Works bikes

[Ted]

Ted, the optional alloy arm for RM125B's is legal....always has been....it's just you guy's make a mountain out of a molehill.

Molehill you say. So why does the eligibility scrutineer at the coming Nats deem it illegal.

[KTM47]

So in 74 Joe blogs could go down to his local Suzuki dealer and walk out with a RH 74

No in 1974 Joe Blogs couldn't go into a Suzuki dealer and buy a 1974 RH. In 1974 and possibly 73 there RH Suzukis in Queensland. Phil Thew Moto had two, for Randy Jones and Ross Kingston. John Walmsley also had one. There were other riders in other states with RHs and RNs.

However very late in 1974 while Joe Blogs couldn't buy an RH yet!!!!! Kevin M a "B" Grader was able to trade his Maico 250 in on a 1975 RH. I have photos of it. Phil Thew Moto also got one of the two that arrived first. Stan Veenstra rode Phil's. A few months later another shipment arrived and anyone could get one of the limited shipment. In some respects they weren't full works bikes, but the engine was.

[KTM47]

After having read all of this thread here is my view. The limited production RHs and RNs in some respects were available to the public. Unlike real works bikes, no one made the shops or riders give the bikes back at the end of the season. They weren't sent back to the factory to be crushed, like a real works bike. I traded my RH in on a RM 250 A. So anyone could buy them 2nd hand. I bet no one has been able to buy a real works bike.

As for the alloy swingarm for a RM 125 B. Yes they are legal. But my view is, you will need to be able to prove that it is genuine not a modified C swingarm.

Just a side note the motor on the RH was better than the RM 250 A. Better power.

[Ted]

Well we'll have our answer on Friday pertaining to its eligibility.

[firko]

I thought you weren't fitting the alloy swingarm Ted. You do know that Dave Tanner isn't scrutineering at the Nats don't you?

[Ted]

I don't care who is scrutineering Mark. Somebody is going to have to make the call.

[TM BILL]

As for the alloy swingarm for a RM 125 B. Yes they are legal. But my view is, you will need to be able to prove that it is genuine not a modified C swingarm.

While im not disputing this statement , does that mean that if somebody rocks up with an RM 250B that they would have to prove that the lower frame cradle had not been replaced with one from an RM 250C model ( as they do have a habit of rotting out .

Yeah i know its forking stupid , but to all intents and purposes is the bullshit about the optional arm .

Ted has stated on many many occasions that he has been informed by the eligibility scrutineer for the nats that the arm is illegal, so who is he to believe   

[Ted]

They all seem to have become expert metallurgists all of a sudden and can determine when a weld was done from a photo

[Simo63]

I thought you weren't fitting the alloy swingarm Ted. You do know that Dave Tanner isn't scrutineering at the Nats don't you?

Are you sure that is right Firko? In conversations I've had with Crocket, I got the impression it was Davey and Dave Tanner scrutineering?

I don't care who is scrutineering Mark. Somebody is going to have to make the call.

Good luck with that Ted.  Just make sure you pack the standard arm in case 

[firko]

Are you sure that is right Firko? In conversations I've had with Crocket, I got the impression it was Davey and Dave Tanner scrutineering? 

Dave Tanner has to work the big boat show on the Gold Coast so he sadly can't be there. Vandy, Crocket and me will be handling eligibility. 

[Simo63]

Are you sure that is right Firko? In conversations I've had with Crocket, I got the impression it was Davey and Dave Tanner scrutineering? 

Dave Tanner has to work the big boat show on the Gold Coast so he sadly can't be there. Vandy, Crocket and me will be handling eligibility.

Okay

[Ted]

Well I'll make your job easy then Mark. I have proof that this arm left the factory as a optional part and is not a butchered c part. When you see it you will agree, I'm sure. Funny thing is it was staring me in the face the whole time.

[Simo63]

Well I'll make your job easy then Mark. I have proof that this arm left the factory as a optional part and is not a butchered c part. When you see it you will agree, I'm sure. Funny thing is it was staring me in the face the whole time.

Lol .. listen here Teddles .... a dodgy "77" stamped on the underside just isn't going to fly bucko .. bring the steel arm as well otherwise you'll be needing more than 4 JD's 

[KTM47]

Does anyone know who the level four Chief Scrutineer is and who the Steward is? The supp-regs don't state who they are and the final instructions don't also.

Any final decision on eligibility will be up to the Chief Scrutineer and then he may have to refer it to the Clerk of Course.

As for RM alloy swingarms, TM Bill you said you had one you would sell. Is it a genuine 1977 optional swingarm or a modified C arm?

Everyone please read GCR 18.2.1.2.

[TM BILL]

As far as i know its the real deal  however i didn't buy it in 1977 from a Suzuki dealer so ??

I bought it off ebay about 10 yrs ago from the US .

But i have welded a new cradle from a C model into a B frame as the B one was rotted out . The C frame had a badly bent steering head and backbone so became a donor frame .

I suppose technically it is now not eligible for pre 78  i couldn't say what year the mig wire was made that was used to fuse the two pieces  could be it has to go into pre 2010