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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #240 on: September 06, 2009, 10:37:53 pm »
Thanks heeps Noel for the link,
I have bid on the same mag before and it got to $25-bit much for me, seeing as it could be a repeat article....
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Re: Sprite/Alron
« Reply #241 on: September 07, 2009, 08:06:24 am »
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Mitch had his suspicions so got the metallurgy checked. Sure 'nuf, frame is apparently mild steel.
Interesting, that's what we suspected. the pre fastback frame may be 531 as it feels appreciably lighter than the fastback Alron frame.

Could be, except bike in reply #7 on Pg 1 is the early frame, w exactly the same thing Mitch noticed & had tested & found to be mild steel.

I seem to remember Bob Johnson had some thing t do with Alron and could probably add some spice to the mix in the way of times , dates, people etc....

Yeh, thats what Evohusky told me too. Trying to find a contact for him. If anybody has one could you PM me pls.
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1973 Rickman Zundapp Metisse, to rebuild
1979 Husqvarna WR250
1974 Husqvarna MAG CR250

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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #243 on: September 07, 2009, 12:03:49 pm »
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Could be, except bike in reply #7 on Pg 1 is the early frame, w the 531 sticker on the swingarm only (as far as I can see)
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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #244 on: September 07, 2009, 12:38:51 pm »
I have bid on the same mag before and it got to $25-bit much for me, seeing as it could be a repeat article....
cheers

he he , i seen that mag and a few more on the weekend at the swap meet in willunga, guy was selling em for $1 each, if i knew there was so much interest / money i should have bought them and stuck em on ebay......... $25 WTF  :o

IF i remember ill scan up the Alron 400 article i have in the cycle world  i have in the car, only bought it for the yamaha SC 500 macklin test, and the 73 nsw National results that year( old SA murray williams won the sidecars  :P).  But it does have 4-5 pages on this alron stuff, if it hasnt been covered here already ill scan to Photo bucket and link up by weeks end if you guys are still interested in this stuff.
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74 Yamaha YZ's - 75 Yamaha YZ's
74 Yamaha  flattracker's
70  Jawa 2 valve speedway's

For sale -  PRE 75 Yamaha MX stuff, frame, motors and parts also some YAM DT1,2,A and Suzi TS bikes and stuff

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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #245 on: September 07, 2009, 01:48:44 pm »
Definitely interested Freaky. Pls do. If its the article I think (in Cycle Australia not Cycle World??), I've been chasing it for a while.

Alison , how did you get on w the chap looking up his old programmes to see how many Alrons were entered back in the day?
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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #246 on: September 07, 2009, 03:05:01 pm »
Cycle somthing, thats all i remember and IIRC its late 73 think it ahs some roady on the cover, but dont quote me.

Its on the list.  hang in there.
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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #247 on: September 07, 2009, 04:45:24 pm »


Sprite/American Eagle405 Talon-Brand Name Roulette - 1971
American Eagle arrived on the USA motocross scene in 1967 with a big ad budget and small racing team (that included a young Brad Lackey). But, in truth, there was no American Eagle motorcycle factory. The American Eagle was a private-label bike that was built by Sprite Developments in Oldbury, England by Frank Hipkin. Brits could buy the bike as the Sprite 405 Talon, Americans were offered the bike as the American Eagle 405 Talon, Australians knew it as the Alron 405 and Belgiums thought it was the BVM 405. All the bikes were identical, with the exception of the American bikes having “American Eagle” cast into the engine case. Amazingly all the different national distributors tried to pretend that the Sprites were designed in the home countries. It wasn’t until many years later that each country learned the truth about the “other” Sprites.

Most distressing of the “clone engineering” behind the $1195 American Eagle 405 Talon was that the engine itself was a clone. It was an Italian-built copy of a late ‘60s, four-speed, 399cc, Husqvarna engine. Many Husqvarna parts would fit in the Italian engine, but not all. Most American Eagles racers remember the gearbox with particular distaste. Additionally the Talon had a Sprite-built fork that was a direct copy of a Ceriani fork.

Sprite Developments in England showed rapid growth from 1964 to 1974. Owner Frank Hipkin started building lightweight, Reynolds tubing frame kits for Villiers, Triumph Cub, Husqvarna and Maico engines. Amazingly enough, if Hipkin had kept the Sprite motorcycle company small he might have lasted longer. Success killed the Sprite, Talon, Alron and BVM. When Hipkin started exporting Sprites in large numbers the British government closed the tax loopholes that Sprite was using and, following the collapse of the U.S. American Eagle distributor (Galaxy Wholesale in Garden Grove, California), the financial losses were too great to absorb.

Today, Sprite Development still exists, but it builds RVs, caravans and motor homes.

WHAT THEY COST
Although it was quite rare to find the Sprite or it’s stepchilds on EBay, collectors don’t seem to be drawn to them. This un-restored example was purchased in 2006 for $2600. A good core (original but in need of restoration) Husqvarna of the same year would easily go for twice this amount.

MODELS
Eagle 125 – CMXR (125cc Sachs engine), Eagle 250 – GMXR (250cc Husqvarna clone), and the Eagle 405 – TMXR (405cc Husqvarna clone).

WHAT TO LOOK FOR
The Eagles came with several different fuel tanks (2.0gal or 2.5gal) made of either fiberglass or aluminum and either Dunlop Sports knobbies or trials tires. The side panels are aluminum as are the fenders and the front and rear hubs are polished aluminum. If these items are in good shape, the bike will make a beautiful addition to any collection.

PARTS SUPPLY
It is very difficult to find parts for the Sprites. Vintage Husky in San Marcos, CA at 760-744-8052 may be able to help. In Europe, try Frans Munsters at [email protected].

 
 

   
     

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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #248 on: September 07, 2009, 05:00:04 pm »
 

 
1974 American Eagle 125 MX
This bike is rare because it was expensive and bad. It is beautiful but the attention to detail isn't there. A great job was done in the restoration. This bike was extremely hard to source parts for due to its rarity. But lets face it - if you were serious about racing in 1973 you werent on an American Eagle. The pictures were taken before the decals were applied but it is a very pretty bike. The Zundapp power plant is strong but the bike is clunky and doesnt handle very well. But it is history so here it is to enjoy. http://www.pelicanguanomotorsports.com/1974americaneagle125.html

 
 

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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #249 on: September 07, 2009, 06:45:30 pm »
JC the reply about old race programmes:
Look forward to some good news on your return and I will eventually get to those boxes!!

Quote: Sitting astride the 360,one immediate impression is of an extremely narrow bicycle with controls in exactly the right place.I felt right at home at once on the Sprite.
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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #250 on: September 07, 2009, 10:17:37 pm »
Alison, try Shoreline or Russell from BMCC for Bobs contacts.

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Re: Sprite/Alron
« Reply #251 on: September 08, 2009, 09:04:08 am »
Just back-tracking a minute

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Not sure of the litigation though Graeme. There were legal threats apparently but I've no record of it going to court. Maybe JC has picked up something on that side of things.

The info I had was from americaneaglecollector.com site under history, then hipkins-husky (articles from Cycle Illustrated, I think), but I haven't been able to access the site lately. It said Husky was going to sue, but Hipkins claimed the Husky engine itself was a copy of a british design & he had the papers to prove it. He may have been bluffing of course. I don't know of any Brit design that is like the husky design (which was originally 175 3sp) w its weird shift-gate etc, tho I don't claim to know much about Brit bikes. I've never heard of it going to court.
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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #252 on: September 08, 2009, 10:56:16 am »
Same here John. I've asked our US source, the 'Dongmeister' (don't ask ::)) if he has any information but he's a hard bloke to nail down. I'll remind him.

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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #253 on: September 08, 2009, 11:00:05 am »
Ad for the American Eagle 125. ( I've just noticed that the header now includes American Eagle. Thanks Alison               

                 
                 

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Re: Sprite/Alron/American Eagle
« Reply #254 on: September 08, 2009, 11:02:42 am »
American Eagle 360: