Rulebook adjustments

[2 shocks]

Hey Magoo, As we dont have a GCR rule book, can you please define what constitutes a Pre 85 Bike, ie Build Dates

[Lozza]

My take on your question Bahnsy is basicaly yes to all. As aftermarket USDSimmons forks were around in the day, aftermaket conventional forks should pose any problems.If I opened up a magazine from the era would we look at adverts extoliing the virtues of some hot up part for your particular bike?The difference with an some period aftermarket part and todays repro aftermarket part is anyone can buy the repro.

[holeshot buddy]

i think the rules need a bit af work
like magoo said
firstly there should be no ride up in other classes
i still cant believe this happened 
so technically i could ride my rm370
in pre78 open evo open and pre85 open
so why do i need a shed full of bikes
i think if you want to ride a maico 490
in pre 85 thats ok but you must nominate for that class only
not evo as well i dont care who you are
the pre 85 rules have just been added to gcrs
and they were kept basic oem was left out
and i think it should be out of evo as well
i think an age limit for bike on evo and pre 85 is a good idea
the only other sticky point in early bikes is pre78
suspension travel at 9 inches when nearly all the euro bikes
were 9 and a half to ten inches standard
which technically means they have to reduce ther travel
this is a good starting point everyone should get on and suggest
some ideas

[D project]

Why can't we just leave the bike's as they were when they left the factory and be happy with that.Do all these mod's make us that much quicker.Don't we get any enjoyment out of seeing the bikes as they once were and the great memories they give us.Sure it probably makes the bikes easier and quicker to ride,but can't you just do that on a modern or in a later class.

[E74]

You could adjust the rule book everytime you go for a poo, just tear some pages out and wipe ya' ass with it!...

[magoo]

I agree with most of what you guys are saying. OEM to me is rediculous because to take it to the enth degree, assuming you beat a certain couple of Western Australians, if you have a bog stock standard YZ250H with a DG muffler and you beat them in the Nationals they will protest you and you're gone, your bike is not OEM. In the bin with OEM.

As for a late model CZ, so what, there is no performance advantage over bikes 20 years older so if someone turns up on one I'd welcome the interesting machine.

Pre '85 has a cut off date of 31st December, 1984 and the bike must be designated a 1984 model and have. A 1984 Husky qualifies for Evo because it is a twin shocker, air cooled drum brake jobbie.

I'm reasonably open to later parts being fitted to evo bikes but the problem is where do you draw the line. It's legal to put $3,000 Fox Forx on your bike but not legal to put $200 1983 forks on, I can see both sides to this argument. The only time this is a problem is at National events. In Queensland and N.S.W. no-one cares what forks you run but in Victoria it is a different story. I believe in the "Spirit of the Era" but who's the judge? I'm sure we've all got dffering opinions on that.

Good on you Bahnsy, what you posted is a great, well thought out post. More of that will be really helpful.

[magoo]

As for there being bugger all bikes in Pre '85 open if you remove the evo bikes, you'd have Hondas from 1981 up, Kwakas from the same, Yammies from 1982 on etc, etc. There are heaps of eligible bikes, the open class world didn't stop at the 1981 Maico 490.

[BAHNZY]

2008 GCR Manual Of Motorsport
18.7.11 E volution Class- General
18.7.11.1 Evolution class shall be run as a national championship and can be independent of other classic Motocross classes.
18.7.12 Evolution Class- Eligibility
18.7.12.1 Bikes will be OEM.
18.7.12.2 Modifications converting later equipment to comply will not be allowed
18.7.12.3 All components will be of the period the machine was manufactured.
a) No linkage suspension,
b) No Disc brakes,
c) Air cooled motors.
18.7.13 Evolution Class- Classes
a) Solo 125cc,
b) Solo 250cc,
c) Solo 263cc and over.
18.7.13.1 No age-group classes will be run.

18.7.14 Pre 1985 class
18.7.14.1 Pre 85 class can be run as a National Championship, and can be independent of other classes
18.7.14.2 Pre 85 eligibility. Acceptable machines for pre 85 are machines built up to and including the 1984 models. The only exception to this GCR is where the model remains unaltered after this date. The onus of proof of eligibility shall rest wholly on the rider or entrant of this machine
18.7.14.3 Modifications using later equipment are not allowed.
18.7.14.4 All components will be of the period the machine was manufactured
18.7.14.5 Classes
(a) Solo 125cc
(b) Solo 250cc
(c) Solo 263cc and over
18.7.14.6 No age group classes will be run.

[mxmaniac]

Hey magoo.. the big bore world did end with the 81 490 maico.. well, for maico it did anyway! they were shit and fell off the radar after that i heard. 
Fun is the name of the game Macca, As long as we all have fun, see good racing, stay safe and have a laugh, Im satisfied!
The other bull shit about protesting about how Joe blogs is riding like Bubba stewart due to his new after market power band and Ohlins forks doesn't interest me personally. I have been flogged by green bikes that bubba would like to ride  , fat blokes, skinny blokes, hybrids and the like and couldn't give two hoots! good luck to them..too me its the rider not just the bike.
If not already, When there is something in the rulebook that states which "one" class the twin shock drum brake maico husky ktm yammy etc can ride in, yell out so we know which one too go in. That way everyone is happy and there's no questions.
I think Bahnsys onto something with the 77 to 82 evo thing..
I think this means we need to get a pre85 bike upto scratch for next year..

I have never see a rule book before, what does OEM stand for?



 

[BAHNZY]

MXManiac,
The terms OE & OEM are acronyms for,
OE - Original Equipment
OEM - Original Equipment Manafacturer

In simple terms, a bike that is designated OEM, means that the only parts permitted to be fitted can be the parts as made avalaible by the manafacturer as standard equipment. In the area of the motor trade that i work in there is a significant difference between OE and OEM. Some OEM's decide that from time to time thay will align themselves with a high end aftermarket supplier and offer a component to the retail consumer as part of their standard accessory range, eg; KTM using AKROPOVIC mufflers. Whilst the muffler may appear in the KTM brochure and catalogue and will be designated OE, it did not come from or was manafactured by the OEM.

There is an anomoly in all this where a part or component is fitted on the production line as standard equipment. Using the KTM model again, the Brembo and Magura components whilst not manafactured by the OEM (KTM in this case) would be considered OEM as they were production line fitted and designated as standard equipment.

Hope this makes sence, after all it is midnight and i'm 3 alcopops down already.

[Husky500evo]

I was hoping that Shaun Baker & family don't get put off by all this talk of rules . I , for one am eagerly waiting for a match up between the likes of Shaun , Glen Bell , Geoff Holmes & Andrew Bailey at next years nationals ( especially if it is at Conondale ). Really good riders going at it on big bore 2 stroke Evo or pre '85 machines is a great spectacle & I sorely miss it . So I hope Shaun & family can make the roadtrip . But to all those people that are saying just have a good time & a beer afterwards , I think that rules need to be in place first so there is no grey areas or arguements amongst the serious guys . I don't think that the rules need any major changes , just a bit of minor adjustment .

[BAHNZY]

It will never be a rule book or a forum discussion that will stop this family racing dirt bikes. If you know the Baker clan, you will now that it won't be an issue. The old boy has retired about 100 times but just keep's coming back and is still fast when he does, if he can stay on the Maico. 

He has one of the love hate realtionships, he loves the Maico, however the Maico hates him 

[mxmaniac]

Hell no, we will have a public stoning of the rule book... or death my Maico roost.. once its made clear and the rules are in place of what goes where, there will be no problems or questions.
 I clearly understand OEM now Bahnsy, cheers for that.. I always wondered what the hell that meant. No wonder i couldn't understand any of the rules you posted from the book. 
 I have see Glen bell ride at the Aussie titles down here last year or the year before.. He would win the VMX nationals by a mile! We were told he was heading to tassie for the round just gone,I was bummed not seeing him there as he is a legend.

[magoo]

I certainly am not having a go at Shaun at all, quite the contrary. The point I'm making is that a good rider will win on anything, I was only using Shaun as an example because he is just that good. Sorry if anyone mis-understood wher I was coming from.

[mxmaniac]

Come on.... it makes for good reading
YEE HA!!!!!!!!
Its obvious something needs to be set in concrete on the issue as its obviously a dent in the rule book armour..
 I heard a rumour that Ross390 has brokin his foot, hope you get well soon mate!
Not good to see a fellow VMX soldier down and out..  especially after the effort we all put in!