EVO GUIDELINES

[supersenior 50]

Greg, your figures on your club events confirms what I was illustrating, that Evolution is alive and well.
Congratulations on your successful revival of Pre75 etc.
When is Gloucester, as I enjoyed it last year on my old Twinport and would like to get a few of our old bikes down.

[mboddy]

Heaven can run their own EVO rules for their own race meetings. No-one is forcing them to run MA EVO rules.
PCRA(NSW) ran their own P6 Unlimited road racing rules when MA published P6 rules that were unacceptable to the PCRA members.

[HeavenVMX]

Greg, your figures on your club events confirms what I was illustrating, that Evolution is alive and well.
Congratulations on your successful revival of Pre75 etc.
When is Gloucester, as I enjoyed it last year on my old Twinport and would like to get a few of our old bikes down.

The point of your post was that the Qld titles and classic/Post Classic Nationals are the best barometer of CMX health. Which, when you look at the numbers just does not add up.

Pre75 was strong in 2013 & 2014 numbers increased in 2015 is it an aberration? 2016 & 2017 will tell. One result does not make a trend.

Just ask the NSW NRL state of origin team

mbobby you are correct

[Nathan S]

Heaven can run their own EVO rules for their own race meetings. No-one is forcing them to run MA EVO rules.
PCRA(NSW) ran their own P6 Unlimited road racing rules when MA published P6 rules that were unacceptable to the PCRA members.

I do recall *someone* inviting forum members to report any club that dared to deviate from the MA rules for their club days.
No idea what he thought he could do, but he was clearly wrong.

[GMC]

Once upon a time Evo bikes were thought to be made up from major parts from other original spec Evo models.
You could build a hybrid bike from parts from other original Evo bikes just like you could build a Pre85 bike from parts from other Pre 85 models.
Not everyone agreed with this thinking but at least everyone knew where they stood in regards to what parts they could use.
Nek minut it seems an Evo bike can be built with parts from all sorts of models and it apparently had always been that way, much to the surprise of those that had gone out of their way to buy KDX 400 motors when all along they could have just used any old KX 420 engine or those that had paid good money for H model Yamaha forks in the belief that they were one of the best Evo legal forks.

Seems also that most liked how it used to be and an XR 600 motor in a Husky/KTM twinshock frame might make a good hybrid but it shouldn't be competing with guys on 81 models let alone 78 models.

Class's are meant to be for grouping together bikes of similar spec/performance/age

[HeavenVMX]

Once upon a time Evo bikes were thought to be made up from major parts from other original spec Evo models.
You could build a hybrid bike from parts from other original Evo bikes just like you could build a Pre85 bike from parts from other Pre 85 models.
Not everyone agreed with this thinking but at least everyone knew where they stood in regards to what parts they could use.
Nek minut it seems an Evo bike can be built with parts from all sorts of models and it apparently had always been that way, much to the surprise of those that had gone out of their way to buy KDX 400 motors when all along they could have just used any old KX 420 engine or those that had paid good money for H model Yamaha forks in the belief that they were one of the best Evo legal forks.

Seems also that most liked how it used to be and an XR 600 motor in a Husky/KTM twinshock frame might make a good hybrid but it shouldn't be competing with guys on 81 models let alone 78 models.

Class's are meant to be for grouping together bikes of similar spec/performance/age

Get out of here That is way way way way way way too logical.

[John Orchard]

Nek minut it seems an Evo bike can be built with parts from all sorts of models and it apparently had always been that way, much to the surprise of those that had gone out of their way to buy KDX 400 motors when all along they could have just used any old KX 420 engine or those that had paid good money for H model Yamaha forks in the belief that they were one of the best Evo legal forks.

Class's are meant to be for grouping together bikes of similar spec/performance/age

Hmmmm sort of; The guy that bought the rare YZ465 forks then fitted '89 internals because he had the money, or the guy that fitted the KDX400 engine fitted with 420 & 450 internals turning it into a factory 443, making it much more potent than a stock 420?

Opening the class up to later model components makes the class cheaper because one does not have to find rare & overpriced components that comply (eg: set of YZ 43mm forks or KDX400 engine).  This makes it cheaper & easier to build an Evo bike; there will then be many more bikes on the track.

I am sick of all this crap over Evo, I for one will NOT be entering an Evo class race until it allows 'Pre 85' components; END OF (MY) STORY  :-)

[FourstrokeForever]

Class's are meant to be for grouping together bikes of similar spec/performance/age

Opening the class up to later model components makes the class cheaper because one does not have to find rare & overpriced components that comply (eg: set of YZ 43mm forks or KDX400 engine).  This makes it cheaper & easier to build an Evo bike; there will then be many more bikes on the track.

AGREE 100%

I am sick of all this crap over Evo, I for one will NOT be entering an Evo class race until it allows 'Pre 85' components; END OF (MY) STORY  :-)

 Sorry John, but having pre85 components allowed is just wrong in my view. Only for the fact that most pre85 bikes were water cooled and had disc brakes. Any twin shock bike with a disc brake front end just looks wrong! It isn't in with the "era" of drum brakes, air cooled, twin shock (non linkage Yamaha) Evo class bikes, even if an adaptor is made to fit drum brakes.

 I get a buzz out of building a hybrid from a whole mish mash of parts. It's a real challenge and not as easy as just bolting it all together in the hope it will work.
 
 And no, I don't butcher perfectly good old motorcycles to build a hybrid, I just use the salvageable parts that get collected over the years. The only modern parts I use are the "consumeables" and rear shocks. Even with shocks I try to use period aftermarket stuff.

The thing I don't get about the rule nazi's is this........Did anyone argue with Aberg, Hallam, C&J, Champion, Metisse etc. when they rolled up to a race meeting with a bike from outside the box? Answer is NO! Point is, does it really matter if your young gun is going to beat all the old boys on their specials when he is on a 100% correct (insert heavily modified modern internals)YZ465? Oh, there is the $10 trophy to take home. You don't even get your name in print anymore, the MoMs is online now......

 I don't give two flyin flucks what bike I am riding against.....as long as it looks right from 10 feet (insert metric if you have to) away. My days of racing for glory are well and truly behind me so I choose to ride old bikes and just want to have some fun with someone around my ability and talk crap with a beverage or 2 after the racing is done.

 I will race classic MX (pre78) national events but I can't be bothered with all the (racing for airports) bull crap that is going on with Evo at the moment. It can only lead to a bad day out with all the arguing about what is eligible and what isn't. I have no interest in anything after Evo these days, apart from my trail bike, so driving all the way to Timbuctoo to have someone whinge in my ear that I can't ride my bike because it has 43mm conventional Showa forks on it and an aftermarket swingarm. Then I'd have to ride my 4st twin shock, drum brake, aircooled hybrid in pre90 because ............? No! I will not pay $70 to argue my case that my bike is eligible.

Makes no sense to me at all

[g465b]

 the evo class is a wonderful thing and so f#cking simple, comply with an external appearance that follows the twinshock/non linkage
air cooled and drum brakes of the era,you can modify stuff to your hearts content internally because its not policed.
my wonderful H 81' model yamaha can be ridden in evo and pre 85', my 4 stroke twin shock evo bike can be ridden in evo,pre85' and
4 stroke classes and age classes,  shit loads of ride time available.  alas some cant tolerate an even playing field ,  did these people
sign there 12 year old kids to play in under 7's sport.  keep vmx simple , it will help not hinder this great thing.   happy 2016 to all ?

[Ted]

It seems funny to me that you guys that wanted open slather for EVO, and getting it,  are now refusing to ride that class. This is what you blokes wanted all along. Why wouldn't you'se now turn up.

It will be very interesting to see what clubs run the Evolution class under the 2016 MoMS interpretation.

[FourstrokeForever]

Stop wording subjects to twist it to your desired outcome Ted.

I can't ever recall anyone wanting Evo to be "open slather". As for me, I'm so far from wanting open slather that I can't see the trees through the forest.

Besides, if you read the rules there is no open slather.

I don't want to attend post classic national events with people who look for any reason to lodge a protest against another bike. It doesn't seem to be in the spirit of friendship and a good time to me so I don't see the point in spending 2 days on the road to go somewhere where there is a very big risk of some zealot ruining my day!

[Ted]

Believe me there will never be a protest at a Nats under this interpretation. How could you possibly protest something that you cannot understand. Anyway, if your bike is illegal you will be told " if you win and somebody protests I will have to disqualify you " now on your way.

[Momus]

It seems funny to me that you guys that wanted open slather for EVO, and getting it,  are now refusing to ride that class. This is what you blokes wanted all along. Why wouldn't you'se now turn up.

It will be very interesting to see what clubs run the Evolution class under the 2016 MoMS interpretation.

bet the VCM and VIPER down here run these eminently sensible and flexible rules without a hitch. I'll predict that the bigger range of cheaper parts that can be used will result in more bikes and more entries.

[Nathan S]

GMC made the point better than anyone else has so far:
"Classes are meant to be for grouping together bikes of a similar spec/performance/age".

This is why "FrankenBike Evo" is so offensive and ridiculous - it only meets one of those criteria, and only in a superficial way.

[FourstrokeForever]

Glad to know you are the judge on all things wise Nathan........

Where does the FrankenBike Evo class come from?
Do you even ride/restore/own an Evo bike Nathan?
Or are you just jumping on board with Ted?

Believe me there will never be a protest at a Nats under this interpretation. How could you possibly protest something that you cannot understand. Anyway, if your bike is illegal you will be told " if you win and somebody protests I will have to disqualify you " now on your way.

In one breath you say there will be no protests at a nats and the next breath a protest is likely if I win. Make up your mind.
Just for the record, the chances of me winning anything on an Evo are very slim, unless I'm sitting on my bike around the fire at days end with a couple of bevies in my system!

bet the VCM and VIPER down here run these eminently sensible and flexible rules without a hitch. I'll predict that the bigger range of cheaper parts that can be used will result in more bikes and more entries.

I won't be betting against you Marcus