EVO GUIDELINES

[John Orchard]

GMC made the point better than anyone else has so far:
"Classes are meant to be for grouping together bikes of a similar spec/performance/age".

This is why "FrankenBike Evo" is so offensive and ridiculous - it only meets one of those criteria, and only in a superficial way.

Yes the "spec" is 'aircooled, drum brake, non linkage' ...... Who say's the classes are 'meant' to group similar performance; sounds like an interpretation of a few?

[Ted]

It seems funny to me that you guys that wanted open slather for EVO, and getting it,  are now refusing to ride that class. This is what you blokes wanted all along. Why wouldn't you'se now turn up.

It will be very interesting to see what clubs run the Evolution class under the 2016 MoMS interpretation.

bet the VCM and VIPER down here run these eminently sensible and flexible rules without a hitch. I'll predict that the bigger range of cheaper parts that can be used will result in more bikes and more entries.

Is a 84 CR, RM or KX 500 motor cheaper than a 78 YZ 400 motor?

Is a 86/87/88 fork, brakes and wheel cheaper than a 78/79/80 front end?

[211]

What forks are they Ted?
Examples of the 86 87 88 forks please - Evo legal only please. You know - forks that are designed for a drum brake.
 

[Ted]

Pick any fork you like.

No where in the Evo rules does it say drum brake designed fork only.

What it says is an Evo bike must remain WITHIN the Classic/Post Classic era, which any fork manufactured before 1990 does.

[skypig]

GMC made the point better than anyone else has so far:
"Classes are meant to be for grouping together bikes of a similar spec/performance/age".

This is why "FrankenBike Evo" is so offensive and ridiculous - it only meets one of those criteria, and only in a superficial way.

Yes the "spec" is 'aircooled, drum brake, non linkage' ...... Who say's the classes are 'meant' to group similar performance; sounds like an interpretation of a few?

If classes aren't meant to group similar performance, what are they for?

[211]

Pick any fork you like.

No where in the Evo rules does it say drum brake designed fork only.

What it says is an Evo bike must remain WITHIN the Classic/Post Classic era, which any fork manufactured before 1990 does.

Bullshit

[worms]

i started this post as a genuine ideas for a very defined age bracket for EVO, 1978 to 1982.

no bike or component built after 1982 should even be consider as EVO, it just becomes pre85 or pre 90.

the concept at the time of evolution was brilliant, but with the introduction of more classes, it has muddied the waters.

lets use the KISS factor and move on.

[bigk]

There are plenty of true EVO bikes built after 1982. Standard, air cooled, drum braked, non linkage bikes so the 1982 year cut off is not a workable option IMO. I personally think the EVO rules are fine as they are unless you are a pundit for nth degree rulings & like a debate. A KISS common sense approach (as has been applied by most) works for the majority of EVO riders.
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[Nathan S]

There are plenty of true EVO bikes built after 1982.

A few Huskies, the 85+ DT175 and what else? TS185s and XL185s and the CZs are carry-over models. If we're writing rules to suit half a dozen bikes (one of which was never intended to be anything like an MX bike), then it makes far more sense to mention them specifically.

Nobody has ever wanted "standard" bikes in Evo, BTW.

[Nathan S]

Glad to know you are the judge on all things wise Nathan........

Where does the FrankenBike Evo class come from?
Do you even ride/restore/own an Evo bike Nathan?
Or are you just jumping on board with Ted?

Thank you.

1. From the freedoms of the current version of the rules.
2. There are two Evo-legal bikes in the shed, but I walked away from the Evo class because I didn't want to be part of the shit fight. I will return to the class once the rules are clear and I am confident that that I won't be racing with historically irrelevant FrankenBikes or involved wit any sort of eligibility shitstorm.
3. If anything, Ted has jumped on board with me.

[John Orchard]

I guess we all have different ideas about what Evo should be, based on what we have spent time & money on in the garage  :-)  I guess we just need confirmation as to the true meaning of any grey areas, then all this crap will stop and we'll get on and build a bike to ride :-)

[William Doe]

Less personalities would really help this move forward I think.


Rossco

Agree 100% personalities and Egos are the problem .

So many interpretations and possibilities also make this class a nightmare , at least on here .



 

[William Doe]

Nek minut it seems an Evo bike can be built with parts from all sorts of models and it apparently had always been that way, much to the surprise of those that had gone out of their way to buy KDX 400 motors when all along they could have just used any old KX 420 engine or those that had paid good money for H model Yamaha forks in the belief that they were one of the best Evo legal forks.

Class's are meant to be for grouping together bikes of similar spec/performance/age

Hmmmm sort of; The guy that bought the rare YZ465 forks then fitted '89 internals because he had the money, or the guy that fitted the KDX400 engine fitted with 420 & 450 internals turning it into a factory 443, making it much more potent than a stock 420?

The reality is that it is virtually impossible to police what's inside forks or a motor, doesn't make it right but there has to be a cut off. If it looks right from the outside let it go, the old but its cheaper to fit later model forks don't cut it for me . If your on a budget deal with it don't expect the rules changed to suit your budget 

Opening the class up to later model components makes the class cheaper because one does not have to find rare & overpriced components that comply (eg: set of YZ 43mm forks or KDX400 engine).  This makes it cheaper & easier to build an Evo bike; there will then be many more bikes on the track.

Again its not about what you can afford its about recreating an era . A half decent rider will clean up all those freakshow hybrids on a barn find stocker

I am sick of all this crap over Evo, I for one will NOT be entering an Evo class race until it allows 'Pre 85' components; END OF (MY) STORY  :-)

[Nathan S]

Can anyone put their hand on their heart and say that this has been handled well by MA?

[William Doe]

Class's are meant to be for grouping together bikes of similar spec/performance/age

Opening the class up to later model components makes the class cheaper because one does not have to find rare & overpriced components that comply (eg: set of YZ 43mm forks or KDX400 engine).  This makes it cheaper & easier to build an Evo bike; there will then be many more bikes on the track.



I am sick of all this crap over Evo, I for one will NOT be entering an Evo class race until it allows 'Pre 85' components; END OF (MY) STORY  :-)

 Sorry John, but having pre85 components allowed is just wrong in my view. Only for the fact that most pre85 bikes were water cooled and had disc brakes. Any twin shock bike with a disc brake front end just looks wrong! It isn't in with the "era" of drum brakes, air cooled, twin shock (non linkage Yamaha) Evo class bikes, even if an adaptor is made to fit drum brakes.

Agreed

 I get a buzz out of building a hybrid from a whole mish mash of parts. It's a real challenge and not as easy as just bolting it all together in the hope it will work.

There is a real satisfaction in that for sure
 
 And no, I don't butcher perfectly good old motorcycles to build a hybrid, I just use the salvageable parts that get collected over the years. The only modern parts I use are the "consumeables" and rear shocks. Even with shocks I try to use period aftermarket stuff.

The thing I don't get about the rule nazi's is this........Did anyone argue with Aberg, Hallam, C&J, Champion, Metisse etc. when they rolled up to a race meeting with a bike from outside the box?

No but of course they were working to create the best with what was available at the time . They were not trying to recreate  a certain era for historic racing, also they were creating history not reliving it   

 Answer is NO! Point is, does it really matter if your young gun is going to beat all the old boys on their specials when he is on a 100% correct (insert heavily modified modern internals)YZ465? Oh, there is the $10 trophy to take home. You don't even get your name in print anymore, the MoMs is online now......

 I don't give two flyin flucks what bike I am riding against.....as long as it looks right from 10 feet (insert metric if you have to) away. My days of racing for glory are well and truly behind me so I choose to ride old bikes and just want to have some fun with someone around my ability and talk crap with a beverage or 2 after the racing is done.

The 10 foot rule is a great concept , but some have better eyesight than others and others only use one eye. I Love the socialising but still love the racing ( will race anything) but if there are rules make them clear and enforceable .

 I will race classic MX (pre78) national events but I can't be bothered with all the (racing for airports) bull crap that is going on with Evo at the moment. It can only lead to a bad day out with all the arguing about what is eligible and what isn't. I have no interest in anything after Evo these days, apart from my trail bike, so driving all the way to Timbuctoo to have someone whinge in my ear that I can't ride my bike because it has 43mm conventional Showa forks on it and an aftermarket swingarm. Then I'd have to ride my 4st twin shock, drum brake, aircooled hybrid in pre90 because ............? No! I will not pay $70 to argue my case that my bike is eligible.

Makes no sense to me at all