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2021 MoMS
« on: December 03, 2020, 06:51:46 AM »
The 2021 MoMS are now available on line (chapter 10 is relevant for Classic MX). Check out the new Post Classic classes (Period 20 & Revolution), then get yourselves exited & bikes prepared for the Classic Nationals (July 9/10/11) followed by the Post Classic Nationals 1 week later (July 16/17/18), both to be held at Nowra Motoplex, N.S.W, on purpose built tracks. A number of inaugural (very first) Australian champions will be crowned over both events in new title classes, so something to strive for. Put these dates on the "not to be missed" list & get ready to turn some dirt! Bring it on....
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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2020, 11:26:40 AM »
So there is no Evolution 4T only?
What is Revolution?
I can’t find either in the 2021 classes
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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2020, 06:37:47 PM »
Looks like Revolution is the same as Period 20 except revolution can be cobbled together from period bits. Not a very smart idea in my opinion as you would need to build a new bike every year to keep current. Good for the bike resto guy's I guess. I couldn't see the 4 stroke Evo either Ted. 

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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2020, 06:55:24 AM »
There is Evolution 4 stroke Ted which will be in the Classics as an Australian title for the very first time for 2021. It was due to be in the 2021 MoMS, however is still in the 2nd year of it's 2 year trial due to no Nationals this year because of Covid, all part of due process. It will be written into the supp regs as a National title class & the inaugural Evolution 4 stroke open all powers champion will be crowned in Nowra, July 2021. We fully expect Evolution 4 stroke open all powers to be written in the 2022 MoMS after the completion of a highly successful 2 year trial. The first year at Harrisville (2019) as a support class was very well supported with over 20 bikes on the start grid. We fully expect that number to markedly increase with the class being an Australian title class for 2021 & almost certainly, beyond.
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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2020, 07:06:34 AM »
Revolution class is a "catch all" class designed as a class for modified/non compliant bikes to compete in rather than go back on the trailer. Those bikes are being built (they exist now) as evidenced by the very high number of non compliant pre'95 bikes presented at the 2019 Post Classic Nationals. Revolution is listed in the MoMS as a general competition class, it is NOT an Australian title class for 2021, although may become so in the future. It will be offered as a support class for the 2021 Post Classic nationals.
Period 20 is a rolling 20 year old class which self perpetuates as the years go by. For the 2021 season it allows up to 2001 model bikes to compete. It is an Australian title class & 3 inaugural Period 20 Australian champions will be crowned in their relevant capacities at Nowra, 2021.
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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2020, 07:57:15 AM »
Michael, can you confirm if Evolution and Pre 75 will be stand alone capacity classes and not All In next year?
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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2020, 09:30:08 AM »
I can't confirm as we haven't seen the supp regs yet, sorry Ted. The hosting club has the option to run them either way, it's up to them as to which option they feel will best suit the event.
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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2020, 02:00:26 PM »
Revolution class is a "catch all" class designed as a class for modified/non compliant bikes to compete in rather than go back on the trailer. Those bikes are being built (they exist now) as evidenced by the very high number of non compliant pre'95 bikes presented at the 2019 Post Classic Nationals. Revolution is listed in the MoMS as a general competition class, it is NOT an Australian title class for 2021, although may become so in the future. It will be offered as a support class for the 2021 Post Classic nationals.
Period 20 is a rolling 20 year old class which self perpetuates as the years go by. For the 2021 season it allows up to 2001 model bikes to compete. It is an Australian title class & 3 inaugural Period 20 Australian champions will be crowned in their relevant capacities at Nowra, 2021.
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The rules still say for Revolution major parts must be 20 years old so how is that different to Period 20? Do Period 20 bikes have to be as they came from the factory and not a mix of 20 year old parts?

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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2020, 03:33:23 PM »
Was glad you asked that Sleepy. It’s got me buggered
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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2020, 07:08:28 PM »
Doesn't Revolution allow me to do something like fit 2000 model USD forks and a rear disc to my '84 CR500?
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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2020, 07:38:22 PM »
Doesn't Revolution allow me to do something like fit 2000 model USD forks and a rear disc to my '84 CR500?

Wouldn't you be be able to do that and ride it in Period 20 anyway. Can't be pre85 anymore.

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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2020, 01:05:38 AM »
It's a head scratch from me.

In Classic MX  I can ride my Pre78 bike in Evo.
I can't (with exceptions for carry overs) ride my Pre75 bike in Pre 78 because the MOMS declares only '75. 76, 77 models are elegible for Pre78.


In Post Classic my understanding was that you could always ride up. So Pre 85 in any other class so long as the capacity was OK.
The Revolution category makes sense for built bikes -like Evolution in Classic MX- but Period 20 seems to suggest that, like Pre78, it is a model year restricted.

I better print out the rules and have a read.
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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2020, 08:19:06 AM »
Period 20 is pretty self explanatory, bikes & parts 20 years old or older, yes you can mix & match within the period just as you can with all classes. Revolution is for 20 year old or older bikes with the option to fit non period (later) parts. For example if a 2001 KTM 250SX is presented in standard condition it's a period 20 bike (letter P on the race plates). If the same 2001 KTM 250SX turns up fitted with cone valve forks & Trax shock, then it's a Revolution class bike. If it's presented as Revolution class (letter R on the race plates), all good. If it's presented as Period 20, the rider will be asked to change the letter P to an R & be bumped into Revolution class. Revolution class has evolved as these bikes already exist, there were LOTS of bikes fitted with current YZF/CRF/Ohlins forks/front ends & presented as pre'90/'95 bikes at the 2019 PC Nationals. Those bikes are no longer "cheat" bikes as there is now a class for them to compete in. It also preserves the earlier classes as being period correct with now a class for non period correct bikes in which to compete (no one has to put their bike on the trailer).
There's no reason you can't ride your Period 20 bike in Revolution class if you want more seat time, so benefits all round.
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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2020, 10:00:36 AM »
Period 20 is pretty self explanatory, bikes & parts 20 years old or older, yes you can mix & match within the period just as you can with all classes. Revolution is for 20 year old or older bikes with the option to fit non period (later) parts. For example if a 2001 KTM 250SX is presented in standard condition it's a period 20 bike (letter P on the race plates). If the same 2001 KTM 250SX turns up fitted with cone valve forks & Trax shock, then it's a Revolution class bike. If it's presented as Revolution class (letter R on the race plates), all good. If it's presented as Period 20, the rider will be asked to change the letter P to an R & be bumped into Revolution class. Revolution class has evolved as these bikes already exist, there were LOTS of bikes fitted with current YZF/CRF/Ohlins forks/front ends & presented as pre'90/'95 bikes at the 2019 PC Nationals. Those bikes are no longer "cheat" bikes as there is now a class for them to compete in. It also preserves the earlier classes as being period correct with now a class for non period correct bikes in which to compete (no one has to put their bike on the trailer).
There's no reason you can't ride your Period 20 bike in Revolution class if you want more seat time, so benefits all round.
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So your saying that Revolution bikes are free to use non-major components form outside the 20 year period and from what I see from the list that would be forks, brakes, wheels and shocks.
Still don't like the Period 20 thing as it will kill the resale for restored P20 bikes as the next year no one will want the obsolete model when next years bike is deemed to be better. With all other classes if you build as mentioned by Momus an 84 CR500 it will always be the gun bike in Pre85 and in 20 years time it will still be worth something but who will want a period 20 bike in 20 years times when it has to race against 20 year younger bikes.

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Re: 2021 MoMS
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2020, 10:40:54 AM »
The rules are able to be updated as has always been the case. If in a few years there is an issue with Period 20 (say a 1996 model) becoming too outdated someone could submit a proposal that a Pre2005 Class be introduced, If accepted it would stand alone and Period 20 would continue as defined. Your point re people wanting the latest model compliant with the class has always been the case but a large number also ride bikes not considered to be the ultimate for their era. Many choose because of nostalgia, cost, etc rather than the perceive latest and greatest. As Mick says these P20 and REVolution bikes are out there now being ridden in Pre95. Clubs have been unable or unwilling to control this. These rules combined with tightening eligibility criterior will hopefully stabilise Pre85/90/95 and give what have been referred to as cheaters a legit class.