Aussie titles. Protest. pre -/78 125's

[TM BILL]

Yawn yawn its been fascinating reading guys, but like Suzuki footpegs its becoming a snore fest....

 If your bored go and find some more pants to sniff   

[asasin]

Had both alloy swing arm (optional suzuki black) and a full floater Hand made  copy off a photo In 1977 ( spoilt brat 14 y/o)

[motomaniac]

Are you reading the rules motomaniac, or just on a high horse?

Externally adjustable shocks, PD valves, fat bars etc are all currently legal.
Fair enough it you don't want them to be legal, but that would be changing the rules, which is a whole 'nother ball game.

I agree with you on the swing arms, FWIW.

One of the reasons these discussion go nowhere, is because far too many people get confused by what the rules are, with what they think the rules should be[/i

I am reading the GCR's isnt everyone?

[motomaniac]

Are you reading the rules motomaniac, or just on a high horse?

Externally adjustable shocks, PD valves, fat bars etc are all currently legal.
Fair enough it you don't want them to be legal, but that would be changing the rules, which is a whole 'nother ball game.

I agree with you on the swing arms, FWIW.

One of the reasons these discussion go nowhere, is because far too many people get confused by what the rules are, with what they think the rules should be.

Sorry Mate but I just don't get it.You are saying that rubber mounted handle bars (78rm) are illegal.[Im not going to ask about stiffer fork spring and a bit more rebound damp.]
Yet items that surfaced in the 90's arenot. i READ THE gcr's over and over in the last few weeks.Where the fug is it?
I appreciate your without malice postings btw .
Also I dont care really but I just sold alot of 125d and e stuff and I couldnt see the dif in the cylinders without measuring the ports.
Cheers

[motomaniac]

I am trying , Bill , but she is not letting me .  And the mailorder ones from USA are to pricey . 

what are you talking about the exchange rate is good ATM.

[suzuki43]

Thats pot calling kettle black William

[suzuki27]

Wasp, are you saying that pre-worn ;( not pre-78); underwear is available on-line?
Just out of interest sake of course. And I am sure 43 already knows the answer.
A PM will do!

[DJRacing]

By the wayOur GCR's for pre 78 say    
   "for this reason ,we do not classify motorcycles strictly by the year they were produced, but by some similar characteristics that were possessed by the majority of these first- generation long-travel motorcycles,such as suspension travel"

Yes AJAY a C is better than a B but so is a 75 CR better than a 74.
Are you suggesting that a B model fits the class but a C model is a second generation long travel bike as per the GCR's?
Are you suggesting that a C model because it has floating brake and 10mm more travel be classified in with 12" travel Husqvarna's,Maico's,YZG's and H's.

Motomaniac,  if you are willing to quote the rules, then quote them as they are written, not a 'piece' of them as you perceive.

The pre78 rules are written and explain the concept of "Pre78" very well. What they say/discribe at the start is that in the Pre78 era the first of the "second generation" long travel suspension where available, and they would out-class the early "first generation" bikes of the era.
 If you happen to read the rules again how about stating the first sentence....

18.7.6  Pre 78 Classes.  Eligibility
"The Pre 78 classes are intended to represent the "first generation" long-travel bikes that were commercially avialable in the 1975-1977 periods. The time frame is provided only as a guideline, as some 1977 models are of the "second generation long-travel bikes that would clearly outclassthe earlier models if allowed to run together. For this reason, we do not......   (and so on, as you have stated)

18.7.6.1
Acceptable for the Pre-78 class are machines built up to and including the 1977 model. The only exception to this GCR is where the model remains unaltered after this date.


This is first and foremost, a class based on an era, 1975 through to and including 1977.

[magoo]

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[firko]

Jeez I've been out having a nice seafood lunch and a couple of nice NZ Sauvignon Blancs and arrive home to find you blokes still arguing over this shit. Move on for f*cks sake blokes! It's over, has been for five days. Second hand underwear online? Trust a Swiss to move the discussion to new heights/lows (depending on your particular kinks!) Much more interesting than defending the indefensible I reckon.

[Marc.com]

 If your bored go and find some more pants to sniff   
[/quote]

I guess we all have to have a hobby Bill.

I think one way of clearing things up instead of a log book, is you make reference table, for example any

RM250s with the serial number 123-456 are eligible,

scrutineer checks frame number, gives the bike the once over for post 78 parts and thats it. Scrutineers decision is final on the day, no protests and no shagging about.

[shoey]

People often wonder why major sponsors of sporting events stop sponsoring events, and divert their funding into other sports

[suzuki43]

Firko ditto,I just enjoyed a wonderful rugby match along with a mighty NZ Sav Blank (quoting Cath & Kim) and not a pair of edible undies in sight.

Please put applicable snoring sounds here>>>.>>>>>>>.>>>>
Good night Johnboy!

[motomaniac]

 If your bored go and find some more pants to sniff   

I guess we all have to have a hobby Bill.

I think one way of clearing things up instead of a log book, is you make reference table, for example any

RM250s with the serial number 123-456 are eligible,

scrutineer checks frame number, gives the bike the once over for post 78 parts and thats it. Scrutineers decision is final on the day, no protests and no shagging about.
[/quote]

I agree - sounds too easy.I posted a page or so back :-Didn't anyone check the frame and Engine numbers??derrrrr

[Suzukal]

It seems everyone has had a say, so I feel it’s only fair for me to have my turn.
My bike ( #36 ) was other one that was protested.
The bike has been presented at the titles in the same setup for as long as I can remember and no one has complained, protested or mentioned anything about wrong parts on the bike in that time. Don’t know if that’s good or not?
The eligibility scrutineer has twice looked over the bike ( 2003 & 2008 Tassie ) and the only thing mentioned, was if someone protests, was I happy to pull the forks down and show there was only 9” of travel.  Nothing else.  If he felt it wasn’t worth mentioning I should change parts, why would I think otherwise?
As for the protest.
Everyone has the right to protest but it’s the way you do it that can upset people. If you spot something wrong, questionable, not right, talk to the rider. You don’t want to confront them, get the official to do it. That’s what they’re there for. The rider should be told what’s wrong & given options. They need to change what’s wrong, they can ride up a class or they can ride and be eliminated from the points, but you don’t let it go for three days of racing & when everything’s over, you get hit with a protest. People don’t like bombshells being dropped on them. That’s how you end up with pages & pages being written on forums.

I will change the parts before the next titles & it will be just as quick.
Hope we all get to race together again next year & that this is the end of this thread.