joyce was "skinning" quantas to bash the unions and reduce the impact of old workplace practises, fat salaries, push jobs away and market Jetstar hard (union free to a degree and better profit).
virgin has skittled his plan with strong competition and brought it to a serious financial situation
instead of facing the music as failed directors, they have gone bleating to the aussie public for a handout to "keep us (in fat salaries ) alive" as an aussie icon!
it needs to be shot and rebirthed by others is my view.