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Offline suzuki59

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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2013, 11:30:52 am »
I also belive that Elvis is still alive and living next door to Firko? ;)

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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2013, 11:56:21 am »
Hi
who wouldn't buy a CZ twinport replica at $6000
I'll gladly pay $9000 for one,  probably even more
I know what it will cost to rebuild a dead one ,
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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2013, 12:05:57 pm »
Check out Jiri CV Fastest ZEDS in Europe  :)
All of the big Euro Vintage MX fields are full of his creations

For me the best school of motocross was the two years taht I spent in Dukla Prague, the Army motorcycle club in the former Czechoslovakia. It was there that I raced with our finest riders - Falta, Velky, Baborovsky, Churavy and Stodulka. I learnt from them and also was able to represent my country at that time. After leaving Dukla Prague, I went to a professional club, SVS Strakonice, with a motocross track in Jinin. I ended my racing career in the late 1970s and went to work in the CZ factory at Strakonice in their special motocross machines were built for the world championships and I worked there for 10 years. It was a workplace where I could learn every technology of production through building very special motocross machinery. In 1989 I left the CZ factory and started working for myself from my home. Firstly, I started to make parts, frames, exhausts and handlebars for old CZ motorcycles. That grew to the point where I was soon making complete motorcycles and that it is what I still do now. I do virtually everything from making the sand moulds for pouring aluminum, through to building my own frames. Of course thhere are some parts which I must buy, like pistons, chains and wheelrims but I make all the other major engine, drive and gear components in my own workshop. Every one of my motorcycles is built to order for a particular customer and they are ordered for either racing, or for private collections of museums. For racing, I make some adjustments for better engine performance and some changes to the frames for better handling. My motorcycles are ridden mostly in Belgium, Holland, England and Italy and I use the original production technology in many cases. For example, the frame tubes are formed by hand, using sand to fill them and then bent on a flame. Not even a comuterised machine can reproduce the correct shapes of the bends and it is very time consuming to build these complete motorcycles. IT´S A JOB I LOVE VERY MUCH.
But even with my involvement as a builder, I missed my racing and started to go to veteran races in Belgium and the Netherlands. In 1997, I went to a meeting at Namur in Belgium where 20 former world champions were competing. There were three racing categories and I won one of them. It was great for me to sit at the same table as Harry Everts, Jim Pomeroy and the other legends and to talk with them. I have been riding CZ all of my life and I am still faithful to the name and I try to keep it alive today, so others can appreciate what it stands for. I make many spare parts and complete CZ motorcycles of models 968, 969 and ESO. Here in Czech, I have begun competing in motocross races called "Sumavsky Super Pohar" and organised by our club, Veteran Club Habes. I have won it many times. I wanted to establish our club, so that the name CZ would bot be forgotten and at the end of last season we had riders from several European countries come here to compete. That included a few riders from the U.S.A. - Brad Lackey, Michael Tillman and Pete Silva. It was great!

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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2013, 12:12:45 pm »
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I also belive that Elvis is still alive and living next door to Firko? 
Hmmm, (insert sound of penny dropping) I thought he looked vaguely familiar :-\.
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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2013, 12:30:23 pm »
"....pipe dream",nice pun Mr Crocket :D

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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2013, 12:31:24 pm »
Best is in the West !!

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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2013, 12:43:37 pm »
Hi
who wouldn't buy a CZ twinport replica at $6000
I'll gladly pay $9000 for one,  probably even more
I know what it will cost to rebuild a dead one ,
cheers

You'd be the exception.

There's always lots of talk manufacturers re-making their iconic models: Escorts, 240Zs, 1600s, 240s, RX-3s, etc etc - and people always say "yeah, I'd buy one", but if it ever came to the crunch, very, very few people will choose to buy a repro of an old car when they could buy a modern for the same amount.
For bikes/cars that you're actually going to use, I reckon the real test is to imagine that you found an original example in excellent, usable condition. How much do you offer?
If someone turned up at a vintage meet with a twin pipe CZ, I would check it out and say "cool bike", but I wouldn't offer $9k or even $6k for it - if I'm not willing to do that, then I am obviiusly not willing to pay $6k for a replica...
On the flip side, if they said "$5k and you can have it", then I would open my wallet...

It's not about what the "value", its about how important it is to me, after cutting away the emotional response to the idea of being able to buy a brand new old thing.
Not to mention the way widely available, good quality replicas devalue the originals...
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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2013, 01:48:30 pm »
Nathan, Micheal Bamford would not take 9K from under his bed and buy a replica CZee twinport....I know the guy and it would never happen. ;D....btw.....it's his mate who was going to make the Chinka Metisses. ;) ;)...and your spot on about replica's de-valuing the real deal.
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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2013, 01:54:06 pm »
I sold a real one for 10,500 and if they where selling at 6000 I would buy one.

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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2013, 02:17:24 pm »
Seems to work for manx nortons & matchless g50s, few of these bikes being raced now would have been built last century.
I don't think the modern replicas which produce way more power than any of the works bikes ever did are cheap but neither are the original bikes
Certain parts if remade for CZs would have a market like rear hubs & are basically common to all models with the brake drum/sprocket mount being only change

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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2013, 04:10:17 pm »
Hi,
the problem with 968 and 969 Twinports is they are so different, and, to  all the others .different crankcases, different frames, crank mounted clutches,different gear boxes,different barrels and heads , very few Twinport bits are interchangeable with Sidepipe and Single port engines , whereas damn near everthing from 125 250 360 380 400,single ports  can be used/interchanged, including wheels and frames, depending on your concept of Legality
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PS ,John you find me a replica Twinport 250 0r 360 for $9000, and I'll empty the mattress real quick!

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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2013, 04:21:28 pm »
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it's his mate who was going to make the Chinka Metisses
Bugger the replica twin pipes, I'm waiting for those Metisse replicas. Any updates Michael?....Hmmm Idea!....perhaps Xiansheng Beckman can tool up to produce CZ replicas at his Guangzhou industrial complex along side the Metisse production line.
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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2013, 09:49:22 am »
When I think of how we were selling type 980 250s for $350 and 400s for $400 in 1975/76 I could cry that I didn't keep a few.  Pretty sure when American Jawa closed their East Coast warehouse there were hundreds of 980s and a lot of old yellow tankers dumped.
Poke that bone back in and wrap it up tight sport - I am racing the second moto.

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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2013, 05:45:57 pm »
I also belive that Elvis is still alive and living next door to Firko? ;)
Your wrong.
Elvis is alive and living in Queensland cause i saw him racing his twin piper CZ
at last weekends Conondale classic.  ;D

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Re: CZ Twinpiper rumor on mx trax
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2013, 07:46:03 pm »
I worked with a fellow at the Wendouree shire in Ballarat back in 1979, and his name was Elvis Presley, he even dressed everyday like Elvis.