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Offline suzuki27

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What Pre-75 125 to race?
« on: August 12, 2009, 05:16:23 pm »
I am after some info /advice on what would make a good pre-75 125 race bike.
Is it all Honda?

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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2009, 05:25:38 pm »
hey Bill,
if you'd like to run at the pointy end then the Honda's seem the go but the more time i spend with my little Yammie, i'm in love with it.
i havn't had the top end off it in a bit over a year and she just keeps on going.
i've never riden a CR or TM but i reckon any of them well sorted will treat you right.
the TM,s do look cool though.
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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2009, 06:07:42 pm »
I haven't ridden a Honda, but I have had a couple of laps on Vandy's bike and I have to agree it's a fun bike to ride

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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 06:36:31 pm »
Hey there Michael and Mainline. Congrats to Vandy for the podium finish at the Nationals.Well done.
I am thinking about off-loading one of my more modern VMXers for a pre-75 bike. It looked like a lot of fun and I could go into some age- grouped races. If I had a choice I would like some low to mid range motor more than a top end screamer - I know it is a bit of a tall order for a 125. I will do a bit of research into whats out there and hopefully get something for next years Nats at Broadford

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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2009, 07:51:43 pm »
An mx125 would be a good choice for a broad power band.

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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2009, 09:18:44 pm »
The Honda is the bike to go fast on, primarily because it has the 6-speed box and goes well.
Its also a tiny bike and one that's relatively difficult to get along with.

The YZ-A is about as fast, a heap easier to get along with and is more comfortable to ride, but is hindered by lousy forks and a 5-speed box. The MX-A (or even DT125A) can easily be upgraded to YZ spec (or better!) and are a shit-load cheaper to buy.

The TMs are somewhere between a stock MX-A and YZ-A in performace, as far as I can tell (I haven't ridden one).

The KXes are supposed to be close to a match for the CR, but they're a rare bird, so its probably academic.


Personally, I own a YZ-A, MX-A and a DT-A.
The DT is the race bike of choice because I couldn't see the point in butchering a rare and relatively valuable YZ to make the same race bike as I can by using a freebie DT.

Its got a YZ-A gearset, ported barrel, YZ125J pipe, 32mm carb & CDI from a YZ125E, 34mm DT250A forks, YZ250B triple clamps, YZ125E front wheel, and a YZ125X rear wheel (same as YZ-A but takes flat rather than dished sprocket).
Its about to get a YZ125A alloy tank and a YZ360A seat and some decent rear shocks. If I was to start again, I'd do everything the same, although I'd doubt that I'd find another 360A seat, so I'd probably use an MX125A seat.
I think it owes me about $1500 and a lot of time in the shed. The price has been held down because I wrecked a $200 YZ125E, and because I've been patient/lucky enough to get a lot of 'fun parts' cheaply.

It is infinitely easier to get along with than an Elsinore - it idles, it pulls cleanly off the bottom and it doesn't load up. With a standard DT pipe, it was fast enough to challenge for the win in the Classic 125 class at Heaven level, largely through tractability that allows impressive corner speed.
I won't say that it handles brilliantly, but for a non-midget, it is predictable, vice-free and handles a lot better than a stock Elsinore.
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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2009, 09:28:12 pm »
Bill if you can find one a KX 125 is what you need  :) they are as quick as a non dope CR but they pull from nothing and keep on reving.
They are a 6 speed and if you want them more peaky design a Skunk werks replica induction kit and fit a 34mm carb.
The forks are a bit sad but a 250 front end and some decent shocks will make the world of difference.

The YZ is a great bike but as Nathan pointed out that 5 speed  ::)

TMs are great and parts a plenty but it takes a bloody good rider to put one at he pointy end of the pack ;)

Congrats to vandy  ;D he rode a blinder in the last race and showed the potential of the MX 125  :) :)

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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2009, 09:31:40 pm »
A CR with a different Honda 125 cylinder will sort all of the above out ;) 
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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2009, 09:34:45 pm »
Dont do it Grossi,stick to the kettles!!!! ;)

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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2009, 12:41:18 pm »
just out of interest how rare is something like a Mk.5 Bulty and how do they compare to the jappers of the era?

they certainly appeal to me but are they more trouble than their worth?? :-\


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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2009, 01:04:53 pm »
Good looking bikes arent they Doc, wouldnt mind a 250.   

motors seem to be fairly agricultural but seem to work, like those Montessa's .  But from what i can see in the states they have all the engine parts so shoulndt be a problem for a smart guy like you to keep one running.
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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2009, 03:08:21 pm »
mmm, they are 8)..always liked the early Pursangs Freaky but after having a real early Alpina that wouldn't pull skin off a custard and a mate having woes with the bulty he owned I sort of lost interest for about 20 years. For about the last 3 years I've been thinking of something different like a Pursang but I'd like a 125. Couldn't be any more ag than the CZ could it ??? 

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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2009, 04:51:59 pm »
Craig Schoone punts around his 125 Bully very well  :)

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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2009, 06:36:30 pm »
Thanks for the heads-up Nathan and Bill & Doc etc.  I think there is another project being born. I was just day dreaming over the HOLLOWAY 125 COLLECTION IN VMX.  If anyone finds a 125 Phantom laying around just PM me!

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Re: What Pre-75 125 to race?
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2009, 08:41:12 am »
  If anyone finds a 125 Phantom laying around just PM me!
yeah, good one Bill,
if anyone finds a 125 phantom, i'd reckon this forum wouldn't know until it was tucked safely in thier shed.
what about the 125 TM Dodgee had for sale?
Suzuki27.... ;)
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