The Faber is like stuffing a round case 750 motor in a 1098 frame.
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It is no different to when Ducati released their last MHR & Paul Smart bikes - they paid homage to the original,(quote)
I think it is totally different, the Ducati Paul Smart Rep is 2006 modern motorcycle with styling with a nod to the 70s. The Faber is like stuffing a round case 750 motor in a 1098 frame.
Hey Marc,
You can argue that position if you wish, but I reckon it is more about semantics than fact. The Ducati reference was purely an example and not an absolute comparison. I like it, you don't - the world keeps spinning… ;D
Just remember that when anybody creates or designs anything there are always those that will like it and those that won't. This thing looks like one mans interpretation on a supposedly modern KSI - if you gave the same brief to 10 different designers, you would get 10 different results. It's a striking bike and certainly not for everybody, but then again I would doubt they would expect it to be. It is no different from the current trend to make Service Honda/Kawasaki 2 strokes - old engines in modern chassis…
Of course all of this is moot - as I would be very surprised if the thing made it into any sort of production [but good luck to them if it does].
Catch ya,
VMX42
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Personally, I kind of prefer this Retro version for a road bike!!
Swiss
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p438/sscf_2008/NortonCommando961Sport2sm.jpg)
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Personally, I kind of prefer this Retro version for a road bike!!
Swiss
I concur fully, probably the best looking motorcycle in the world...... much tastier than the Paul Smart, but then again I paid $1200 for my rashed PSR so I have some room to work on how it looks.
Also price is not silly when compared to Harley or top of the line Ducati.
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wait till Ficko comes around from his alcohol fueled coma.....the big hotrodder himself will be choking on his vegemite toast.
Sorry John....I like it. Nah, I love it! ;D What a cool trail bike or with a set of motard wheels it'd be ultimate unit for a cruise down to La Scala for a Sunday morning Capuccino and blueberry muffin. ;) Like everyone else though, I can't see there being much of a market for it in the GFC deadened UK or US market. Methinks Faber would have been better off putting their chassis making expertise into replicating the original KSI.
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50 horsepower....what drugs are you on?...the new KTM350 motocrosser only puts out about 40....even with methonol and a gazillion dollars chucked at it it would go bang very quickly....maybe you know something the rest of the worlds bike engine builders dont?...
My stock bore and stroke XL350 sideport engine in my old Champion dynoed at 43.6 HP back in 1990 and it was as reliable as a margarita blender. The engine was very basic, with Venolia 12.5:1 piston, Carillo rod a Megacycle flat track grind roller cam, lightened rockers and some pretty nice head work. The only problem I ever had with it were ignition and transmission breakages. Replacing the Bultaco rear wheel with a DT1 Yamaha cush drive rear hub eventally solved the transmission woes. Swiss's dyno sheet backs my claim ::).
You know that you can buy a "Vintage" C&J XL350 and rebuild a Bell Replica or you can buy a brand new C&J (he is back in business on a limited and expensive basis),
Yeah actually C&J are back in business on a hugely expensive basis as I found out to my cost. I got ripped off along with quite a few others when C&J disappeared with our cash and no frames. Thieving bastards who I wouldn't have anything to do with unless it was in court
Jeff Cole is back making C&J frames and ain't they pretty? Here's one to suit an XR500 motor. I'd own one of these in a heartbeat.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/CJ%20XR%20frame%2002.jpg)
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Hijack-Yep, somedays the Poms just got it all right !!Thanks dfisher !
(http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae59/CheneySachs/Diamond%20Don%202010/DiamondDons2010066.jpg)
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When I went to the Isle of Man in 2009 I got to see the Norton Factory Display which had the 961 and several of the older race bikes. After the races I went back to England and stopped to visit with a Pigeon raising buddy of mine who lives in Darby, which is just a stone's throw from the racetrack where Norton now has their headquarters. I didn't learn until the last day that I was visiting that my friends sons had grown up with the Norton Factory owners sons and he knew him well and could have gotten me into the shops if we had had some time to work it out!!! I really love the Carbon version!!! Terrific bike!
Still like the new KSI, but I would have a practical use for it, simply riding in the mountains and desert without worry about class restrictions. I fully understand your problems with the limitations of it not being class legal for racing. Of course they have a racing class in England that it fits so they are building what works for them.
Swiss
I really like the Cheney Norton from Texas also. Very clean build! Been watching it for over a year through the shop build! Reminds me of my P-11 but I would prefer dual pipes with one per side scrambler style and the dual carbs.
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Its a nice looking bike, but i agree its not vintage. I reckon there could be a class to cater for these bikes along withe the over the top HL500 replicas and modern built Maico 490's and single shock bikes converted to twin shock etc and call it a 'ultimate' class. Basically the engines are still old air cooled types, but the chassis, suspension and cosmetics are more modern. I know there is no room for another class in Australias schedule now though but down the track i could vision a similar class being grouped with pre 90 movement maybe. I dont think we have to worry about too many of these bikes here at this stage though and most people are still happy to see the 'over the top' HL's and Maicos still compete in EVO
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Sorry but the new model is not for me I can understand why but I would not own one, but the KSI I would own no problem it would look good next to my two C & J Honda's.
Hi Swiss good to see you on this site as well as the XL page.
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Some interesting comments here.
The bad news is that I believe there is only 4 of these being made. It's a shame it isn't based more on the original. Or even better if you had the option of an XL500 twin port engine it. If you run a business making BSA replica mx frames, why would you want to produce a modern looking bike with an old engine in it. If it's nothing like the stuff you already make, why invest all that time and money. I just dont get it. I would much rather see a like for like replica KSI Thumper, at a reasonable price that people can actually buy and race.
It's a bit like those concept cars you see at motor shows that look really cool but you never get a chance to actually buy one.
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its just that seat which looks..plonked on, all else is pretty bloody well considered and crafted. No doubt the seat is the go for riding, but something is wrong aesthetically there.
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I don't mind the look of the bike overall. It's a nice bit of work and I'd happily own it and ride it. I think it's just that European twin shock thing that I don't get. It's not vintage/classic in any shape or form, it's not a 'cheap' racing class, and it just results in nice old bikes being carved up.
But if I had the money and you offered me the modern KSI we see here, and a replica of the original Moates bike, I know which one I'd buy...
Maybe I just missed something along the line and it's a sort of concept bike. Would be interesting to hear the builder's take on it.
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The bad news is that I believe there is only 4 of these being made. It's a shame it isn't based more on the original. Or even better if you had the option of an XL500 twin port engine it. If you run a business making BSA replica mx frames, why would you want to produce a modern looking bike with an old engine in it.
Precisely, not mention Faber teased everyone on there web site for the last 4 years .... its like getting a piece of coal for Xmas.
However the class legal XL twin port option with CR running gear may well be a reality that is being worked on as we speak ;).
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Its a nice looking bike, but i agree its not vintage. I reckon there could be a class to cater for these bikes along withe the over the top HL500 replicas and modern built Maico 490's
So what's an over the top HL?
The HL's were of a 76-79 design. A few have upgraded suspension to try and keep up with Evo bikes that are mostly post 80 design but that hardly makes them "over the top"
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Guys, thanks for all the comments on the new bike, I thought you may like to know the background first hand.
Firstly, it is not a Faber project. It has been a weekend hobby engineering project between me and a mate who happens to be one of the Faber partners, Miles Webb. It helps somewhat that the bloke’s a genius with a brazing torch. Miles and Ralph Rustell built the original KSI frames for Knobby Shop – if you ever see one, the RW stamped on the headstock stands for Rustell Webb.
Second, there aren’t any production plans, just two bikes built for us. Are they for sale? No.
Could we have built something identical to the old bikes? Absolutely, yes – but we realised we didn’t want to. “Why not?” is a bit more difficult to explain, but in a nutshell I didn’t need a replica because I already own and race an original KSI. For his part, Miles doesn’t really ‘get’ the whole nostalgia thing – he is more for looking forward not back, and he just wanted to build his son a special race bike.
The UK twinshock race rules are written to encourage ‘bums on seats’ – the only requirements being two shocks, air cooled, drum brakes and no USD forks. That may not be vintage pure, but it sure as hell works and importantly it is easy to police. The effect is that - alongside the period perfect stuff that some people prefer - there are some interesting specials out there racing. They say that variety is the spice of life but if that upsets you, just head over to Belgium where they allow 50mm forks, Keihin FCR carbs and all sorts of other stuff that will really blow your fuse. They do have good beer though. Maybe the two are linked.
This bike is nothing more than an air cooled trail bike engine in a steel tube frame with twin shocks, early 80s forks and drum brakes. It doesn’t look vintage because we didn’t want it to. We just wanted to do something with that simple race formula and the engine and chassis are awash with trick bits that the photos don’t show. We chose to squeeze a 500 engine out of a 350 base just because it was a more interesting path than using an XR500 motor [yes, a 500 fits].
So there you have it. Not a show or concept bike built to advertise something, not a prototype, not a replica. It wasn’t intentionally built as art, or to provoke debate as some have suggested. It’s just a fun dirt bike project built by a couple of old sods with Castrol R in their veins. That said, the reaction since it was revealed on Saturday has been mindblowingly positive and we are a bit shocked to be honest.
Now, if you’ll kindly excuse me I need to finish building the bloody thing and then go plaster it with mud!
Race safely.
Dick Tett.
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Guys, thanks for all the comments on the new bike, I thought you may like to know the background first hand.
Firstly, it is not a Faber project. It has been a weekend hobby engineering project between me and a mate who happens to be one of the Faber partners, Miles Webb. It helps somewhat that the bloke’s a genius with a brazing torch. Miles and Ralph Rustell built the original KSI frames for Knobby Shop – if you ever see one, the RW stamped on the headstock stands for Rustell Webb.
Second, there aren’t any production plans, just two bikes built for us. Are they for sale? No.
Could we have built something identical to the old bikes? Absolutely, yes – but we realised we didn’t want to. “Why not?” is a bit more difficult to explain, but in a nutshell I didn’t need a replica because I already own and race an original KSI. For his part, Miles doesn’t really ‘get’ the whole nostalgia thing – he is more for looking forward not back, and he just wanted to build his son a special race bike.
The UK twinshock race rules are written to encourage ‘bums on seats’ – the only requirements being two shocks, air cooled, drum brakes and no USD forks. That may not be vintage pure, but it sure as hell works and importantly it is easy to police. The effect is that - alongside the period perfect stuff that some people prefer - there are some interesting specials out there racing. They say that variety is the spice of life but if that upsets you, just head over to Belgium where they allow 50mm forks, Keihin FCR carbs and all sorts of other stuff that will really blow your fuse. They do have good beer though. Maybe the two are linked.
This bike is nothing more than an air cooled trail bike engine in a steel tube frame with twin shocks, early 80s forks and drum brakes. It doesn’t look vintage because we didn’t want it to. We just wanted to do something with that simple race formula and the engine and chassis are awash with trick bits that the photos don’t show. We chose to squeeze a 500 engine out of a 350 base just because it was a more interesting path than using an XR500 motor [yes, a 500 fits].
So there you have it. Not a show or concept bike built to advertise something, not a prototype, not a replica. It wasn’t intentionally built as art, or to provoke debate as some have suggested. It’s just a fun dirt bike project built by a couple of old sods with Castrol R in their veins. That said, the reaction since it was revealed on Saturday has been mindblowingly positive and we are a bit shocked to be honest.
Now, if you’ll kindly excuse me I need to finish building the bloody thing and then go plaster it with mud!
Race safely.
Dick Tett.
Hey Dick,
Great bike, great concept and all done for the right reasons [for fun & because you can].
Bloody fantastic, I hope it goes as good as it looks.
VMX42
…and bums on seats is far more important that period authenticity [IMHO].
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In a way it's no different to the Cheney BSA's being made now with deeper, longer seats that run right up to the lowered tanks.
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Hey Dick,
One question: can give me some more info on the rear hub/brake? Looks very trick…
VMX42
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…and bums on seats is far more important that period authenticity [IMHO].
You're being cheeky now Jeff.....I shuddered when Dick mentioned those pesky Belgians, knowing you'd throw some burley in the water. ;D
Other than that little philosophical difference, I couldn't agree more with Dicks reasoning behind his beautiful creation. I love folks who venture outside of the red, yellow and white plastic circle.
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So Dick, you own an original KSI, AND this replica? You lucky, lucky bastard. We will of course look forward to the video of it getting plastered with mud!
By the way MarcFX, I like your replica a lot too.
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Phwoar! That tank is a work of art.
(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/newksithumper.jpg)
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You're being cheeky now Jeff.....I shuddered when Dick mentioned those pesky Belgians, knowing you'd throw some burley in the water. ;D
But at least I never mentioned those crazy Dutchmen. ;)
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By the way MarcFX, I like your replica a lot too.
Hi Graeme, my budget XL250s was built for shits and giggles out of some old junker, I actually took my replica bike down from the post as it is embarrasment compared to the KSI modern or otherwise.
However I have a cunning plan to jig and reproduce a better tube frame version now I know where all the bits go and have the Cheney frame as well to copy. Stay tuned ;-0.
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By the way, the photo on here is constrained by my settings for the forum. It looks better here:
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/newksithumper.jpg
and the original KSI bike:
http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/oldksithumper.jpg
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heavy discussions on who the heck made this frame :o :P ;D..... and theyll have to track down a Kiwi to find out :D ;)
cheers A
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You know Kiwis Alison, pathological DIYers, KSIs, Mosquito Bombers it is all the same to us ;D
http://mosquitorestoration.com/gallery.shtml
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I'm interested in knowing what the bike chained to the original KSI bike is. The trellis swingarm looks trick.
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I'm interested in knowing what the bike chained to the original KSI bike is. The trellis swingarm looks trick.
Hey Canam,
I noticed that as well. What with all this detective work going on, we might have to rename this site…
VMX42
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Oh well, I guess that clears that up then! I suppose with all the roumours around "marketing deals" and reproducing Thumpers again for the last few years, a lot of people were hoping Faber would produce a replica. Maybe with all the interest Dick's new bike has attracted, Miles will just be tempted to go for it. It would be a shame if he didn't. He might even make some money doing it this time around ;D. As for Dick's new bike. As a one off "special" it's all about what the owner wants, and I can't think Dick would want any more with this one. In fact I think he should clear an extra bit of room in his garage for it by selling me his old one.
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I suppose with all the roumours around "marketing deals" and reproducing Thumpers again for the last few years, a lot of people were hoping Faber would produce a replica.
Too true, but I think there is room to improve on the original without loosing the plot. I built in detachable rear sub frame into my Mk1 version and flattened out the seat tank junction. Give you heaps more scope for decent airbox, exhaust that you can get at by removing the back end and looks nicer IMHO. Also of course the later twin port motors are much easier to find, I will do big bore 250 motor when I do the next frame.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/MarcsFrame012-1.jpg)
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If you were to take the new bike and fit the old tank and seat it completely transforms the look ;D.
Yes, we did it (photo? sorry, no) but that ultimately takes one back down the slippery slope to an exact replica - arguably, pointless.
As I tried to explain before, we just chose to move things on a bit more.
Had a call last night, from someone whose opinion I value, saying "Marty [Moates] would have loved that bike".
That'll do for me.
PS Marc - nice work. Creative in a different way.
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Phwoar! That tank is a work of art.
(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/newksithumper.jpg)
Having previously raced an Original KSI,I like this nothing wrong with building it just because you can,I'd race it in a heartbeat,
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I like the new KSI for the side panels alone, usually the Achillies heal of any 4 stroke special is dodgy looking side covers and no airbox.
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…from someone whose opinion I value
I hope you are not belittling our opinions there Dick? :D
It is common knowledge that the world at large waits to devour the wisdom brought forth on these pages. I thought a man of your stature would have realised that by now… ;)
…and I will ask again, where did the rear hub come from??
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oops, sorry guys no offence intended!
Rear hub is a fusion ;) of Talon billet, KTM magnesium drum and a one-off brake plate with outrigger bearing. Even the brake cam is a one-off.
Miles spent that long making the darned thing I lost the will to live. I used a bog stock RM370 hub on mine...
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oops, sorry guys no offence intended!
:D ;D :D
Rear hub is a fusion ;) of Talon billet, KTM magnesium drum and a one-off brake plate with outrigger bearing. Even the brake cam is a one-off.
I knew it looked trick, but boy does that sound like a lot of work!! I hope it works a good as it looks
Miles spent that long making the darned thing I lost the will to live.
;D
Thanks
VMX42
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Your a bit slow on the up take Jeffy......I picked the Talon hub on the first page. ;D
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Well, it runs ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dL4Td7awfI&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dL4Td7awfI&NR=1)
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It helps somewhat that the bloke’s a genius with a brazing torch.
Luckily I'm a genius with a 4" grinder with a sanding disc.
.... its like getting a piece of coal for Xmas.
Wait, what? You had Xmas and you got a piece of coal?
You Lucky bastard, we were so poor we slept in a hole in the road .....
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You found that hole that I dug to patch up the holes in the wall did you? Mixed with some red clay the asphault and dirt works a treat! Do you want to know where I will dig the next one to save the trouble of looking for a good one? Hate to see people wandering around homeless/holeless! I already told KSI/Dick so that he could keep his new bike out of it! Don't want to get it dirty without just cause!
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You found that hole that I dug to patch up the holes in the wall did you? Do you want to know where I will dig the next one to save the trouble of looking for a good one?
Capitalist prick.
Hmm suppose I better add a smiley since no one seems to understand dry wit anymore, well half of it anyway ..
;D, there.
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Socialist Swine!!
Want a job for $2 an hour? It is what I pay the other hole diggers and you wouldn't want to make them envious if I paid you more would you?
always plenty of holes to dig! Someday the world will be one big VMX track!!! Got to connect the whoop-de-doos you know!! ;D
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Hmm suppose I better add a smiley since no one seems to understand dry wit anymore, well half of it anyway ..
;D, there.
Not wrong.
Sounds like a heap of fun. :)
Dare I mention the food ;D
Yup, Maccas and KFC are shit but you can go to the Chinese restaurants if you want and get world famous Sichuan spicy food (some people recognize Szechuan).
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=sichuan%20food&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=800&bih=509
I,me still a bit worried about the food and the place sounds a bit dangerous. ;D
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/offbeat/9463629/fast-growing-watermelons-explode/
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Well, it goes ;D it was by far and away the fastest four stroke off the line today. Second into the first turn twice but stacked it on the first lap in race one. Good start again in race two but faded towards the end. A good start for a new bike.
(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/newksi5.jpg)(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/newksi4.jpg)(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/newksi3.jpg)(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/newksi2.jpg)(http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/derekksi/newksi1.jpg)
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Way to go Dick! Now get your riding up to the level of the bike!! HA!HA! The bikes may be old and we may be old but we sure show it more than the bikes do!
Swiss
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Very nice.. i don't care what anyone says about the modern looking seat and different swingarm, that is a very cool bike :)
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I must admit i was originaly a knocker of the new KSI ::) but seeing it in its natural habitat doing what it does best it is very very cool 8) 8) 8)
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I think the level of build quality is in a class of its own, it looks like a factory built it which is unusual in a 4 stroke special. We will be building replicas of it in 20 years time ;D
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I love the look when they cut out every second cooling fin :-D
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I love the look when they cut out every second cooling fin :-D
I bet Dick didn't use a cold chisel to remove them like Clews did… ;D
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I love the look when they cut out every second cooling fin :-D
I bet Dick didn't use a cold chisel to remove them like Clews did…
Whoever did my Maico barrel used the time honoured grinder and pliers method. ::)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/maico%20metisse%20011.jpg)
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I love the look when they cut out every second cooling fin :-D
I bet Dick didn't use a cold chisel to remove them like Clews did…
Whoever did my Maico barrel used the time honoured grinder and pliers method. ::)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/maico%20metisse%20011.jpg)
Everytime I see this photo, all I can think of is a poorly fitting toupe!! :D Or Leonard Teals hat… :D
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Don't be rude..one day you'll see that even the ugliest of frogs can turn into a handsome prince if you use enough spanners and hacksaw blades. ;)
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Don't be rude..one day you'll see that even the ugliest of frogs can turn into a handsome prince if you use enough spanners and hacksaw blades. ;)
I will wait with baited breath to see the outcome… ;)