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Two Stroke supercharger???
« on: June 08, 2009, 05:31:26 pm »
Why do you think they have groved the crank flywheel? Increasing the 'windage' to have a supercharger effect?

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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2009, 05:39:25 pm »
A mob in the US do this to lighten unsuspecting peoples wallets.Which it does with alarming regularity.
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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2009, 05:57:55 pm »
A mob in the US do this to lighten unsuspecting peoples wallets.Which it does with alarming regularity.
So that's the claim is it? I was wondering. I know the opposite, polishing, is also done to reduce the windage, 'drag', and increase HP.

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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2009, 06:04:54 pm »
I'd say some form of plot against 2 strokes as that would drop primary compression due to those chamfers on outside of crank  :o

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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2009, 01:29:44 pm »
windage and compressing air have 2 different meanings. If windage from oil drag then possibly as you are breaking up oil film, not sure what meaning that would have on a 2 stroke that runs dry crank. If you are talking about compressing air forget it and even if it did you need an exhaust valve to make it all work.
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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009, 04:54:15 pm »
Exactly Marc, these is pure snake oil. Show me the dyno print out. ;D
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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009, 06:19:44 pm »
The only benefit in this on a two stroke is lightening the crank.
But - I'm probably way off here - if it's a pressed four-stroke crank the grooves promote spray which cools the underside of the piston.
And, as mentioned before, lightens the wallet.

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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2009, 08:55:18 am »
if you really want to super charge a 2 stroke you need one of these

http://library.abb.com/global/scot/scot208.nsf/veritydisplay/7d71e16c42799eddc12575ca0049097c/$File/ABBTC_TPL_B.pdf
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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2009, 09:43:27 am »
Years ago I bought a siezed up Maico 250 engine and when I pulled it down I found something similar to the above. Some "genius" had used an angle grinder to grind similar grooves into the flywheels. There was no uniformity on depth or pitch and I often wondered why someone would do such bastardry to a perfectly innocent set of flywheels ???.

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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2009, 10:01:57 am »
I'm with Lozza - a dyno print out would be interesting and so would the shops profit margin !!! Nice engineering though .........
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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2009, 07:16:06 pm »
MarcFX, unless you have a 2 stroke diesel which is totally different to a 2 stroke petrol engine the turbo can not work.

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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2009, 09:28:19 pm »
Sorry to rain on your parade there monty but turbo's on 2T engines are all the rage in the sand drag and snowmobile drag(both summer and winter) worlds 
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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2009, 09:51:48 pm »
Something to wake up the Jawa  ;)


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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2009, 09:08:01 am »
I love thar jawa.
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Re: Two Stroke supercharger???
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2009, 03:27:08 pm »
I stand corrected Lozza :-[ although my post was not very clear I was referring to the link in MarkFX's post. Having said that I did not think that a 2 stroke spark ignition engines could be successfully turbocharged - Supercharged yes.

I wonder how they overcome the porting overlap issue and restriction in the exhaust? I would expect that the gains on a spark ignition 2 stroke would not be as easily found as in a 4 stroke.

Anyway that teaches me for opening my big trap ;D

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