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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #120 on: March 28, 2009, 04:26:05 pm »
hi Dirtrumph
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MOMS page 153 , 18.6.0.4. ;
"any round slide carb of a type available pre 75 may be used ,except the pre 60 class".
after all we do want  to be able to start the bloody things ,
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #121 on: March 29, 2009, 07:18:47 pm »
well, except for some things like aftermarket water cooled heads/barrels in EVO or earlier  ;)

I think if someone has one of the pretty bloody rare water cooled head set ups from pre 78 they should be able to run it. Point is that it was available in that period.

I tend to agree, but were these watercooled kits around in 77?

As for Evo, well its a class for air cooled bikes so I don't see how anyone can think a watercooled bike can be eligible in a air cooled class.

These debates would be better in their own thread as well.
I think Dave intended this thread to be about what the rules are at present,
not what rules anyone thinks need changing.
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #122 on: March 29, 2009, 08:08:55 pm »
Dave just a clarification,
Below is extract from MOMS

18.7.6 Pre-78 Classes: Eligibility
The Pre-1978 classes are intended to represent
the “first generation” of long-travel bikes that were
commercially available in the 1975-77 periods. The
time frame is provided only as a guideline, as some
1977 models are of the second generation long-travel
bikes that would clearly outclass the earlier models
if allowed to run together. For this reason, we do not
classify motorcycles strictly by the year they were
produced, but by some similar characteristics that were
possessed by the majority of these first-generation
long-travel motorcycles, such as suspension travel.

You have been saying Pre 78 is only for bikes built between Jan 75 and Dec 77
Are you saying that a up graded pre 75 bike {that no longer fits into Pre 75 }
 would then have to run in evo class?

Not trying to be smart just checking on interpretation
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #123 on: March 29, 2009, 08:14:20 pm »
i thought the classes are by model year and not mfg date, so a december 78 made bike would be a 79 model and cant be in pre 78. the way i see it pre 78 is only for bikes bikes that are 75,76 and 77 models. mfg date has nothing to do with it, it goes by model year.
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #124 on: March 29, 2009, 08:25:44 pm »
sorry typo ment{ Dec77}
 have edited
thats the question I was trying to ask,
you say manufacture date has nothing to do with it ??
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #125 on: March 29, 2009, 08:30:23 pm »
yes thats based on what others have said earlier on in this topic.
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #126 on: March 29, 2009, 08:48:19 pm »
Ok,
So I guess my Question is
Does an up graded pre 75 bike have to run EVO , even if it is up grade with Pre 78 parts?
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #127 on: March 29, 2009, 08:53:47 pm »
very good question! i was thinking that too. if they dont want you in pre 78 then you might have to go in EVO ??? based on other coments i would think yes because if its a pre 75 bike but is modifed and doesnt meet pre 75 requirement, then you upgrade to pre 78, BUT they dont want pre 75 bikes upgrading and entering in pre 78 and they cant push you back to pre 75 because you dont fit there either so the next logical step is EVO class i guess which is more open slather.
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #128 on: March 29, 2009, 09:06:39 pm »
You'd be in pre-78, most of the time (it would be possible to modify a 74 model bike so it didn't meet both the pre-75 and pre-78 rules).
I read the comment about not wanting pre-75 bikes to run in pre-78, and thought that it refered to bikes that were clearly pre-75 legal (or would need minimal, small mods to make them pre-75 legal).

If nothing else, the class is "pre-78", not "75~77". Fair enough that at the Nationals you're limited to only the one age class per bike, but there's nothing in the rules to stop you riding a pre-65 bike as an Evo, if it was the only class you rode that bike in.

I've heard of the road-race guys having two different fairings for one bike, which makes the bike legal in two different eras - the historic road race rules specifically say that a bike will be defined by its newest major component. So changing to a later major component between races, instantly makes the one bike legal for both classes.
Not sure if I agree with the intent in that case, but I can't argue with the execution.

Conceivably, you could swap front wheels (with different hubs :D) or rear shocks (with more travel) between races to change your pre-75 bike into a pre-78 one.
And a third wheel fitted with a YZ-J hub, would get three classes from the one bike.... (although a pre-75 bike is gonna get snotted in a field of pre-85 bikes).


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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #129 on: March 30, 2009, 05:51:15 pm »
G'day
Our club has a junior class, 13-16 year olds, will there be a junior class at the nationals 

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #130 on: March 30, 2009, 06:02:11 pm »
G'day
Our club has a junior class, 13-16 year olds, will there be a junior class at the nationals 

You have opened a Pandora's box , asking that around here.....quick run... :o
They is big debate on it somewhere in here.  :-X
Actually some of the new members on here nowdays might agree with the concept.
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #131 on: March 30, 2009, 06:06:51 pm »
Problem with juniors is the number of classes you need to run for different ages.... you would only get 1 round of racing in during the day.

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #132 on: March 30, 2009, 09:25:59 pm »
Guys
the Commission meetings are this weekend, I sort of didn't expect the response to the thread; I guess It was pre warning that ther rules will be enforced at the Nationals and the previous experience of a polite warning about the issues with a bike are now a thing of the past.

This forum is a great place for this type of conversation, after the meeting I will post a formal reply to the questions that remain unanswered but suggest strongly that you keep an eye out for the responses from your state committee and put your 2c worth in. These guys are your representitives and without them responding to the suggestions from the commission you have no voice.

The most important thing (and please tell your friends) is that you build your bike to the rule book and dont try to make the rule book fit your bike.

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #133 on: March 31, 2009, 12:41:47 pm »
G'day Dave
 I've been reading the rule book and it dose'nt mention anything about swingarms, it just says that if your rear suspension is more than 4' inches then you need to insert spacers in the shocks to bring it back to 4 inches' my swingarm is slightly extended so if I insert the correct amount of spacers will that make my SL125 legal ? I don't think anyone raced an SL back in the day that was'nt modified

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #134 on: March 31, 2009, 09:17:49 pm »
hay, 666 that was my maico /honda at barrabool, came 3th in the over 40 125 class on that little beauty, that engine was built by the famous Hallam brothers here in victoria, that bike was very quick.
still have a photo of her, where were you at that time.
cheers
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