EVO GUIDELINES

[Paulos]

IT AINT THAT HARD, evo can be year based, still with the general guidelines of oem, 1978 to 1982. if it dosent fit that it's pre 85 or then it fits pre 90. it's got to be year based, simple.

lets just race bikes as they were raced in the day, it's only the wankers that is stuffing it up. why cant people just accept the word NO and move to the next class. year based and it solved.

anyway, merry christmas.

Worms

Love your work

[09.0]

Cut off dates for EVO now Might as well get rid of pre '78 and EVO and just run a pre '80 class....
Pre '75, Pre '80, Pre '85 and so on....
Would get rid of this ongoing bollocks and one less class to run on a race day. Oh wait the poor Mega 2 riders would have to ride pre '85, so that'll never happen.

Because clearly the Maico is an evo bike. Same as a 465 h.

The best year cut off is pre '81.
Then name the exceptions.
e.g. '81 maico's, up to '84 Husky's , up to '92(?) CZ's, up to (?) Montesa's, '81 yz465 and 250 etc.

[evo550]

Cut off dates for EVO now Might as well get rid of pre '78 and EVO and just run a pre '80 class....
Pre '75, Pre '80, Pre '85 and so on....
Would get rid of this ongoing bollocks and one less class to run on a race day. Oh wait the poor Mega 2 riders would have to ride pre '85, so that'll never happen.

Because clearly the Maico is an evo bike. Same as a 465 h.

Not if "EVO" no longer exists...

[Ted]

The thing that most are not seeing in the 2016 Evolution class rules are the words " all machines must be within the Classic and Post Classic eras. At this point in time it means anything up to Pre 90. In a couple of years time when Pre 95 is in the MoMS Evo will effectively move five years further forward. Then five years later when Pre 2000 arrives Evo will leapfrog another five years. It will be an ever evolving class.
Hardly historic racing.

[sleepy]

The thing that most are not seeing in the 2016 Evolution class rules are the words " all machines must be within the Classic and Post Classic eras. At this point in time it means anything up to Pre 90. In a couple of years time when Pre 95 is in the MoMS Evo will effectively move five years further forward. Then five years later when Pre 2000 arrives Evo will leapfrog another five years. It will be an ever evolving class.
Hardly historic racing.

With logic like that we are all doomed. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

[Ted]

You didn't understand the repercussions back then and you still don't understand them now.

[skypig]

Too much bickering about rules.

Let's use the Internet for what it was designed for:
Info about squish band mods on big bore two strokes and looking at girls.

[Rossvickicampbell]

I am not as up to speed on this as many are on this forum but essentially agree with what Brad - and others - have said.  Why cannot EVO be as per the current rules, an era applied (be that pre 81, 82 or 85) and specific bikes post that named and allowed as occurs for the other classes.  Sounds simple and certainly gets away from Ted's doom and gloom that it will continue with each 5 year allocation and the rules not be changed to restrict it?

[bazza]

Ross vikicampbell and Brad stop talking sense or the thread will dry up!!!lol

[shelpi]

you could put another class in and let it self regulate - if you get lots of bikes - great - if not then..................................

thats all Im saying, let the builders have the problem and let us get on with
pre65
pre70
pre75
pre78
pre 82 ish
pre85
pre90
I dont think its that hard if they build bikes that dont fit then they will have to build a class, if that wont happen, then dont build wierd stuff and think you can race it!

[Gippslander]

Was with a couple of old Scramble rider mates at a Boxing day BBQ, question was asked......

Question:  Are the VMXers who are not happy with the "new" MA Evo rules active riders that are interested in working on old bikes and lining up at the starting gate for a "have a go" ride with mates or are they trophy hunters that are worried a "special" might take the Gold?

And we did not consider the imaginary problem of "good ol' bikes" being cut up because in the main the "specials" that would now seem possible would not be built using pre 82 (or Euro carryover) components.

And a special we saw as an easy and economical build would be say a twin shock 84 Husky WR with the water cooled motor replaced by a pre 90 air cooled XR motor and cartridge late 80 Honda conventional forks with a drum brake slotted in, and someone may set us straight but that would seem ok under the current Evo rules.

[HeavenVMX]

That sounds like an excellent and economical Pre90 bike.

If you are not worried about results just riding with your mates then what is wrong with riding it in the class that it fits which is Pre90.

It does not represent any bike that could have been built earlier than say 1986/7 and therefore belongs in Pre90.

Would your imaginary bike be any cheaper than say a '78/9 Husky frame etc, 1979/80 Yamaha/Honda forks and wheels with a 1979/80 XR/XL500 Honda engine which would fit more easily into the general understanding of an EVO bike

[supersenior 50]

Just a few statistics regarding the Evo class over the last couple of years.
Qld Classic & Post Classic C'ship 2013 -2014 a 34% increase in Evo entries, 2015 slight increase
Qld    "            "        "         "    2015  Evo is biggest class followed by Pre75, then Pre90, Pre78, Pre85
Aust Post Classic C'ship 2015 Bendigo Evo is the biggest Class followed by Pre90 then Pre85
Conondale Classic  2015  Pre90 is biggest followed by Pre85 then Evo all fairly close followed with a big gap to Pre 95, Pre75, Pre78 If you combine Evo and Twinshock (only counting once these who entered both) , Evo eligible bikes were the biggest number.
Mountain Man  2015  biggest Pre90, then Evo, Pre78, Pre85, Pre75, Pre95.
These will not necessarily reflect the national situation, although Bendigo was a national event, the Qld titles attract a few visitors, Conondale Classic and Mountain Man enjoyed good visitor numbers.
National and Qld tile events are a truer representation of where the average punters stand as they don't have paid or VIP free entries and few "hired guns" as do the Conondale Classic and Mountain Man where the emphasis is on the later bikes
Before everyone jumps in, these stats are taken from the printed programs, no criticism re the three event examples is intended nor implied. They are quite different events each with their own merits.
I am also not commenting on rules.
I am pointing out that regardless of individuals viewpoint, and the dire warnings on this forum, Evolution is alive and well.
It is what it is, and for the good of the big picture I hope the riders will support the Post Classic Nats and lay a strong foundation for the future.

[HeavenVMX]

People seem to think this EVO thing is about trophy hunters or someone gaining an advantage by fitting 1989 forks and such. While this has something to do with it it's not the main issue.

It is mainly about our sport. Our sport is based on recreating a period of racing. Evolution is that period between first generation long travel bikes which is Pre78 and when the new technology of water cooling, linkage suspension and/or disc brakes became the norm - Pre85. This did not happen on a set date unfortunately.

It is an unfortunate twist of how Classic MX progressed that the Evolution class never had a cut off date assigned. Does anyone really think that if we introduced classes with a clean sheet in 2015, from scratch, would we have Evolution as it is being proposed for 2016? I would be shocked if we did.

[HeavenVMX]

Col, If the Nationals are a true indication of our sport then going on the most recent Post Classic entries (riders) we are in serious serious trouble!

That is not having a go at anyone just reality using your position.

Statistic dam statistics. You can make them represent almost anything. How many NSW riders entered the most recent Classic Nationals? Does that indicate that classic racing is dead in NSW? NO! There were up to 26 Pre75 riders on the grid for an All Powers race this year in our club.

How many NSW riders entered EVO at the 2015 Nationals? Heaven VMX had 47 EVO riders (>55 bikes) enter at Dargle mid year?

Going on National entry statistics it would be impossible to deduce anything other than the fact entry (rider) numbers are completely unstable. Certainly it would be a risk to use them as any form a prediction.

I am not trying to debate the correctness or otherwise of your percentages but to try and suggest one or two meetings is more or less representative of our sport is just completely false.

Certainly Heaven VMX has seen an increase this year in Pre75 and Pre78 entries and a steady increase in Pre90 entries. Pre85 surprisingly has had a slight decline while Evolution remains our largest but relatively static (numbers wise) class. Therefore on a percentage bases using your grounds of analysis Pre85 is dying quickly, Evolution is declining and Pre75/78 is booming. Meanwhile Pre90 is just going crazy as it started from zero in 2014 in our club.

Statistics dam Statistics