MY SAY

[FAT-TOY]

 
  I tried to get my reply to the tread started by Jim about the parts his mate thinks should have been his but it was locked before that happened, I think I sould at least be given the chance to defend myself.


 When you get to my age the 3 things you rely on most are your family, your friends and your reputation and this thead has done more damage to mine than you can imagine and for no other reason than one buyer thinks that some of the contents of the other buyers lot should have been in his.

   This is what happened.  A mate of mine was down at the Bultaco Rally a couple of weeks ago and while talking to Jims mate about a gear for the kick start on a bike he purchased.  My mate knowing that I purchased a bike off the same seller made a innocent remark that mine came with some 6 speed gears on hearing this Jims mate became aggitated.   On the following friday night I received a call from Jims mate asking if I had in fact received any of  the 6 speed gears, I told him that there had been some there mixed in with my motor and gearbox parts and that they apparently came from a Bully 125cc  and that after my bike was assembled I had no use for them so I put them on ebay.  After hearing this he said they should have been in my lot and hung up in my ear.

   There were 2 (part) gearboxes in with my parts not enough to make one complete box, both had damaged gears (certainly no NOS parts) a few other gears of unknown origin a home made tool for removing clutches and a couple of other bibs and bobs. There were no spark plugs, pistons or kick start gears in with my lot.

  After I got off the phone I rang the seller and told him what had just happened and he told me that he had recieved a call earlier from the buyer of the blue bike (Jims mate) who was agitated and asked if there had been a kick start gear in the stuff that had been picked up, he told him that if there was it would be with the 6 speed stuff.  I asked him if any of the parts he had given to me should have gone to the buyer of the blue bike?  He told me that he had removed the kickstart from it and used to clutch start it he also told me he had sold the blue bike with a few yamaha bits because he might have use for them but the balance of the parts went with my bike.  He said he didn't check all of the contents of the boxes he just put the blue bikes stuff with it and the balance with mine.   He also told me that if there was anything that Jims mate thought should have gone to him then that was probably his fault but he had sold the blue bike as a bike only, not a bike with a collection of parts.
        I rang him again tonight to tell him about this witch hunt and he asked me to get the person involved (jim) and or someone who carries a bit of respect on this forum maybe (Firko) to give him a ring and he would tell them what happened and hopefully put an end to this crap.  After looking at the posts on the thread I find it interesting and quite distressing to see how quickly people are to judge someone else specially when they have only heard one side of the story. 
      I think we all should take a step back and look at all of the facts before we decide to ruin a mans reputation. Hopefully Jim and or Firko will contact the seller and report back to the forum. A small thing to ask I would think.   I can PM his phone number to you but I doubt this will happen most of you people are only interested in telling us all how upset you are that this type of thing could happen BUT NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH.

                                                          Zane

[the stig]

     An apolgy from me Zane like most people I commented on the story  presented

     The Stig     

[firko]

And that's reason I refused to disclose your name. I was told of the situation a couple of times leading up to Jims post and trusting both people as non bullshitters I accepted their word as to what had gone down. Having met and liked you Zane I was surprised and somewhat disappointed that your name was mentioned. I now see that perhaps I should have checked with John for the full story before posting an opinion. I received a number of PM's asking me for the culprits name but as I wrote " I don't think it's Jims, mine  or anyone else's right to out the guy. We're not privy to what's going on between them", and I meant it. Let me be the first to apologise Zane, it's a lesson to us all that publicly 'outing' people without first hand knowledge of the situation just isn't right.

[Ktm181]

Excellent, now we're getting there, Good on you Zane for putting your side forward, we have not met but you are showing some class by standing up and "outing" yourself as the accused party in this, now, if as you ask, Firko or some other well credentialed party on here would speak with the seller and then sort this out everyone can rest a little easier.

again, well done on speaking up, facts are always best and its looking more like a big mis-understanding, come on Firko do the due diligence for the sake of all 3 parties, PLEASE?

Kt

[Branchy]

hey Zane , i though i told you ... stay away from those bultaco's ... nothing but trouble .. the guys that built em were always on the piss and chasing senorita's .. cause ya grief all the time 

here's a link to what those guys are making now
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=614951405207197&set=vb.460958710606468&type=2&theater

[matcho mick]

pretty sure the sellers over this by now,my thoughts (& i mean my thoughts alone),your'e reputations not ruined for me Zane, just confused,mick

[firko]

come on Firko do the due diligence for the sake of all 3 parties, PLEASE

Zane and I have communicated off the forum and I've told him that I'll ring the guy to get the right story tomorrow and, as Zane's asked me to do, report back with the findings. He's pretty upset by all of this as you'd expect so I feel the least I can do is to help sort this out for him. Perhaps the many that PM'd me for the name can now understand why I refused.

[Ktm181]

come on Firko do the due diligence for the sake of all 3 parties, PLEASE

Zane and I have communicated off the forum and I've told him that I'll ring the guy to get the right story tomorrow and, as Zane's asked me to do, report back with the findings. He's pretty upset by all of this as you'd expect so I feel the least I can do is to help sort this out for him. Perhaps the many that PM'd me for the name can now understand why I refused.

Good on you Firko, its the correct thing to do, get it sorted.

Kt

[Lewis]

Zane,you also get an apology from me.My comment was based on the original post to the forum.Your version of the event differs greatly to what was stated.I wish that you'd said something earlier regarding this situation and that it all gets sorted quickly.
                                                                    Lewis.

[Hoony]

Hmmm. bad situation all round, i read the thread as it unfolded and chose not to comment on it for good reason.

you blokes all go off half cocked on high moral ground when you don't know the full story. it happens all the time on here. if it's not your business resist the temptation and stay out off it. i met you at last CD Zane and i feel  you have been badly treated here for no good reason.  Good to see a few have apologised hopefully in time they all will.

[kdx 175]

yes zane I apologis for what I was thinking

[TM BILL]

My apologies Zane , i didn't know who any of the parties involved were and my post was based on the  original post .

I think all who voiced an opinion would do well to take on board Hoonys wise words .

Again i am sorry for commenting on somthing that A had nothing to do with me and B i didn't know all the facts .

Lesson learned.

[FourstrokeForever]

I'm with Hoony on this one. I also read the thread and to be perfectly honest, the original post made zero sense to me. Hence the reason I made no comment. There is always 2 sides to story and having been on the receiving end on false innuendo myself, I know not to get involved in other peoples problems. It can only lead to trouble.
Good on ya Zane for defending yourself. I don't know you but at least I know you have the courage of your conviction.....

[firko]

This is one of those classic cock ups where the real story gets lost in the details......This morning at the request of Zane I rang Charlie, the bloke who sold the Bultaco bikes and parts to both John and Zane. He related a story that is almost word for word the same as what Zane has written in his opening post. According to Charlie the confusion started with him putting the package containing the 6 speed Bultaco trans gears and other bits in the wrong side of the ute. Apparently Zane's bike and parts were on one side of the ute and Johns on the other and Charlie unfortunately placed the parts meant for John in with Zane's parts and all was forgotten. Cut to later, Zane's delivered Johns bike and parts and all is forgotten until months later when John needed an Astro kickstarter which was supposed to be in his parts stash from Charlie but couldn't be found. He called Charlie who told him it was in with the 6 speed transmission stuff which John knew nothing about. In the meantime Zane has sorted out the parts he'd purchased from Charlie and not needing the 6 speed 125 trans parts sold them on eBay. I believe that John was pretty pissed off about the situation, causing him to tell a number of people the story that prompted Jims post.

Here's how I see the situation from an outsiders perspective. I believe Charlie's placing of the parts in the wrong part of the ute was the first innocent mistake, the second cock up was with Charlie not clearly informing both buyers which specific parts were to go to which specific person, causing the eventual confusion. This caused John to not know that the parts even existed until he started looking for the Astro kick starter which led to the phonecall to Charlie enquiring as to why he didn't get it. If more care had been taken in working out just what parts were going to which person by all three of those involved, none of this shitfight would have occurred. John was pretty pissed off and in the heat of that anger he told a number of people that he'd been ripped off which prompted Jim to go in to bat for his mate with the original 'rip off' post that prompted the following frenzy. From all of this I've concluded that Zane is totally innocent of any dishonesty whatsoever , John is only guilty of possibly over reacting without understanding the full story and Charlie is innocent of anything dodgy, his only misdemeanour is placing the parts in the wrong stash and not bothering to mention their existence to either John or Zane.

This drama is a classic example of how we can let our emotions take over and accuse people of wrongdoing before we know the full story. I feel bloody awful that I had a part in flaming Zane by reporting that I knew who the alleged culprit was. I'm so glad however that I resisted the many calls for me to 'out' the alleged perpetrator by naming him, mostly because a part of me refused to believe that Zane would have done such a thing. I'm in no way a mate of Zane's but I've dealt with him over a Triumph engine and found him to be a bloody nice bloke and as honest as they come. As I write this Zane's extremely upset that this drama has put a big dent in his credibility within the VMX movement so I call on everyone to let Zane know that the mud hasn't stuck and that we still regard him as a respected member of this forum and the VMX community in general.

Now.......lets move on and remember that we all live in glass houses that can be ruined by just on stone.

[Ktm181]

This is one of those classic cock ups where the real story gets lost in the details......This morning I rang Charlie, the bloke who sold the Bultaco bikes and parts to both John and Zane. He related a story that is almost word for word the same as what Zane has written in his opening post. According to Charlie the confusion started with him putting the package containing the 6 speed Bultaco trans gears and other bits in the wrong side of the ute. Apparently Zane's bike and parts were on one side of the ute and Johns on the other and Charlie unfortunately placed the parts meant for John in with Zane's parts and all was forgotten. Cut to later, Zane's delivered Johns bike and parts and all is forgotten until months later when John needed an Astro kickstarter which was supposed to be in his parts stash from Charlie but couldn't be found. He called Charlie who told him it was in with the 6 speed transmission stuff which John knew nothing about. In the meantime Zane has sorted out the parts he'd purchased from Charlie and not needing the 6 speed 125 trans parts sold them on eBay. I believe that John was pretty pissed off about the situation and told a number of people the story that prompted Jims post.

Here's how I see the situation from an outsiders perspective as it was related to me. I believe Charlie's placing of the parts in the wrong part of the ute was the first innocent mistake, the second cock up was with Charlie not itemising which specific parts were to go to which specific person, causing the eventual confusion. This caused John not to know that the parts even existed until he started looking for the Astro kick starter and the phonecall to Charlie enquiring as to why he didn't get it. If more care had been taken in working out just what parts were going to which person by all three of those involved, none of this shitfight would have occurred. John was pretty pissed off and in the heat of that anger he told a number of people that he'd been ripped off which prompted Jim to go in to bat for his mate with the original 'rip off' post that prompted the following frenzy. Zane is totally innocent of any dishonesty whatsoever , John is only guilty of possibly over reacting without understanding the full story and Charlie is innocent of anything dodgy, his only misdemeanour is placing the parts in the wrong stash and not bothering to mention their existence to either John or Zane.

This drama is a classic example of how we can let our emotions take over and accuse people of wrong doing before we know the full story. I feel bloody awful that I had a part in flaming Zane by reporting that I knew who the alleged culprit was. I'm so glad however that I resisted the many calls for me to 'out' the alleged perpetrator by naming him, mostly because a part of me refused to believe that Zane would have done such a thing, leaving me a little unsure. I'm in no way a mate of his but I've dealt with Zane and found him to be a bloody nice bloke and as honest as they come. As I write this Zane's extremely upset that this drama has put a big dent in his credibility within the VMX movement so I call on everyone to let Zane know that the mud hasn't stuck and that we still regard him as a respected member of this forum and the VMX community in general.

Now.......lets move on and remember that we all live in glass houses that can be ruined by just on stone.

Excellent work Firko, getting both sides, in this case all 3, is always the best way forward on any reported underhanded dealings, I HATE this sort of shit, FACTS are the only thing that matters and it shows what a minor cock up can turn into, well done for sorting it.

And good on YOU ZANE for standing up, I havnt met you but I DO understand how important our reputations are.
Kt.