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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: juzze on October 08, 2009, 06:01:09 pm
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Hi does any one know if pre 90 will ever be run in nsw ive heard it is run in qld and victoria im not sure if thats correct but.
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Its just a nasty rumour!
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I don't know. (actually I don't know anything)I'm here because I'm looking at Hornet's profile image. ::)
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the truth is that Pre '90 is inevitable in N.S.W., just a matter of who, where and when, 3 questions I don't have an answer to. Be patient Luke and the power will be with you
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I don't know. (actually I don't know anything)I'm here because I'm looking at Hornet's profile image. ::)
utter smut ;) ;D
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Hi does any one know if pre 90 will ever be run in nsw ive heard it is run in qld and victoria im not sure if thats correct but.
I reckon that if there is to be Pre '90 introduced in NSW anytime soon there would need to be a bit more interest shown than there has been to date.
HEAVEN offers free riding to all bikes during the Saturday of most meetings. This is an ideal opportunity to get out and have a ride on your pre '90 and show us who's out there. You can even do it on a recreation licence and have more track time than you get during the Sunday race meeting.
At the end of this month the next round at Lakes ticks all the boxes. Sensational track probably the best track we have been to this year and the location is only one hour from Sydney so travelling for the majority is no problem.
So come and join the club, if your not already a member, and show that Pre '90 is a viable proposition in NSW. I'll be there with my new '89 YZ250 so come up and say hi.
Can't wait.
Cheers
Shaun #23
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I reckon that if there is to be Pre '90 introduced in NSW anytime soon there would need to be a bit more interest shown than there has been to date.
There's a fair few existing Heaven members with pre-90 bikes already. Straight off the top of my head:
You, me, Magoo, Darran M, Damo... (I know that there are several more, no doubt others will chime in).
I know of several other bikes in shed, where the owners might be interested in racing them, but have zero interest in the lobbying/politics - right or wrong, they'll only turn up and show their interest after the hard work has been done.
Gerard didn't renew his membership (and ultimately sold his pre-90 bike) when Heaven wouldn't allow him to race it.
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Yeah, Pre-90 is modern. Not much difference between riding a 1989 CR250 than a 2007 CR250. It runs here in Vic and gets reasonable numbers, but is not VMX IMO.
Cheers,
K
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I reckon that if there is to be Pre '90 introduced in NSW anytime soon there would need to be a bit more interest shown than there has been to date.
Gerard didn't renew his membership (and ultimately sold his pre-90 bike) when Heaven wouldn't allow him to race it.
Well that was a silly thing to do, most r of the opinion it will be introduced anyway, prob 2010 would make 20 years old. He could of rode to Saturays and bought a Pre 85 in the meantime, so really his heart must not of been in it
I dont have an opinion one way or the other cause I dont have a pre 90 bike in the shed but guess I will have to start looking if dont want to be seen as a more of an outcast
Pre 85 is the true definition of vintage if we get technical : see below link (I know its road bike but the same principals apply)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vintage_Motor_Cycle_Club
I do believe pre 78 needs to be worked on first to get the numbers back up and to drag bikes out of the shed. More tracks like Canowindra would be a good start and im sure the pre 85 guys had fun there as well
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I reckon that if there is to be Pre '90 introduced in NSW anytime soon there would need to be a bit more interest shown than there has been to date.
There's a fair few existing Heaven members with pre-90 bikes already. Straight off the top of my head:
You, me, Magoo, Darran M, Damo... (I know that there are several more, no doubt others will chime in).
I know of several other bikes in shed, where the owners might be interested in racing them, but have zero interest in the lobbying/politics - right or wrong, they'll only turn up and show their interest after the hard work has been done.
Gerard didn't renew his membership (and ultimately sold his pre-90 bike) when Heaven wouldn't allow him to race it.
Yeah Nathan I know there is a few existing members however I think the real growth and future of the club lies in guy's who may not be riding vintage at the moment. They are the 35-45 year olds who at around 18 years of age lusted after bikes in the Pre '90 era. Speaking for myself. I'm 45 years old and have little interest in bikes prior to Evolution.
I know that a lot of people on this forum don't recognise these bikes as vintage. Each to their own.
I agree with Rosco that building up Pre '78 would be good. But it appears that a lot of these guy's tend to talk a good race and tell us why we shouldn't introduce Pre '90 but that's about it. You see the same old faces riding Pre '78 at each meeting while the Pre '85 classes seem to grow every round.
The ever decreasing numbers in the earlier classes at most race meetings indicates to me that if we don't have a plan to embrace and attract new members through the introduction of later year cut off's we run the risk of having the club go into decline. Check out Penrith MCC for evidence of this.
If you Pre '78 guy's don't agree with me I would be extremely happy for you to prove me wrong with a huge turn out at the final two HEAVEN rounds this year.
Cheers
Shaun #23
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I am actually racing with heaven at the moment in the pre 78 and in the pre 84 class. I would be for the pre 90 class because i would be able to find another bike to race that isnt going to cost me a fortune and that i have a couple of mates that would be keen on the idear. i cant see how another race is going affect anything as i would be there on my old bikes as well.
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Yeah, Pre-90 is modern. Not much difference between riding a 1989 CR250 than a 2007 CR250. It runs here in Vic and gets reasonable numbers, but is not VMX IMO.
Cheers,
K
I think there is a difference between them, just not as much as the older bikes. Each era is more different and harder to go fast on a rough track or soar through the air.
The reality is that vmx is what you make it, or what you perceive it to be. A bloke in his early 40's can relate to an 80's model bike , whether it be an evo or pre 85. Blokes pushing 50, tends to be into pre 75 or 78. Generally speaking the grandads think its all about pre 70 and maybe pre 75. Its all where you are in your life cycle. Im generalizing of course but knowing quite a few people on the forum and how old they are, im close to the mark i think.
I wonder how many old boys that were racing in the 50's think/thought, 'bloody modern pre'75's. Try riding with no suspension. Now THATS vintage!'
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I am over this, Vintage racing is pre 75 only, all in a nut shell. take it or leave it, just go away pre90. Start or own movement and take with you pre 85, and pre 80 with you l feel this would be more pro active, call it pre 2000, the classes would be pre 78, pre 80, pre 85, pre 90, pre 2000.
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I think this is the best solution hornet. don`t you.
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Ok if vintage is only pre 75 that means that VMX mag should only contain pre 75 bikes. Lets see how many people buy it then ;) (this comment is not ment to be having a go at VMX mag. Its just to point out that 75 onwards bikes appeal to a lot of people who buy the magazine)
090's comment sums it up well.
I accept all eras up to pre 90 even if some dont appeal to me.
It would be interesting to run a poll on here to see what percentage of members are into what era bikes. it might surprise a few people.
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Spoken like a true old geezer. Come on Dave. Thats what it is for you. So ride pre 75 and have fun with it. Don't bag what doesn't interest you.
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numbers speak for themself ......Evos open at nationals 2009 had the most entries I believe ;)
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numbers speak for themself ......Evos open at nationals 2009 had the most entries I believe ;)
Thankyou Oldfart!
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I am over this, Vintage racing is pre 75 only, all in a nut shell. take it or leave it, just go away pre90. Start or own movement and take with you pre 85, and pre 80 with you l feel this would be more pro active, call it pre 2000, the classes would be pre 78, pre 80, pre 85, pre 90, pre 2000.
Pre 75 as a stand alone. Yeah right.
Where is the problem then ? You have the happy VMX formation thats working no problems . then you have this " huge" push for semi moderns . If it is so huge , why not let them be happy go on their own ? Picture a mother duck with happy ducklings under her wings and those three rougue big young geese trying to get under her wing as well . Something has to suffer ;) I have a feeling they just want to use mother duck as a jumping board ;)
What the duck?
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Unless something has changed in the universe time marches on. As this happens new year periods will and should enter the Vintage/Classic/Post Classic/etc/etc groups. It is unavoidable and essential for the sport to exist. Without it the sport will literally die out through natural attrition as most, granted not all, enthusiasts collect and ride 'their' period of bikes.
Cars and road racing have delt with this issue for years. My understanding is that Veteren is pre 1930?, Vintage is refers to pre '47? built vehicles. The period 1948-'75, I think, is Classic and '76-'84 is Post Classic. The cut off for Post classic advances with time but will be stopped at some point and a new period started. Many believe this will be 1/1/1986 which is the introduction of unleaded fuel.
My periods of interest are pre '78 and EVO (twin shock) in VMX. I appreciate the pre 75 and earlier bikes but not enough to collect them. I also have little interest in pre '90 but appreciate the machines for there technology step from EVO. The Pre '90 period must come but timing is the only question. The logistics of running all these periods at one meeting is or will become very difficult.
The last and most important thing is that no period is more or less important than any other.
The time to introduce Pre '90 is when enough bikes reach 25 years old as that is the accepted standard to class a car or bike as collectable for Government registration (NSW). This seems a logical rule to accept. Even though the NSW Government is totally hopeless in every area of responsibility they seem to have this little thing right.
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Your a goose if you think you're right.
The neigh sayers of pre90 never have a decent argument.
Pre 90 is awesome with some of the trickest bikes. And they are here to stay.
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Your a goose if you think you're right.
The neigh sayers of pre90 never have a decent argument.
Pre 90 is awesome with some of the trickest bikes. And they are here to stay.
Pre 90 is gold.. and eventually will grease the vmx wheels and help the vmx ball keep rolling once it starts to shine in all states.
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Your a goose if you think you're right.
The neigh sayers of pre90 never have a decent argument.
Pre 90 is awesome with some of the trickest bikes. And they are here to stay.
nobody says you have no place to stay , but dont undermine VMX with it . ;) Go and create the new pre 2009
Why are you telling people to move on from VMX.. since when have you been the president of VMX Australia?
In the 17 years i've been riding vmx they have introduced pre '78, Evo, pre '85 and pre '90. Does the sport now have to stop and stand still because you've recently joined the ranks?
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Your a goose if you think you're right.
The neigh sayers of pre90 never have a decent argument.
Pre 90 is awesome with some of the trickest bikes. And they are here to stay.
nobody says you have no place to stay , but dont undermine VMX with it . ;) Go and create the new pre 2009
No problem there. Let's just stop winding ourselves in knots over words, while ignoring the ideas behind those words.
The self-righteous claim to sole ownership of "vintage" MX is offensive and clearly wrong.
In terms of racing, I am far more interested in racing in the pre-78 eras than Evo+. But I'm not so self-important that I refuse to acknowledge the place these other old bikes have in the wider 'old dirt bike scene'.
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You can't grow your club if you don't allow new blood into it. Here in Texas our vintage club, the TVRC, has a XX class for bikes over 20 years old and it's one of the biggest classes at every meet.
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I am over this, Vintage racing is pre 75 only, all in a nut shell. take it or leave it, just go away pre90. Start or own movement and take with you pre 85, and pre 80 with you l feel this would be more pro active, call it pre 2000, the classes would be pre 78, pre 80, pre 85, pre 90, pre 2000.
As the question asked was about NSW and as Pre '90 is already going in Victoria your opinion is irrelevant. Go off and enjoy your Pre '75 only day's with all the other geeza's if that's what you want. Somehow I think your day's would be numbered though.
Cheers
Shaun #23
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I started racing in 1972 to 1979 then l finihed. The classic started in 1990. I have been thinking about this, l feel that the classic meetings can acommondate all era of classes, the tracks need to be Longer and more flowing just like the european tracks. One or two races for each classes., At connondale it worked just fine, and l personally ran to the fence when l new that glenn Bell was in that race on this 500 cr, and l most say l wished that l was a tad younger to race with him. We all love our era, lets help each other and move on and grow with this wonderfull sport. (Lets stop the bull sh.....T.)
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It would be good to see all VMX organisations in each state embrace all the existing categories and nurture the new as they are introduced,I personally enjoy seeing the bikes from all era's at the same event It gives a great insight into the history/evolution of the sport and the characters that competed in and on the bikes of MX/Scrambles you dont have to be a fanatic/collector of each era "each to there own" but as a group we should not try to fragment the movement,I think VMX would find it difficult to just get enough support from Pre 75 and the same goes for the the Pre 90,85 & Evo to split the categories could be harmful to the sport,at the end of the day:
Ride and Enjoy your Pride and Joy and respect each others preferences,there's room for every class if the right approach is adopted.
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nobody says you have no place to stay , but dont undermine VMX with it . ;) Go and create the new pre 2009
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The question asked was Pre '90.
Where are you getting pre 2009 from? This already exists it's called modern racing and has nothing to do with Vintage Motocross. Maybe you should study up a bit before posting your usual drivel.
Cheers
Shaun #23
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Gee Shaun...bus driving is making you angry.haha
I know I know....I still have to pick up that frame from you
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I started racing in 1972 to 1979 then l finihed. The classic started in 1990. I have been thinking about this, l feel that the classic meetings can acommondate all era of classes, the tracks need to be Longer and more flowing just like the european tracks. One or two races for each classes., At connondale it worked just fine, and l personally ran to the fence when l new that glenn Bell was in that race on this 500 cr, and l most say l wished that l was a tad younger to race with him. We all love our era, lets help each other and move on and grow with this wonderfull sport. (Lets stop the bull sh.....T.)
You started the bull sh.t when you told pre 80 85 and 90 to piss off. All eras can and do co exist in the sport we enjoy.
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Gee Shaun...bus driving is making you angry.haha
I know I know....I still have to pick up that frame from you
Haha Ted my idiot tolerance level may have dropped a bit ;D ;D ;D
Where have you been mate? Are you going to Lakes?
Cheers
Shaun #23
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Here we go round the roundabout, it's here to stay and even though it don't float my boat, I think it needs to be around to keep the numbers up, just don't call it vintage. The one and only club in Vic who limits the bikes to pre '75 has very few numbers on a race day, and before you jump on me, I'm not bagging them, that's what they want to do and it's just my observation. I like pre '75 but with my worn out old knees, the lack of suspension really plays havoc with them, so I prefer Pre '78 & Evo purely for my bodies sake. I'm sure there are others in the same situation. I'd be better off on a pre '90 bike with good suspension & brakes, but it's not my thing. Who really gives a shit anyway?
Cheers,
K
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Nothing wrong with you not being into them thats for sure Michael. You won't get bagged for that. You take out of vintage what floats your boat. Thats all that it should be.
I will never let slide others that say that longer travel bikes dont belong in the vintage scene. They are only a minority anyway, with Hornet aka Wasp aka Walter aka who ever else flying his pre75 only flag .
I will agree to disagree with not calling a 20+ year old bike a vintage bike. My 1985 cr is certainly not a modern in my book. Calling it classic or post vintage or similar would maybe make things better. Lets face it. Pre 65 is the true vintage!
Everything you said BK is correct . IF they would not alter the good pre 75 tracks and dig bigger holes then there where in 75 . That is the problem . the pre 75 s then become only good to look at . Broken backs and fatalities then where very rare . And that is fact and no dribble ;)
My pre 70 was fine at the nationals which had big numbers of bikes and had pre 85 hole diggers there as well.
When was the last time you threw a leg over a pre 75 2 wheeler yourself?
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Here we go round the roundabout, it's here to stay and even though it don't float my boat, I think it needs to be around to keep the numbers up, just don't call it vintage. The one and only club in Vic who limits the bikes to pre '75 has very few numbers on a race day, and before you jump on me, I'm not bagging them, that's what they want to do and it's just my obsevation. I like pre '75 but with my worn out old knees, the lack of suspension really plays havoc with them, so I prefer Pre '78 & Evo purely for my bodies sake. I'm sure there are others in the same situation. I'd be better off on a pre '90 bike with good suspension & brakes, but it's not my thing. Who really gives a shit anyway?
Yeah Big K..the same old chestnut and the same old accusations that all pre 90 protaganists just 'don't get it' . But you know what? I fully agree with the big K take on it. If the concensus wants pre 90 well go for it. It has the potential to be one of the sports great spectacles. The 80-90 era heralded more change and innovation than any era before and since and deserves to be a part of the wide world of 'old bike motocross'.
My whole stance against the introduction of pre 90 has always been about the timing of its introduction and nothing to do with my liking or disliking of the bikes. I've lost count of the number of times I've been accused of "hating" pre 90 bikes and of being biased against them. It annoys me no end that I've become the poster boy of the 'head in the sand old school' as one forum regular so eloquently christened me. Statements like "The self-righteous claim to sole ownership of "vintage" MX is offensive and clearly wrong" in reference to anyone who opposes the introduction are equally offensive to me and actually saddens me that myself and those sharing my philosophy are seen in that light.
Now on to more importand things, Have you given to the Noel Clarke fund yet?
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my last ride on a VMX bike was on the 125 Kawa , but unless it was a grass track , it was no longer fun , so it hade to go . Thats why I got my self the KTM . Good luck with your fishing expedition and be carefull of the rough waters ;)
Another edited post.
Fishing?
I reckon i got me one, swallowed the hook, line and sinker.
The way someone writes is their signature. real easy when your spelling is bad and consistently spell the same things wrong. In this case its hade (had) which are in these two posts by Hornet and Wasp.
I could find more but i don't want to spend too much time on it.
my last ride on a VMX bike was on the 125 Kawa , but unless it was a grass track , it was no longer fun , so it hade to go . Thats why I got my self the KTM . Good luck with your fishing expedition and be carefull of the rough waters ;)
Dave , just hade someone offering me a 81 for $3500 . Told me it was still all presentable and excellent working .
If thats what you are looking for I can persue his offer further .
Seeing as i know you are Walter and knowing you only ride sidecars, i cant understand why a track chopping up because of later model bikes worries you seeing as you dont ride one. thats why I asked when you last threw a leg over and your last post is irrelevant .
Rough waters? Watcha got?
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Ha! Thought as much.::)
Your user name should be 'edited post'.
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oh well--- off we go to modern MX ;D :-* Have a good weekend 8)
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What is the difference between a 1989 CR and a 2000 CR bike ? The answer is , not much . So you just cleared that matter up yourself ;D
Quite a lot, actually:
Frame material and design, size of the brakes, suspension design, long stroke motors, much more sophisticated power valves, much better carbs and ingitions, ergonomics, wheel size, etc etc.
Even a nuffie rider like myself can feel and appreciate the difference.
A modern MX rider would laugh at the idea of riding a ten year old MXer.
I know that the next argument will be "but a good rider on a pre-90 bike will be able to beat a lot of riders on current machinery!".
This is true, and I don't argue with it.
However, if you think that's a solid argument against pre-90 as an old bike class, then you should look at the fastest pre-70 lap times from the Nationals and see where those bikes/riders would have finished in the pre-85 class... I think you'll find that the only logical conclusion is that we've been wasting our time by seperating bikes by eras since 1988. ::)
OR, the seperation of eras isn't entirely about competitiveness, and has a lot more to do with showcasing eras of bikes.
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Don't sweat it Firko,one of your many redeeming features is your welcoming spirit and openess to the 'modern members' of the VMX community.I will always fondly remember the time when I announced to you and Bernie,at the Broadford GP, that I had procured my first VMX bike-a 1983 RM 125D,and how you welcomed me to VMX so warmly (no it wasn't a deliverance style initiation,but a warm handshake).
Whilst this topic is getting a tad tiresome (I for one am a Pre 90 fan) its great to see some passion flowing.Good to see Elvis firing up,hopefully you can get across to Taupo early December mate.
Long live fluro graphics,bad boy club t-shirts,and flat top haircuts.
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Long live fluro graphics,bad boy club t-shirts,and flat top haircuts.
I can relate to that.
Being a Texan, I have no stake in what the Aussie vintage clubs do, but in my eyes any dirt bike over 20 years old is a vintage dirt bike. A '74 CR125 is just an older vintage than a '83 RM125. As time marches on, so should the line that delineates these old bikes. If you try pigeon hole one era into vintage and exclude other old bikes from joining the club, your hobby will die as people get too old to ride and bikes/parts become more scarce. If you want to continue to grow, your definition of vintage will have to be broadened.
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Design the tracks the right way.
It is time that we learn, to design these tracks to suit pre 65 to pre 90, these tracks need to flow, do away with short stop and start corners, The main straight needs to be alot longer and wider, wider at the starts and funnel in, into a sweeping flowing corner, when the corners are stop and go corners the post classic, evo bikes rut it out very deep and pre 65 to pre 75 bikes find this hard to ride on. So learn from the riders who ride on pre 75 machines they are the ones closer to the ground, build the tracks the right way and we all will be happy. cheers
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I totally agree with you about the tracks Albrid but unfortunately a lot of the guys marking out the tracks were not motocross riders before their vmx days and have little or no experience and mark out single trail goat tracks.
Wide flowing tracks don't chop up as bad because of the many different lines available and also makes for better racing.
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thanks johnno, too shay.
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I don't have a clue what your tracks are like but we race on some old school tracks as well as contemporary tracks. Some are tight and some are wide open.
Our last local vintage race was on this track. It has soft dirt so it did rut up a bit.
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And this is how many pre-'75 125's showed up. I didn't hear any of them complaining about it.
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they are man made tracks, you need Natural terrain my friend,
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A semi goat track in my opinion , but you only enter if want , no one is forcing anyone ;D They just cry about lack of of entries :)
Interesting how different it is down under. Our club had a record turnout at that track. Nobody complained that it was man made. We were just happy to get to race at a first class facility with 35 years of history.
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Only a minority complain Cam. 20 or more in the picture you posted and old mate says a lack of entries. Shows the short sightedness of some.
I would love to run on that track as would most mx riders.
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Albrid, everyone loves grass tracks. Look at the success of the old ThumperNats or Amcross for proof - even the "17 year old lunatics" on modern bikes flock to grass track racing.
There's absolutely no reason why 30-something blokes on 1989 model bike would be the exception to this rule. As one of those blokes, I can tell you that I would be perfectly happy to race my '87 CR125 on grass tracks.
The whole "but they'll want triple jumps and monster whoops" argument is bullsiht. The Evo guys and the pre-85 guys have proven that it was bullsiht too (remembering that those same arguments were trotted out when pre-80/Evo was proposed and then again when pre-85 was).
Did you hear any of them complaining about the lack of supercross obstacles at the 2008 or 2009 Nationals?
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You keep making the point but you are wrong. I would ride my pre 70 there and have a ball. The bikes in the pic are pre75 and Cam said, no complaints.
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Motorcross is fast flowing curcuit natural Terrain 1.5 to 2.5 k`s. Standard tracks, ( Super cross tracks short , 1st gear, 2nd gear, 3rd maybe, if your lucky. these tracks are accidents waiting.)
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That track looks fine.. nice dirt, wide and fast enough, jumps are spaced far enough apart and not too steep.
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That track looks awesome Cam, I'd run any of my bikes their- even my 2000 Husaberg ;D ;D. How do you get to ride it?
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Weren't you at the nats Hornet?
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Weren't you at the nats Hornet?
Hornet doesn't ride..just makes a lot of noise.
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Would you have beaten Popeye and Fletch on that track Hornet? ;), looks like a good walking frame track.
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When are you going to turn up and show us your sting hornet??
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Your not a swiss cheese eating terorist are you Hornet? ;)
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It won't get any closer to you than Broadford and a track with a lot of history from the glory days.
No excuses this time...
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Guys - give over the personal attacks and keep trying to work out the task at hand. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I agreed with Nathans comments early and now Albrids regards tracks. Here in the west our favourite track for pre 75 is Wandering natural terrain good times however everybit as good is Narrogin purpose built MX track but all pre 75 friendly - Manjimup is a modern track and much more difficult for the older blokes and bikes. Anyone who tells you that Conondale didn't get hard for the pre 75s over the 3 days is full of bullshit - and Brad maybe it didn't for you but it looks like you could ride a coke can successfully anyway. This thread is rapidly getting down to the pre and post classes again! Maybe the sooner this happens pre 75 post 75 (or 78 or whatever) the sooner the arguments will cease - or am I just wishful thinking?
Rossco
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hi brad 090, what pre 70 bike do you have.
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Brads our current pre 70 National champion :o
you were there David
CZ360 Sidepiper ;D
Cheers
Noel
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Conondale got a bit rough, but it is motocross right? Three days of riding has to take its toll.
As far as personal attacks, i find it offensive to be part of a discussion and telling lies to suit the argument at hand. That is why i have carried on.
FFS , when you cant even spell the name of you town correctly on every occasion, somethings amiss . Its Traralgon.
Dave, you must not realise who i am. Its Brad van Barrelo. I rode Dads sideport 360 at the nats. Just so you know, i dont have a problem with you personally, just didn't like your original statement which you modified later stating the pre 80's 85's and 90's should piss off.
Cheers, Brad
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Hey JohnnyO, what years did Anthony Gunter win Mr Motocross, I know 76 and 77 but what year was his 3rd? Cheers John.
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Brad, point taken, l started to think about what l had said, and changed my mind about the whole point of our discussion, l have found land and marked out lots of natural terrain tracks in my day, and have delt with this argument so any times in the past, l feel strongly about the design of tracks, and if people could put more thought into them. everybody would be much happier. l like all bikes, l just get sick of these topic and l feel that their is an easy method to solve these argument. That is the reason for me to change my mind.
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Sorry l was their, congratulation Brad, next year l will try and take it off you with my pre70 bike. cheers old rust never sleeps.
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Anyone who tells you that Conondale didn't get hard for the pre 75s over the 3 days is full of bullshit
I didn't think that it chopped up too badly? It got a lot rougher at CD6, at least. And unlike at CD6, there were good, consistant lines forming around corners, which counter-balanced the additional roughness in other spots.
I'm kinda wondering whether having different eras of bikes on the track actually HELPS to minimise the worst of the bumps. Bikes with different amounts of suspension travel all form differently spaced braking/acceleration bumps to each other - so the short travel bikes partly flatten out the long travel bikes' bumps, and visa-versa.
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Brad, next year l will try and take it off you with my pre70 bike.
Glad to hear that you have started your training program Dave, I thought your tongue was going to get caught in your spokes at Conondale ;D ;D ;D
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Hey JohnnyO, what years did Anthony Gunter win Mr Motocross, I know 76 and 77 but what year was his 3rd? Cheers John.
'79 mate..the year he had the works bike for the final round at Amaroo.
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Cheers JohnnyO. :)
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hello GMC, All in a days fun, the tongue does stretch a bit, have a new mount, have you heard from drakey lately.
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Yeah the other day, he's been busy with his new house. We could talk about him all you like here as you would never see him in this thread ;D
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That track looks awesome Cam, I'd run any of my bikes their- even my 2000 Husaberg ;D ;D. How do you get to ride it?
That is Oak Hill MX, one of the premier tracks in Texas and where they hold the GNC Amateur Nationals every spring. In recent years it was only open for big races, but it's under new ownership and now it's open for more local events and even open two days a week for practice.
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Yes that is true geoff. I read drakey`s file, coming back home from brisbane last month, noticed a lot of dead Koo`s on the side of the road, lucking you didn`t wreck the MA VAN. So I am trying to understand the file, so drakey`s lost touch with CZ. or just to involved with the admin side of racing and enduro.