OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: motomaniac on June 25, 2010, 10:19:43 pm
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Australia gets the first MXGP may nextyear -to be held at Broadford!
http://moto.mpora.com/news/2011-provisional-gp-dates.html
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Yeah that's good news... it's been a while!
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Is there a VMX class? ;D
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Yeah that's good news... it's been a while!
sorry but Im not jumping for joy.I wondered and asked the question about the venue before it was confirmed.
I can't believe that its at Broadford.After seeing a few US outdoor nationals and plenty of GP's in Europe Broadford to me is a joke and an embarrasment. I would have traveled interstate to see a GP at Coolum or Manjimump or anywhere but that shithole.
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I attended the previous two GPs a decade ago and loved them but we've come a long way since then. In 2011 Broadford just isn't good enough any more. Barrabool would be fantastic but sadly, it ain't going to happen.
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After the way the 2010 vmx nats were allocated it would be a surprise if it was anywhere else... ::)
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Yeah that's good news... it's been a while!
sorry but Im not jumping for joy.I wondered and asked the question about the venue before it was confirmed.
I can't believe that its at Broadford.After seeing a few US outdoor nationals and plenty of GP's in Europe Broadford to me is a joke and an embarrasment. I would have traveled interstate to see a GP at Coolum or Manjimump or anywhere but that shithole.
Coolum,would not be GP worthy Manjimump would,I would have thought that Barabool would have made a great GP track but I think you will find that the track itself is less important than the facilities needed for the GP's these days,
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MA will have to pour a shit load of money into Broadford to bring it up to scratch. It is embarrassing to think of state of the showers at Broadford, let alone the track. Looks like licence fees will be going up...again.
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A disappointment, the facilities at broadford are a disgrace, toilet, showers, 3rd world buildings, l am ashamed.
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It is truly stunning that MA and MVIC continue to shovel money into Broadford, year after year, without apparently having to justify it to anyone.
And it appears this same situation is now happening with Barrabool as well.
Is it just a coincidence that the head office of MA is in the State of Victoria and that also happens to be where two major motorcycle complexes are owned by the regulatory bodies? ::)
I am sure glad that I do not race or have to pay MA fees any longer. ;)
Having said all of that, having the MXGP in Australia again is a good thing, but I'd rather have a round of the US AMA MX Championship, so that the Aussies racing overseas would get a chance to race at home. ;D
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What a bunch of forkwits, I too went to both GP's years ago and having just done the VMX nats there, what a disgrace....they treated us like second rate citizens. I wonder how much of OUR money they will pour into this?. Why not build a new track at Phillip Island?, would have to be cheaper as all the facility's are there already OR just do it at Conondale!! ;D.....commonsense if you ask me.....but then nobody is..... wheres Nathan.......
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i was wondering how long it would take for that word to appear?
Conondale!!
it's almost like the bars been set for what the punters want.
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Coolum,would not be GP worthy
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Why not ??? ??? It has been holding some of the most prestigious National MX events for years. I tink a GP would be childs play, after putting on the Junior Nats for years.
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It is truly stunning that MA and MVIC continue to shovel money into Broadford, year after year, without apparently having to justify it to anyone.
And it appears this same situation is now happening with Barrabool as well.
Is it just a coincidence that the head office of MA is in the State of Victoria and that also happens to be where two major motorcycle complexes are owned by the regulatory bodies? ::)
I am sure glad that I do not race or have to pay MA fees any longer. ;)
Having said all of that, having the MXGP in Australia again is a good thing, but I'd rather have a round of the US AMA MX Championship, so that the Aussies racing overseas would get a chance to race at home. ;D
Most of the money that has gone into building Broadford has come from 3 sources.
Huge Donations from a small group of Vic clubs (Harley, Preston, Newport Braybrook etc)
Fundraising and donations from licence holders and raffles etc (thats how the road race cct was funded)
Grants from the Vic state govt thanks to tireless lobbying from a small group of MA Vic members
A lot of people have put years of blood sweat and cash in to make Broadford happen, it pisses me off reading of suggestions on this forum all the time of how everyones licence fees are being diverted to prop up Broadford...its a load of shit.
The only coincidence is that Broadford is in the same same state as a group of peolpe (normal club members not MA or MAV officials) who have worked their arse of to build and fund the place
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Well said Mick22, You'll always get the serial whingers, makes you wonder if its because Victoria have another Major Sporting Event.
Ken & Dawn Baker
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Coolum,would not be GP worthy
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Why not ??? ??? It has been holding some of the most prestigious National MX events for years. I tink a GP would be childs play, after putting on the Junior Nats for years.
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I "tink" your dreamin Coolum would go no where near being GP worthy the National events that have been run there is more to do with the club wanting the events,the track is not the reason that the National events are held there and even at National level it leaves a lot to be desired as far as well set out tracks go,
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YAY! Fuggin' beauty! Those guys are so big they don't give a rat's about showers or parking. I know people were a little put off by some ruts and a bit of mud at the VMX Nationals but I think World Class riders (not in their own heads) would probably do ok with that sort of thing.
Happy days are here again. Good on 'ya MA!.... :D
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Well m22, why the hell did MA buy Barrabool, that Million plus dollars could have been well spent on upgrading the Facilities at Broadford, If your so dam proud of it. the road racing facilities are a big improvement, but the rest is thumbs down.
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Isn't Broadford owned by Ma?
Unless I was in an alternate universe, the Broadford I went to a couple of months ago was in poor condition. Are they going to leave it in that condition for the world to see?
If not, where would the money come from to bring it up to scratch?
You'll always get the serial whingers, makes you wonder if its because Victoria have another Major Sporting Event.
You're right on the money there. ::)
OR, its because its a shit hole and needs heaps of money thrown at it to bring it up to scratch.
I don't think as it stands, there is a complex that is capable of holding a GP as professional as other parts of the world. Broadford has the most potential having power, water, bike washers and crowd control barriers etc there.
So will there be a $2 raffle going to raise the $100k it needs to bring it up to scratch?
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Maybe Conondale. Or the Parwan Motocross Training Facility (they do Dunger Dawgs). Or....
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To the old men whinging about the track, do yourself a favour & have a reality check or buy a ticket to go to a US National or a World MX GP or even buy a DVD. Might cost you $10.00 for the DVD or if you cant afford $10.00 then go on You Tube. I've been there & believe me, Broadford is a walk in the park for Top MX Riders. I worked at both GP's at Broadford & Joel Smets thought the track was OK as I spoke to him after the race. Sharkey & Byner led that GP for ages until Smets tracked them down, what a fantastic race & what about Chad's charge on the KX 250. Spoke to Chad at Glen Helen in 2004 about that race & he didnt have a problem with the track. Once again, these guys are top professionals in the MX world, ruts, rocks & mud dont seem to bother them. Something else to consider, ok, the track might not suit you, but you're probably an old guy on an old bike that doesnt have the suspension or the ability that super fit professional have, also, can you point to a venue that's 30mins from Australia's 2nd largest city thats approaching 4 million people, 5 mins from a national hwy, endless accommodation in the city & if MA would supply a sub standard track for a world championship event, which would be overseen by the world GP authority FIM, you must be living in a very small cloud or a different universe. Get positive & not negative. If you can come up with a better venue that could accommodate 20,000 + people let MA know. In the hey day of Mr Motocross, Broadford use to cater for 10,000 + easily back in the day.
Ken Baker
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You know if MA gets this event for say the next 4 to 5 years ,imagine the money they can make out of it to upgrade track and facilities and maybe after only 2 or 3 years they may have made enough money to give it to another track to run and they can also do well out of it.
At the end of the day it's all about money and Just the location of Broadford will always draw a big crowd for a big event every time so i am for it.
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Unfortunately, while the acquiring of the Broadford facility by MVIC may have been due to a lot of good work by the people that Mick22 mentioned (and good upon them for doing so), the underlying issue is that I doubt seriously that it turns a profit for MVIC on an ongoing basis.
This in turn means that there is a strong desire by MVIC and as a consequence, MA to divert more and more events to be run at Broadford, regardless of whether it is the best facility in the country for those events, so that they can try to reoup some money for the facility.
An example of this would be the recent pairing of the Vintage Nationals with the HBBB.
I think it would be extremely interesting indeed for the balance sheets for the combined events to be made available to MA/MVIC members, as I seriously doubt that any money was made, indeed I believe they must have run these events at a loss. After all, they employed Peter Drakeford for at least half a year to organise then events, flew in Gary Jones for nearly two weeks and yet only had a bit over 100 dirt riders. I would also be pretty sure that the road part of the HBBB would not have made so much money that it can overcome the losses on the dirt part.
Similarly, the Vintage nationals were very poorly attended, in comparison to the event held the previous year in QLD.
Why? Part of that reason would probably be because people didn't want to go to Broadford in the first instance (even many Victorians).
So call me names if you like, but the fact remains that there probably are better places in Australia to run an MXGP, but my perception is that they don't get a look in most instances.
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Here here AJ, I think the reason its there is because as we all know, the Mexicans dont travel well. I'm sure MA could come up with a better track but they wont. Half the people at the last 2 GP's where from out of Victoria, I'm sure any other state would do the same if not a better job but when the blinkers are on...... I think that the lack of events at Broadford is because everybody in Vic knows it's a shithole of a track so it's the last place they would want to have a meeting at when they have some GREAT tracks to ride elsewhere.... Now before you Mehicans get on your high horse, think about it...I spoke to quite a few of your brothers down at the VMX nats and they all said it has always been a SHITHOLE....the ground that its made on is just fugged so it doesnt matter what they do to it every time it RAINS it just washes away.... like burning $100 notes....remember there is a sewarge treatment plant (or something similar) next door....lovely smell....hey Geoff, better start building our acommodation at the Princapality of Morris (mate, you've gotta get a better computer setup...I know you will be reading this next week)...The banana benders are on there way, 3 star will be OK.....but if you want to make it 5, thats OK too. Muchos gracios amegos....areva, areva, adious amegos.....long live the alimo!!!
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The GP is in May it will be wet, soft and soggy
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Or you could wait 5 minutes, bound to change... :D
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Isn't Broadford owned by Ma?
So will there be a $2 raffle going to raise the $100k it needs to bring it up to scratch?
Broadford is mainly owned by MVIC, some of the land is owned by Harley MCC.
The funding for the upgrades will come from the Vic State Govt. If anyone remembers the state of repair Broadford MX track before the World champs 10 years ago...it was really bad but the govt chipped in and brought it up to spec for the FIM, same will happen this time.
I know its not the best track in oz but unless another state govt puts up the dollars, I can't see it going anywhere else.
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To the old men whinging about the track, do yourself a favour & have a reality check or buy a ticket to go to a US National or a World MX GP or even buy a DVD. Might cost you $10.00 for the DVD or if you cant afford $10.00 then go on You Tube. I've been there & believe me, Broadford is a walk in the park for Top MX Riders. I worked at both GP's at Broadford & Joel Smets thought the track was OK as I spoke to him after the race. Sharkey & Byner led that GP for ages until Smets tracked them down, what a fantastic race & what about Chad's charge on the KX 250. Spoke to Chad at Glen Helen in 2004 about that race & he didnt have a problem with the track. Once again, these guys are top professionals in the MX world, ruts, rocks & mud dont seem to bother them. Something else to consider, ok, the track might not suit you, but you're probably an old guy on an old bike that doesnt have the suspension or the ability that super fit professional have, also, can you point to a venue that's 30mins from Australia's 2nd largest city thats approaching 4 million people, 5 mins from a national hwy, endless accommodation in the city & if MA would supply a sub standard track for a world championship event, which would be overseen by the world GP authority FIM, you must be living in a very small cloud or a different universe. Get positive & not negative. If you can come up with a better venue that could accommodate 20,000 + people let MA know. In the hey day of Mr Motocross, Broadford use to cater for 10,000 + easily back in the day.
Ken Baker
No one has mentioned the track ( up to your post). Its the facilities. The place is run down. The track is fairly irrelevant . Those champions will ride on the moon well.
I will be there to support it as I was in 2001. All I said was the place as a whole is an embarrassment to be on a world stage. Heaps of money will be required to get it up to scratch.
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thats right 090, Mick22, Its the Toilet block and showers, bulldoze the lot and start fresh with new buildings, hop on a plane and fly to connondale the showers are simple and neat and brilliant to use, Toilets at broadford are terrible new brick building would look a lot better and workable, don`t just build one for thousands to use build two. There is no canteens to buy food and when it rain well say know more, come for a drive and have a look at the geelong gokart track the showers and toilet block, canteen are brilliant., if these poeple can do it Broadford can, they have been there a lot longer.
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the Mexicans dont travel well.
DC there are only a small minority of vmxers that do travel anywhere in aust to vmx events.For Vic to travel to Qld its like us heading up to the Pilbara for a skid around ..Its a long way.
hop on a plane and fly to connondale the showers are simple and neat and brilliant to use,
I don't believe we have any really great permanent sporting MX/GP/SX facility's in Aust.I'd like to know where that have permanent toilets/canteen/showers etc ? Don't get me wrong,Conondale is the best track in Aust we have visited,but with no camping the canteen/showers/toilets would not have coped at CD7 as also a GP would not cope.
cheers the female vmx247 ;)
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The funding for the upgrades will come from the Vic State Govt. If anyone remembers the state of repair Broadford MX track before the World champs 10 years ago...it was really bad but the govt chipped in and brought it up to spec for the FIM, same will happen this time.
I know its not the best track in oz but unless another state govt puts up the dollars, I can't see it going anywhere else.
The point being made here is that there was no visibility that MA had negotiations with other states AT ALL to see if they also would put up the money. As tends to be the case, these things often are just announced (as a fait accompli) by MA.
Who is to say that the now desparate NSW State government wouldn't have thrown millions at this event in the same way as they did for the V8 Supercar race in Homebush? I'm sure a venue would be easy to find - Picton comes to mind immediately and would potentially be an excellent venue. It also ticks ALL the same boxes as Broadford in terms of location and access to transport/larger city.
Similarly, the QLD State Goverment may also have been keen...
But we may never know if these Governments were even aware of the possibility. If someone can inform us that MA undertook detailed discussions with all states and VIC/Broadford was the winner, then I will stand corrected. It just doesn't look that way and past experience is that it's unlikely to have occurred.
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geez that just read like krudd and the corporate mining groups :-X
Consultation ::) not :(
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To the old men whinging about the track, do yourself a favour & have a reality check or buy a ticket to go to a US National or a World MX GP or even buy a DVD. Might cost you $10.00 for the DVD or if you cant afford $10.00 then go on You Tube. I've been there & believe me, Broadford is a walk in the park for Top MX Riders. I worked at both GP's at Broadford & Joel Smets thought the track was OK as I spoke to him after the race. Sharkey & Byner led that GP for ages until Smets tracked them down, what a fantastic race & what about Chad's charge on the KX 250.
Ken Baker
Been where? Why is Broadford a walk in the park?
Theres no doubt that local riders leading a GP held locally is a sight to see.The riders can make a great race on most any track.Joel Smets saying its OK isnt really a recommendation ,all (most) of those riders are smart and professional enough not to bag a track no matter what.
The FIM is the governing body but the running of the event and the series ,including individual track prep is handled by Youthstream.They will do what they see fit to Broadford but they can only do so much within the existing layout.The whole area of the track at Broadford would be lucky to be equal to much more than about a quarter of the US and GP tracks that Ive seen.In europe the tracks are a spectacle even before the racing starts.People turn up early set up camp and wonder around the whole track , or climb if its Namur,on the Friday.
Nationals are similar, don't know about Glen Helen but otherwise what is there about Broadford that you can compare with any national or GP track?
The location is the only thing that I can agree with.
Sorry Kenny boy but I just can't see it.
Brent
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The funding for the upgrades will come from the Vic State Govt. If anyone remembers the state of repair Broadford MX track before the World champs 10 years ago...it was really bad but the govt chipped in and brought it up to spec for the FIM, same will happen this time.
I know its not the best track in oz but unless another state govt puts up the dollars, I can't see it going anywhere else.
The point being made here is that there was no visibility that MA had negotiations with other states AT ALL to see if they also would put up the money. As tends to be the case, these things often are just announced (as a fait accompli) by MA.
Who is to say that the now desparate NSW State government wouldn't have thrown millions at this event in the same way as they did for the V8 Supercar race in Homebush? I'm sure a venue would be easy to find - Picton comes to mind immediately and would potentially be an excellent venue. It also ticks ALL the same boxes as Broadford in terms of location and access to transport/larger city.
Similarly, the QLD State Goverment may also have been keen...
But we may never know if these Governments were even aware of the possibility. If someone can inform us that MA undertook detailed discussions with all states and VIC/Broadford was the winner, then I will stand corrected. It just doesn't look that way and past experience is that it's unlikely to have occurred.
its apretty safe bet that you won't be corrected Ajay.
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This is the thing, it's OUR sport and yet MA see fit to do as they please....throwing money at Broadford is just throwing it away...why not put the money into a place that can be permanent, meets all the criterior AND clubs would want to use all the time, surely a better investment of our money...and it is OUR money!. Phillip Island gets the biggies and yet that is owned by Lindsay Fox isn't it? All the money they throw at Broadford is a waste as after the GP nobody will use it again (doesnt look like they have spent money on it since the 2001 GP ) It is a shithole and always will be a shithole...even if they throw $300K at it, the first time it rains it's rooted again (and thats not just the track), are they going to tarseal or concrete the pits? I dont think so...they should put it up for auction to the state with the highest bid and best plans....including the future so they will want to have a GP in Australia every year!!!. Create history!!!
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Is there a VMX class? ;D
(including FIM Veterans’ World Cup, Monster Energy FIM Motocross of Nations, UEM EMX 125 European Championship) ;D
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I havent been to any tracks for quite A few years,but what about Echo Valley? Best track i've ridden on (in my humble opinion)
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you need to get out more and ride some southern dirt
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Let's get a couple of things very clear.
1. The Broadford complex is owned by Motorcycling Victoria.
2. Motorcycling Australia has no financial involvement in this complex, and does not put licence fee money toward the complex.
3. Motorcycling Australia pays the same hire fees at Broadford as any other promoter.
4. Motorcycling Australia and Motorcycling Victoria are two separate and different bodies.
5. Motorcycling Australia hires Broadford for the annual HBBB because of the lay out of the venue. This event possibly would move to other (interstate)venues if they could offer the same facilities, tracks, etc.
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Let's get a couple of things very clear.
1. The Broadford complex is owned by Motorcycling Victoria.
2. Motorcycling Australia has no financial involvement in this complex, and does not put licence fee money toward the complex.
3. Motorcycling Australia pays the same hire fees at Broadford as any other promoter.
4. Motorcycling Australia and Motorcycling Victoria are two separate and different bodies.
C'mon Mr Crocket. Get stuck in.....
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ALLBRIT, WE KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT.
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ALLBRIT, WE KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT.
David#46 you might know all about that but going by a lot of other comments on here a lot of guys don't seem to have an understanding of the relationship between MA and MVIC let alone where Broadford fits in to the picture
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David#46 you might know all about that but going by a lot of other comments on here a lot of guys don't seem to have an understanding of the relationship between MA and MVIC let alone where Broadford fits in to the picture
I certainly DO have an understanding of their realtionship, having been involved with both MA and MVIC in relation to hiring Broadford a few years ago.
I can tell you that the relationship (while in theory completely independant) is very "close and supportive" ;)
I think it would be completely fair to say that MA does not promote the use of say, QLD based facilities as strongly as they do Broadford.
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I think it would be completely fair to say that MA does not promote the use of say, QLD based facilities as strongly as they do Broadford.
I wouldn't argue with that :)
Broadford does seem to be the default location for MA at the moment. And if Connondale is the best MX track in OZ thats where the GP should be.
I don't claim to have any knowledge of how FIM dishes out championship rounds but I would expect that to be successful to get a round MA or anyone else would have to show that they have a venue and funding or some sort of business plan up front. Its probably the case that because there is already a venue and funding in place that is what they have gone with.
I think for it to go anywhere else it has to start from the ground level up. A track owner or SCB has to come up with a plan and money and approach MA to get the round. I do't think its realistic to expect it to happen the other way around - whether its fair or not...
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Mick22, I understand, my beef is not with you or anybody on this forum, l am expressing my feelings about broadford, where does all the money go, and state goverment funds go, l see that they sent a lot of money on roads from entry to roadracing complex. now MA own barrabool, wouldn`t you think MA would start to promote Barrabool and move away from Broadford and leave Broadford to the hands of MA/VIC, ITS THEIR BABY. or if Barrabool is not up to speed to hold a world series of motocross, then they should look at calder or Philip iland, other states maybe, Years ago l was promoting vintage motocross, and l was approached by the Grand prix corparation to run a vintage motocross meeting at Philip iland, MA is a lot bigger then me, why don`t they just get of their tunnel vision arse and sit down with these managers and make it happen, talk with channel 10 manager too.
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I don't think Broadford is a bad track to ride on, in fact, it's good when it's all groomed & ready to go. However, the general feel of the place just doesn't scream 'grand prix venue'. It just looks like a section of bush has been cleared and a track was built there.
Barrabool is a spectacular venue to the eye when it's in full race mode. The natural amphitheatre that the track sits in just makes it look like a showpiece. The long version of the track is unique. Josh Coppins commented the first time he rode it that he doesn't get his bike wound out to those speeds anywhere else in the world (in reference to 'Skyline', the back straight).
I really hope that all the crap with the council & nearby residents gets sorted out so they can look at using it properly. It would be a great GP venue.
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Barrabool is a spectacular venue to the eye when it's in full race mode. The natural amphitheatre that the track sits in just makes it look like a showpiece. The long version of the track is unique. Josh Coppins commented the first time he rode it that he doesn't get his bike wound out to those speeds anywhere else in the world (in reference to 'Skyline', the back straight)
The reason he doesn't get wound out like that anywhere in the world is because he mostly races the GP's that are promoted by YouthStream and they alter the tracks to their own liking.They would do the same to Barrabool. For example they cut the lenght of the track at Valkenswald, for the GP's the big straights are not used.Then after the GP the track is changed back to its old style for Dutch national events.
But yes Barrabool is much more scenic - not much infrastructure though.
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It's funny most of what I have seen is about the fact that broadford is so bad, not the fact we have round of the MxGP in Australia. Lets just enjoy the fact we have the chance to watch it next year in our own country. I for one is grovelling badly to she who will be obeyed for the chance to go and watch!!
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Yes, we are very happy and excited about having a world series here in Australia, its where they are holding this world series, that the main issue Tossa
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Like D D D David said, everybody is rapped that we are having a GP, it's just the place there having it at....obviously alot of moolla has to be spent to upgrade the facility so why not do it somewhere better that will get used more frequently to get a return on the money spent. Also if you came up with a really good track it could put Australia on the map as a place they want to come too!!! Everybody knows the names of the famous tracks around the world and it pains me to say this but Broadford doesnt cut the mustard....and it smells....imagine the GP riders going home and the only thing they remember is the sewarge smell!!!
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Oh god, spare me please.
I think some of you guys have your bra straps up too tight causing too much angst.
Typically some one thinks that MAV have spent too much money on Broadford.
While others think they haven’t spent enough.
“MA don’t do anything for our sport”
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“Why is MA getting involved with our sport”
Or how about….
“The Nats ran at a loss, how dare they”
Or
They made a profit from the Nats, how dare they.
I don’t think you understand Davey, If we treated you like second class citizens is because we thought you were actually 3rd class citizens and we were trying to upgrade you. ;D
From what I heard the only proposal to run the Nats this year was WA which refused to run the post 75 events. Rather than having no Evo classes they encouraged Preston to run the event with all classes.
If their were no Evo classes this year I could see the same whingers complaining about MA not doing anything for our sport.
And with the support they got locally I wonder why they bothered.
The Broadford complex has been around since at least 76 with the first races that I know of in late 77. It’s been slowly growing over the years, and I believe the Road Race track does quite well.
Money well “wasted” in my opinion
The powers that be want lots of infrastructure at their tracks for the GP’s.
This isn’t necessarily what I believe in but it’s the way it is.
That’s why the pit sheds and other buildings were built for the earlier GP’s
So if MA have to fork out for buildings then naturally they will do it for their own track, otherwise it would be accused of wasting “our” money if they built stuff on tracks owned by others.
So it doesn’t surprise me that they chose Broadford.
I agree Barrabool would make a better GP track and I think it’s great that they “wasted our money” by buying it, but its early days down their, if they can sort the locals out then it could easily grow into a great complex.
The main problem with the Broadford MX track that I see is that it’s been forced into too small an area and it twists & turns back on itself too often.
And with the Mini bike parent influence that seems to have come in it’s hard to get changes made for the better as I believe the wrong track designers have too much influence now.
One good thing about the GP being there is the track will be upgraded to better specs. The first GP’s their forced the removal of the truck tyres from the trackside, something that the Mini bike brigade kept moving onto the track to force their little Johny to take the right lines, but they were very unforgiving if you hit them.
Next election I think I will vote Conondale for Prime Minister
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It's funny most of what I have seen is about the fact that broadford is so bad, not the fact we have round of the MxGP in Australia.
Too true! I'll be there enjoying it! Sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me.... ;)
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Arrrrh Geoffro, I wondered when the computer would fire up with some more herb's in it.....now I'm sure the roadrace circut at B/ford makes a pretty penny, but......where not tar scidders (I know I've spelt that wrong)and the Preston club I'm sure wouldnt want to waste their money on a track that doesnt get used very often.......does anybody know how many times a year it actually gets used and does it pay its way?. Look at the great stadiums around Australia....MCG, Suncorp stadium, SCG, etc, etc, why dont MA do something that will last and we will be proud of....seems to me that most of the money MA collects is from MX people and yet most of the money MA spends is for Roadracing....I'm I wrong, and/or talking out of my arse....slow down...dont all shoot me down at once ;D yours faithfully....Davey Crocket
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Look at the great stadiums around Australia....MCG, Suncorp stadium, SCG, etc, etc, why dont MA do something that will last and we will be proud of…
That just might be the reality of spending $500,000,000.00 on a venue that wouldn't attract 30,000 people over a calendar year.
I would love to be at the meeting when they approve that spending…
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Hopefully their silly/brave enough to do it ;D
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Good on you Davey, l am with you. I will say this, if MA are going to use Barrabool, they need to focus their efforts towards it, if they don`t the sporting club will be pi==ssed off. they have battled hard to save that track, and MA jumping in, l hope MA live up to their expectation., to make barrabool a sporting complex like Philip island.
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I don't think anyone has given the thumbs down to a GP being held in Oz. Even if you read in between Davey's rants/ wind ups, the complex as it stands needs big dollars spent on it. The track is the easiest part to sort out. At the end of the day, it will have to meet some sort of criteria I would think to be able to have the event. I would also think that there would have been a guarantee that Broadford would be up to standard for the event.
Broadford IS the logical choice to hold one, but will need big bucks thrown at it as it is very run down. I said before I will be there to watch/ support. It was quite amazing how many people I knew at the last one at the time, but now I realise that Queenslanders are really fond of everything they like!
Sour grapes Because you have an mxgp? Come on now, that was a waste of a post. Its only a short plane ride and a hire car away. Nice little weekend away. That might be the difference in mind set we have as opposed to yours.
So... where WILL the money come from to upgrade????
Look at the great stadiums around Australia....MCG, Suncorp stadium, SCG, etc, etc, why dont MA do something that will last and we will be proud of…
That just might be the reality of spending $500,000,000.00 on a venue that wouldn't attract 30,000 people over a calendar year.
I would love to be at the meeting when they approve that spending…
Tell him he's dreamin' ::)
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Dreams do come true!!! ;D
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Yup. Sour grapes. Oozing with them......
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F*ck I'm getting a little tired of this Broadford bashing shit. I think that it's a given that there are better tracks to run the event but what's the point of going through this endless MA/Broadford bashing exercise every time Broadford comes on the radar? I personally wish it was being held 2k up the road from my place at Eastern Creek but it's not, it's at Broadford so get over the shock and horror of it not being at Conondale/Barrabool/ANZ Stadium and either support the event by attending or read about it in ADB a month later.
I'll be there with my good 'ol boy mates enjoying the event for what it is....an opportunity to see the best motocross our country can offer up.
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F*ck I'm getting a little tired of this Broadford bashing shit. I think that it's a given that there are better tracks to run the event but what's the point of going through this endless MA/Broadford bashing exercise every time Broadford comes on the radar? I personally wish it was being held 2k up the road from my place at Eastern Creek but it's not, it's at Broadford so get over the shock and horror of it not being at Conondale/Barrabool/ANZ Stadium and either support the event by attending or read about it in ADB a month later.
I'll be there with my good 'ol boy mates enjoying the event for what it is....an opportunity to see the best motocross our country can offer up.
Be right next to you!!
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Yip, I three will be there. Broadford is Broadford. I drove past it yesterday and really the over riding feeling was it is great that we have this kind of permanent facility in Vic.
The first GP they had there was an absolute ripper. Very fond memories of MacFarland, Bryne, Kings and co giving it to the Euro's. Alloy frame YZM400's, hybrid CR500's, D. Kings at the time very trick Husky (developed by Everts before he had the big fall out with his manager) Smets/Kings KTM500's, works bikes, works bikes and more works bikes!!!
Then there was Firko, Bernie and co in the stand with us, drinking and talking BS until the cows were well and truly home. In fact thats how the Suzuki43 and I found out about vintage MX and ultimately sold our WR400's and brought the RM's we aspired to have as kids.
Yes it will be hard to top that one but I am ever optimistic and I will try (except this time I will avoid the chapel street bars/mega race day hang-over)!
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I'm with 090 and Firko. It it actually happens I will be there and have a great time. Spending my days watching some great racing and then retiring to the Yea Hotel for a few cold ones and a great meal.
Can't see the problem really [better than working].
VMX42
Just one thing though, when did it suddenly become a necessity for motocross to be held in a 'World Class Facility'. Some of my best racing memories and most enjoyable days have been spent in the middle of nowhere. All you need is a great track and quality riders - pure gold! Toughen up guys, it's is MOTOCROSS not lawn bowls. ;)
Remember if we make it too easy and comfortable to attend we have to put up with all the blow-ins and newbies. I say keep it for the diehards and the trendies can find something else to tattoo on their bodies. :D
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Accommodation booked! Air flights will be booked as soon as it's officially announced. Ah, I love it....the 'good 'ol boys' on the road again. ;D
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Accommodation booked! Air flights will be booked as soon as it's officially announced. Ah, I love it....the 'good 'ol boys' on the road again. ;D
Hope you got bunk beds Firko as me and Sir Brad will want to be there ;)
Brad I bags top bunk ;D
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…the 'good 'ol boys' on the road again. ;D
At 30,000 feet!
The road trip is half the fun. All the time to build the anticipation and then 'punters post-mortem' all the way home. Come on Firko, you and the Good Ole Boys must be gettin' soft! :o
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Barrabool is a spectacular venue to the eye when it's in full race mode. The natural amphitheatre that the track sits in just makes it look like a showpiece. The long version of the track is unique. Josh Coppins commented the first time he rode it that he doesn't get his bike wound out to those speeds anywhere else in the world (in reference to 'Skyline', the back straight)
The reason he doesn't get wound out like that anywhere in the world is because he mostly races the GP's that are promoted by YouthStream and they alter the tracks to their own liking.They would do the same to Barrabool. For example they cut the lenght of the track at Valkenswald, for the GP's the big straights are not used.Then after the GP the track is changed back to its old style for Dutch national events.
But yes Barrabool is much more scenic - not much infrastructure though.
Cutting the straights out of Valkenswaard would be the same reason for modifying Barrabool. The track average speed would be too high, so the FIM track inspector would have to slow it down. It has to be under a 50 or 55km/h average (can't find the exact figures) for a GP. Pulling a buck twenty on the back straight would kill those sorts of numbers.
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VMX42
Just one thing though, when did it suddenly become a necessity for motocross to be held in a 'World Class Facility'. Some of my best racing memories and most enjoyable days have been spent in the middle of nowhere. All you need is a great track and quality riders - pure gold! Toughen up guys, it's is MOTOCROSS not lawn bowls. ;)
Remember if we make it too easy and comfortable to attend we have to put up with all the blow-ins and newbies. I say keep it for the diehards and the trendies can find something else to tattoo on their bodies. :D
[/quote] So true 42 ! a bit off track but there's a bit of footage in either"one chance to win"or" legacy of motocross" of Heikki "the wolf", mud from a--hole to breakfast , snot running out of him ,that epitomize's the motocrosser (of old anyway) their anywhere -anytime attitude ;) don't let the wowser's take over our sport,which may be a bit of an ask ! i would'nt hesitate going to any GP and having a ball doing it ;D
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Barrabool is a spectacular venue to the eye when it's in full race mode. The natural amphitheatre that the track sits in just makes it look like a showpiece. The long version of the track is unique. Josh Coppins commented the first time he rode it that he doesn't get his bike wound out to those speeds anywhere else in the world (in reference to 'Skyline', the back straight)
The reason he doesn't get wound out like that anywhere in the world is because he mostly races the GP's that are promoted by YouthStream and they alter the tracks to their own liking.They would do the same to Barrabool. For example they cut the lenght of the track at Valkenswald, for the GP's the big straights are not used.Then after the GP the track is changed back to its old style for Dutch national events.
But yes Barrabool is much more scenic - not much infrastructure though.
Cutting the straights out of Valkenswaard would be the same reason for modifying Barrabool. The track average speed would be too high, so the FIM track inspector would have to slow it down. It has to be under a 50 or 55km/h average (can't find the exact figures) for a GP. Pulling a buck twenty on the back straight would kill those sorts of numbers.
and so it would be the same at Barrabool- no wound flat out more than any other track , that you mentioned.
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http://www.fullnoise.com.au/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_full&news_id=8100&Ntitle=Motocross%3A%20Motorcycling%20Victoria%20issue%20statement%20over%202011%20MXGP&cfid=1196076&cftoken=69564994&dts=19720103674
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I spoke to a friend in Belgium last week who works at the MXGP's, the word is that Broadford won't get the GP and there probably won't be one in Australia at this stage.
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Motorcycling Victoria (MV) has issued a statment regarding the release of the Provisional 2011 FIM World Motocross Championship schedule on which Australia was listed as the opneing round.
The statement read, "As a result of the FIM releasing its 2011 Provisional Calendars, there has been a lot of conjecture suggesting that Victoria, via Broadford will host a round of the FIM Motocross World Championship next year.
"Motorcycling Victoria (MV) would like to state on the record, that there are no signed or official commitments to host a Championship round in 2011.
"We are currently in negotiations to see if the hosting of such an event could become a reality, but as of yet, have nothing concrete to report.
"Should this situation change, and when further information becomes available, we will certainly let everyone know, but for now there is nothing further to be added.
"MV will continue to work in the best interests of the sport in this State, and indeed, for the benefit of motorcycling in Australia," the statment concluded.
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Shit, we can get it at Conondale now, them little Euro people at the FIM must have spies reading this forum and realized Broadford's a shithole.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ;D ;D ;D ;D....I'll start runnin now.....adi'os amigos.....beeb beeb.
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I spoke to a friend in Belgium last week who works at the MXGP's, the word is that Broadford won't get the GP and there probably won't be one in Australia at this stage.
It was never gunna happen unless the state gov chipped in the pay Mr Luogo his huge fee.
Apparently any sponsorship attracted for the event aslo go's 50/50 between the local promoter and Mr Luongos youthstream.Thats the deal .
I wouldn't be holding my breath.
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Quote from: firko on June 29, 2010, 10:08:08 AM
F*ck I'm getting a little tired of this Broadford bashing shit. I think that it's a given that there are better tracks to run the event but what's the point of going through this endless MA/Broadford bashing exercise every time Broadford comes on the radar? I personally wish it was being held 2k up the road from my place at Eastern Creek but it's not, it's at Broadford so get over the shock and horror of it not being at Conondale/Barrabool/ANZ Stadium and either support the event by attending or read about it in ADB a month later.
I'll be there with my good 'ol boy mates enjoying the event for what it is....an opportunity to see the best motocross our country can offer up.
Be right next to you!!
Me too And maybe room at my place for some if wanted. I am only 90Kms away. Cheers Tim
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l feel the same way, just be their and soak it all up, and watch the best motocrossers in the world at this present stage of our lives, In my eye the best guns have been and gone era 1972 onwards.
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It's going to be pretty lonely there by yourselves.. :)