Rule re-write.

[mick25]

All right, then you answer the question then. Where are you going to get forks from that will have 11 inches travel in 35, 36 mm diameter manufactured before 1/1/1978

Every one is up in arms now because they can't buy Evo legal H forks and  TLS hubs. How many 35 / 36 mm forks are out there with 11 inches of travel. You can say 250 and open have 38 mm forks, but if you make it 11 inches for Pre 78 you have to include all capacities.

A good brand, well set up shock at 9 inches will easily out perform a cheap shit shock at what ever length you care to make it.

To be quite honest I hope it comes in, everybody has 11 inches in Pre 78. I for one will be leaving mine at 9 inches. It's not rocket science why

and better corner speed with the nine inch travel , less raked out front

[Ted]

Shhhhh......Michael

[firko]

Ted, read what I said again......I said make the travel maximum limit whatever is the OEM maximum length for the pre 78. If you read my answer to Watto's post (which you obviously hadn't) you'd see that I took the theory that if people wanted that travel (whatever it be) the option is there for them to fit those forks or aftermarket forks to meet that travel limit. I hadn't considered increasing the travel of those forks because I knew it was not a feasible modification. Funny that two sentences in my lengthy post  in my lengthy post aroused such a reaction yet there's not a word of opinion about any of the other stuff. I personally don't give a fluck. I made that point to keep those with 11 of travel happy and not have to de engineer their bikes. Everyone else can keep theirs stock or increase it to 11" their call................afterthought..... I personally think 10" is a good compromise but let's not turn this into another swingarm debate. This thread isn't about changing the rules so it stays 9" anyway. It's all hypothetical bullshit.

[JohnnyO]

You can't safely get 11" out of pre 78 forks, they will have such little overlap they'll fold in half over a decent jump and have so much flex they'll be dangerous.
Much the same with the rear, any more than 10" and you'll have a ridiculous swingarm angle and a never ending problem of throwing or breaking chains and smashing engine cases because the countershaft sprocket on pre 78 bikes is too far from the swingarm pivot.

[Ted]

My point exactly John

You will also have to pick six ruts to corner in because the flex will start you in one and end you in six.

[firko]

I believe that the suspension limit needs to be adjusted to that of the longest OEM travel bike in the class, whether that be 10", 11" or whatever

I agree with all of you.....If you'd have read the above sentence you'd have realised that I wasn't sure what the longest travel bike was in 1977...hence the or whatever clause. I've said earlier that I think 10" is a fair limit, I only mentioned 11" because I seemed to recall Slakey or someone stating that a particular bike had 11" of travel. Fluck me, talk about selective interpretation .

[Ted]

Also John, nobody has answered where do we get these mythical Pre 78 11 inch forks and stanchions from

[Ted]

Mark, How many racers believe 9 inches travel in Pre 78 is inadequate 1,2 or 3

[mick25]

Also John, nobody has answered where do we get these mythical Pre 78 11 inch forks and stanchions from

They must be removing the small return spring in the forks ted to make the damper rod longer to gain 1 and half inches more travel 

[Ted]

Am sanding all day tomorrow. Wanna come

[mick25]

Am sanding all day tomorrow. Wanna come

Hell yeah love the sanding at summer time  I hope its all square sett no cove  whats the pay any gifts , RM swing arm

[firko]

Am sanding all day tomorrow. Wanna come

I thought you were going on a cruise with Simo Ted?
Can we get back on the subject? This thread's got nothing to do with suspension travel in pre 78. I'm sorry I mentioned it. 

[Ted]

Am sanding all day tomorrow. Wanna come

I thought you were going on a cruise with Simo Ted?
Can we get back on the subject? This thread's got nothing to do with suspension travel in pre 78. I'm sorry I mentioned it. 

I'm flying in tomorrow

[Davey Crocket]

Like GMC say's, if you make too many changes at once then it will end up as toilet paper....I would leave the 9 inches alone....it's worked great for 15 years or so, the majority of riders are happy with it, just like pre75 and earlier has 7 and 4, it's right...separates the classes into distinctive era's.

[Michael Moore]

In re dampers with external adjusters, Koni came out with them in steel (model 8211) during the 1960s.  The aluminum 8212 was introduced in 1967.  Those were for race cars but the technology was there for anyone to buy and copy.

cheers,
Michael