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Re: bicycles
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2008, 11:28:25 pm »
Well done Firko.

I gave up dirt bikes for a decade in 1992 and have been a keen cyclist ever since, and just like dirt bikes the cycling bug bites hard.

Also just like dirt bikes the number of bikes you need is determined by a simple mathematical formula which is ...   
the number of bikes you need = N + 1,  where N = the number of bikes you have.  It's a scientific formula, the missus can't argue with that!

Anyway, there are a few under the house but the two that get used are a mountain bike and a road bike, the mountain bike is a Specialized Stump Jumper hardtail. It's about 11 years old now and has withstood 3 years of XC racing, 7 years of commuting and countless rides through the Blue Mountains and up and down the coast. It's done lots of K's and almost everything except the frame and handlebars has been replaced over time.

My road bike is a Basso Devil, a fairly exotic hand built Italian thing which is also about 10 years old.  I have done a sacreligious act to it recently (according to cycling purists) and changed the drop bars for flat MTB bars and controls. It's now makes a fantastic daily commuter through the Brisbane traffic and is much faster than the MTB but not as comfy.

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If you are planning on doing a lot of off-road riding don't even bother with the cheap and nasty stuff (especially the Kmart specials) it just won't last. Firko has the right idea, those bikes are top-notch and would have cost a pretty penny when brand new. The local bike shop guy would rather sell you something but if you can restore old MX bikes then pushies are a piece of cake. Grease the wheel and steering bearings, lube the cables, true the wheels and maybe replace the chain and sprockets and they're good as new.

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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2008, 11:48:07 pm »
That's good advice.
Think of it as being like comparing a CRF230 with one of those nasty 250cc Chinese things - maybe the Honda loses on the brochure, but in the real world there's no doubt which is the better bike - you're better off trading some bling for quality.

None of the brand names are inherently good or bad - but they'll all have stronger and weaker bikes in their range. For example, say that the Trek is the best value $800 bike, you'll probably find that the $1200 Trek isn't the best $1200 bike...

Learn about the group-sets and components, and it will make comparisons much more 'apples with apples' - otherwise you're likely to be overwhlemed by all of the info.

Pay cash and haggle hard. Don't be surprised if you find that they aren't keen to move much on the price of the bike, but use that as leverage to get extras thrown-in or at a super discounted rate (as a guide: even if you buy the cheapest adult's bike, you should be able to get a helmet thrown in for free if you pay cash).

Look for deals on supersceded models, particularly if you're spending $500+.

Hold off buying until after Xmas if you can.

Shop for your bike shop as much as for the bike (same as buying a new dirt bike, I guess).

Don't buy a bike from Kmart/Big W/where-ever - back when I was working in the bike shop, after each Xmas, the about 50% of the work-load was services on the decent bikes that we sold, with the other 50% being the cash-cow: Fixing bodgy rubbish that came from from department stores. It was often frightening some of the things that we saw.
At least a half dozen times per year, we'd have to send the not-so-pround new bike owner to return the bike because there were large sections of weld missing from a frame or similar! The two worst bits about that is that sometimes the owner had been riding around, oblivious, and that sometimes the manager at the dept store would argue with the customer that they were supposed to be like that!

Don't buy a bike in a box, unless you KNOW how to assemble it properly (and given that you've asked, you probably don't). Mechanically speaking, virtually everyone on this forum could easily cope with building up a pushie - but knowing the tricks to the adjustments, and having the specialist tools is a real black art.
And cheap bikes (even the good quality cheap ones) often have problems straight out of the box - most shops will be happy to help you sort them out, but if they assemble the bike, then they will sort them out before you even see the bike.

Further, a decent shop will spend the time to get the bike set-up right for you.
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Re: bicycles
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2008, 11:53:42 pm »
I'm no expert, there are far more knowledgable pushie riders on this forum but as a rule of thumb, look for American made frames like GT, Giant, Mongoose, Kona, Diamondback and similar. Look for forks that are adjustable like Manitou, RockShocks, Magura, Marzocci, White Bros, DT Swiss etc. RST is a low end price fork that works well for the price as well. Look to make sure that the bike uses Shimano gearsets. I reiterate Nathan and Maicopunks warnings about buying supermarket specials. They're really dogshit. I bought a Repco from the local hock shop for $30 for the Shimano gearset and wheels and it was a real piece of crap...and it was new! The frame is made from crap steel the welds are almost non existant and the brake levers, pedals, crank and most of the parts are sub standard.The key sign to the lack of quality is the sticker warning you not to use the bike in off road situations!
Here are a few quality cheapies bikes I found tonight.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/GT-Avalanche-3-0-Mountain-Bike_W0QQitemZ130272971227QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Sport_Cycling_Bikes?hash=item130272971227&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Giant-Boulder-SE-Mountain-Bike-with-accessories_W0QQitemZ320322736742QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Sport_Cycling_Bikes?hash=item320322736742&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mongoose-Pro-Mountain-Bike_W0QQitemZ330292308974QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Sport_Cycling_Bikes?hash=item330292308974&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mongoose-Mountain-Bike_W0QQitemZ110319141510QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Sport_Cycling_Bikes?hash=item110319141510&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Here is one Chinese Cheapy that seems to have a quality frame and good components. It's a bargain so far but will go up a fair bit I reckon.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MOUNTAIN-BIKE-WITH-FRONT-SUPSPENSION-AND-DUAL-DISCS_W0QQitemZ300278426477QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Sport_Cycling_Bikes?hash=item300278426477&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
« Last Edit: December 09, 2008, 12:02:54 am by firko »


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Re: bicycles
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2008, 03:29:55 am »
My nonmotorized ride is a 2003 Gary Fisher Sugar 4+. I love this bike!

http://www.fisherbikes.com/archive/model/32


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« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2008, 04:32:32 pm »
10 speed racer have just started to ride to work a couple of times a week,  it hurts !!  you should be good sidecar ballast soon firko?

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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2008, 04:42:11 pm »
I did the sidecar passenger thing once and it frightened the shitter out of me. Unless I'm the one with the throttle in my hand I'd rather watch from a safe distance.

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« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2008, 04:50:31 pm »
I did the sidecar passenger thing once and it frightened the shitter out of me. Unless I'm the one with the throttle in my hand I'd rather watch from a safe distance.

I'm with you Firko, first time i swung i was 18 in 1981 and it scared the shit out of me too, funnily enough i went back for more so it must have been an adrenaline thing at the time. did that for a few years then got a gig to ride a KTM540 EML for 12 months in 1987 (absolutely loved that year),  one year i swung, the rider was a beginner (no solo experience either) so it frustrated me that he did not pass where he could have.

the action is with the throttle in you own hand.
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« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2008, 07:37:15 pm »
One piece of advice to all who want to use bicycling as a fitness sport. Buy clipless pedals and the proper shoes. You will be amazed at the difference and also your knees/cartledges wont wear out as fast. Because you have a power stroke all the way around the crank rather than just the down stroke. It is also not how big a gear you push but more the cadence (pedal revolutions) you can do per minute. Up around 80 or 90 will get the heart/lungs working and the calories burning, but will be less strenuous on your body joints. Always at the end of a training ride do a warm down by just letting your legs spin without any pressure being applied to the pedals to allow the lactic acid build up (the Burn) disappear and by doing that you will feel that much better after the ride and you wont feel sore in the legs. (will at least not as much) but it still doesnt stop ya getting a sore ass.
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Re: bicycles
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2008, 03:36:18 pm »
important question know one has yet asked   -could be a scary answer ,do you wear lycra?

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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2008, 04:04:33 pm »
Shoreline,
I was thinking more along the lines of the mankini for Firko ;)

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« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2008, 04:11:44 pm »
maybe the wrestling scene in borat?

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« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2008, 04:23:09 pm »
While recently in Byron Bay, where many of the rich trendy population seem to go for a morning constitutional bike ride, I was in a coffee shop having my heart starter Machiato when in walked a pair of middle aged 'dudes' who'd just parked their carbon fibre and titanium roadies out the front. Maybe you can get away with certain attire in Byron Bay that would get you a quick uppercut in Mount Druitt but these blokes took the cake. The first bloke was about 6'2" and about 110kg of muscle tone gone to seed. He was dressed in yellow tour leader, Lance Armstrong Discovery Channel team lycra race suit that was at least two sizes too small. His lack of undies displayed a less than adequate dicky and humungous balls sticking out for the world to see and in the rear, the lycra had crept right up his bum crack. That was funny enough but the other guy, an American, was about 5'8" and but the same 110kg as his mate. He was carrying quite a bit of mid life chubby fat that was aptly displayed in his multi coloured M&Ms logo Lycra racing suit. Sadly (for him) every lump of chubby was on display to the world through the  Lycra including the very same bumcrack situation as his mate. Where this guy shone beyond all expectations was after they'd paid for their 'skinny lattes to go' he got up to leave the cafe and he had a nice ripe full woody, obviously all sexed up from his big ride. Everyone in the cafe acted so mega cool (Byron Bay, old boy) and didn't bat an eylid until our lads were settled in the park accross the road to consume their coffee, comfortably out of earshot. Then, as if guided by a hidden director, we all simultaneously burst into loud, unbridled laughter, strangers united by the sight of a fat man in multi coloured Lycra with no undies and a roaring woody!

The SIMPLE answer your question...NO!....The world isn't ready for this fatboy Maico owner in a lycra suit, no matter how much weight I lose. The Mankini however still has possibilities.
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« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2008, 04:49:01 pm »
WEAR IT UNDERNEATH TILL YOU GET USED TO IT   LOL  DONT FORGET THE MONKEY BUTT POWDER  ;D