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Offline pokey

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Claiming Rule
« on: July 22, 2014, 05:39:45 pm »
On a different place I just read about the AMA  Claiming rule where in the interest of an even playing fields a competitor could claim another riders bike  upon presenting a cheque for a set standard amount and the claim form.
Can you imagine picking up Marty Tripes RC250  for a song?

 Have we ever had that situation on Oz or even the rule?

 


you can read about it here

http://www.mxworksbike.com/index.php/history/mx-history/116-the-ama-claiming-rule-controversy
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2014, 05:58:59 pm »
No that was a US only rule for a couple of years.
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2014, 06:24:32 pm »
Which year did they bring in the production bike only rule in?
The rule seems to have some large loopholes with the top teams running factory forks that aren't available to anyone else
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2014, 06:52:43 pm »
From my often shaky memory in 1976 Yamaha had a watercooled 125 OW27  that Hannah was riding there was a claim made but lost as Hannah made a counter claim and by luck only won  , Yamaha quickly got the bike out of the US and it was then raced in Europe for the rest of the season . Iain
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2014, 06:58:48 pm »
From 84 Yamaha was running stock bikes in the US  supercross  .
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2014, 08:06:59 pm »
AMA Production rule was 1986.
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2014, 09:01:52 pm »
Quote from: tony27 on July 22, 2014, 06:24:32 pm
Which year did they bring in the production bike only rule in?
The rule seems to have some large loopholes with the top teams running factory forks that aren't available to anyone else
The production rule only required use of production frame, swingarm and engine cases, IIRC.
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2014, 09:02:24 pm »
Quote from: iainyz on July 22, 2014, 06:52:43 pm
From my often shaky memory in 1976 Yamaha had a watercooled 125 OW27  that Hannah was riding there was a claim made but lost as Hannah made a counter claim and by luck only won  , Yamaha quickly got the bike out of the US and it was then raced in Europe for the rest of the season . Iain
You are thinking of Marty Smiths type2 Honda, after a claiming attempt it was parked and Marty rode a fmf  modified CR125.
Hannah rode the water cooled OW all year..
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2014, 09:22:36 pm »
Hannah did not ride the water cooled bike all season. Yamaha got scared after the attempted claim on the YZ and switched to air cooled and then later switched back to water cooled again later in the season.
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2014, 09:31:26 pm »
Yes, didnt the water cooled Hannah bike get ridden by Rond in Europe
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2014, 09:53:03 pm »
Quote from: r4brightred on July 22, 2014, 09:22:36 pm
Hannah did not ride the water cooled bike all season. Yamaha got scared after the attempted claim on the YZ and switched to air cooled and then later switched back to water cooled again later in the season.
Really? I was unaware of that only remember Honda taking Smiths new bike from him..

Ok just read in Hannahs book that Mickey Boone tried to claim Bob's bike in 76 so they went to the old aircooled engine for a couple of rounds at the same time Smith rode a modified production CR125 and Suzuki put LaPorte back on a RM125 instead of his factory RA125..
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2014, 10:00:19 pm »
I vaguely remember someone did manage to claim a bike under the rule.  He was given hell by everyone else and did get much help after it.  I think they changed to rule after that.  Also the AMA Superbikes had a claiming rule on the forks.  Someone claimed Mat Mladin's forks.  I don't think the forks were much use when handed over.
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2014, 10:14:54 pm »
Quote from: KTM47 on July 22, 2014, 10:00:19 pm
I vaguely remember someone did manage to claim a bike under the rule.  He was given hell by everyone else and did get much help after it.  I think they changed to rule after that.  Also the AMA Superbikes had a claiming rule on the forks.  Someone claimed Mat Mladin's forks.  I don't think the forks were much use when handed over.
That was John Roeder who claimed Marty Tripes 79 RC250
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2014, 10:16:53 pm »
an interesting story followed the claiming rule-[/URL][URL=http://s1284.photobucket.com/user/gbankier/media/rc003_zps46465cb4.jpg.html][/URL]
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Re: Claiming Rule
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2014, 01:09:02 am »
Lots of interesting stories about the claiming rule era.  I read that all the Japanese factories got together and agreed that every time some Privateer put in a claim they would all put in a claim for that bike and then give it back to the Factory that owned it, so every "Claimer" only had a 1 in 5 chance of winning.  Looks like Roeder got lucky! (I believe he had lost the week before.)
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