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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2014, 10:18:00 pm »
Graeme's right, the framer is unfortunately a thing of the past if we want dirt track to grow into the twenty first century. The key to the future of dirt track is the involvement of the big factories and the mega dollar sponsor network. To get them involved the race bikes must be identifiable as similar to what Billy in the stands rides with his mates on the weekend. If the flat track framer of the past (and the speedway slider for that matter) remain as the race vehicle of the masses we won't see the big five involvement. Imagine a field of 450's from every major manufacturer as well as BMW, Gas Gas, Aprilia and the other Euros....all bikes easily adapted from existing motocross, enduro or dual sport models and that's just the 250's and 450's. The 650 twin cylinder road market is also extremely popular and offers up a lot of different variations on the 650/750 twin. With Triumph, Ducati, Norton as well as the Japanese and Korean products available to be modified into racers, the big classes offer even more scope for corporate involvement and compared to todays XR750 Harley or similar big dollar framer, offer a reasonably cheap entry into the sport. As the old song goes...The future's so bright I've gotta wear shades".

My whole reason for being involved in vintage motocross and dirt track revolves around my love of custom race framed bikes but I'm realist enough to see the factory framed bike as the future. The framer will however now become the basis of the ever growing vintage/nostalgia/classic (call it what you will) movement and will hopefully run in cahoots with the modern scene. 
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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2014, 10:54:51 pm »
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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2014, 11:17:59 pm »
Isn`t this getting away from  Joe Average banging a Trials tyre on and going for a spin????
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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2014, 11:20:30 pm »
Hey Snowball stick with us mate.

If I have anything to do with it there will always be a class for you and your ilk   ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2014, 11:28:07 pm »
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Vintage Twins
Big Singles
Vintage Singles
Pro 450s
Pro 250s

Where's the choppers? Ha ha!

Interesting how we seem to be wanting to attract the industry mass manufacturers but there is really only 2 classes on the list of 6 above, whereas you could run framers in all 6.

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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2014, 04:58:48 am »
Isn`t this getting away from  Joe Average banging a Trials tyre on and going for a spin????
Joe Average is already catered for,
If 5,000 turn out for the Troy Bayliss then it shows there is interest in the sport
But promotors have to get it right

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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2014, 07:03:20 am »
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Modern Multicylinders
Vintage Twins
Big Singles
Vintage Singles
Pro 450s
Pro 250s

Given there aren't many 'promoters' for dirt track, would there be enough events to make it worthwhile building a bike for some of these classes?

Perhaps a national series might fly and make it viable, but then you'd need at least half a dozen clubs willing to carry a round. 


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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2014, 10:00:37 am »
Modern Multicylinders
Vintage Twins
Big Singles
Vintage Singles
Pro 450s
Pro 250s


I can appreciate the 6 classes you have listed and its simplicity but for CDT it's important to cater for appropriate classes to keep the respective punters coming and racing against similar aged/capacity machines if the numbers are there.......after all, it is CDT.

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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2014, 11:37:41 am »
Vintage dirt track is in need of a bit of a tune up. In a nutshell the racers just aren't turning up in the numbers they were only a decade ago. The saddest part of that scenario is the demise in slider entries across the board so let's first look at that "problem". A decade ago we could expect full fields of two valve sliders in two distinct age groups with a total entry of over 20 bikes at some meetings but unfortunately today we can hardly raise a half grid of combined 2 and 4 valve upright sliders. Part of the problem is the same one that hit pre 75 motocross numbers a few years ago, an aging rider population, but where Pre 75 class VMX has had a resurgence because of the older bikes being taken up by younger riders, it's a bit more complicated with sliders because of their uniqueness and a younger rider population that doesn't relate to them. The era of the upright engine slider was roughly from the mid sixties to the mid eighties so a racer who rode in the sixties would today be in his seventies or eighties and a rider who rode in the `1980's would be in at least his mid fifties so it's hard to expect anyone but the fittest and most enthusiastic racer from that 65-85 era to be willing to throw a leg over a slider today. It's also hard to envision someone who has never ridden a slider to all of a sudden want to buy and race one. I'm in my mid sixties, love sliders and have access to ride one any time I want (thanks Jonesy :)) but the thought or racing one terrifies me, let alone needing the fitness to hold onto one at speed. Being such specialised race tackle it's a very big ask to expect a young bloke (in his forties) to jump off the comfort zone of his chook chaser motocross based bike to ride something as alien as a primitive, spindly 60hp slider. Unfortunately the ambition to ride a Hagon Jawa or a Godden isn't a part of the younger generation vintage racers vision of dirt track fun. So, the big question here is? how do we get the slider back into the vintage racing fold? Australian dirt track (short circuit) was built around the home made special which evolved into the slider, so for classic dirt track to truly reflect our sports history we need sliders out of sheds and mancaves and back on the track. Any ideas on how we can do that?
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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2014, 12:07:03 pm »
The answer is to buy a project slider and have a go! I've got one under construction (250cc) which will be ready for this season (hopefully to challenge Jim's antig bully) and have never ridden one on the track. I know quite a few guys who are on the sitting on the fence when it comes to sliders and if a project slider came up for sale would probably jump at the chance! Lets bring back the slider!.....I'm doing my bit, now we only need another 100 odd riders from each state!

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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2014, 12:47:10 pm »
i still have a chromo frame spare for anyone who wants to build a slider based around a JAwa front diamond and I can supply a new rear arm.  you just need to plate the engine and find some standard slider forks.   Just saying if that's why there still on the fence.....
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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2014, 03:37:24 pm »
Will the frame take a period 2 stroke? Would there be much fabrication needed?

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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2014, 05:04:41 pm »
An Evolution Harley class might generate some interest.  ;D

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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2014, 05:50:23 pm »
Inc ape hangers. :o

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Re: Dirt Track in 2014 - Is this the year it really takes off?
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2014, 09:04:02 pm »
An Evolution Harley class might generate some interest.  ;D

Open face lid, leather vest and Johny Rebbs.  ;)
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