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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2013, 10:36:30 pm »
Yeah, Firko,I wuz gunna say the same as Slides, it IS a proper frame !!, 
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« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2013, 10:46:08 pm »
Dont get me wrong, I like sliders too, I even have my own beloved Antig but that thing would be a fu*king monster to ride in a spindly little frame. The big V twin looks all wrong in there, the whole thing is tied together by the alloy engine plates and would twist like a licorice stick. That old drag queen Egon Mueller would be the only person insane enough to ride the bloody thing ;D.
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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2013, 11:00:27 pm »
I like the US Flattrackers but the Slider Framed bikes dominated Aussie Short Circuit history for close to 3 decades, we changed the name of our sport to fit in more with the US DT influences.
My big concern is that a big part of our history will be just a memorry.
I do have to agree with you Firko, that would be an absolute beast to ride.
Having said all that, physically I'm not up to riding a Slider again but a well set up Flattracker would be more forgiving and I may still make comeback #3.
   

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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2013, 11:04:45 pm »
I disagree,  Wato is crazy enough,
Jack Stevens, maybe a couple of others,
Things are looking good for Dirttrack,
things are looking Great for Flattrack!!!!!!

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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2013, 06:29:28 am »
This has SFA to do with Dirt Track, but I got to thinking, Big V twins, Hagon frames ???, Hmm, soooo,





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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2013, 06:55:25 am »
Great photo,

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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2013, 06:58:21 am »
Great photo,
Didya watch the Utube clip, SON ??  love the sound of V twins !!
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« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2013, 12:19:02 pm »
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I like the US Flattrackers but the Slider Framed bikes dominated Aussie Short Circuit history for close to 3 decades, we changed the name of our sport to fit in more with the US DT influences.
I agree, it's imperative that the slider remain a part of our dirt track (or short circuit if you prefer) heritage but somebody has to start the ball rolling. For the last three or four years I've been hearing a big whinge about the lack of sliders and that "something needs to be done". Absolutely something should be done, but it's no good sitting around waiting for the mythical other bloke to set something up, if it's important to you (not you specifically Steve, I'm speaking to everyone) and you know someone with a slider, chase him up and find out just why he's not riding it.

In reality though, we need to set something up at vintage club level first, mainly because there are precious few modern laydown sliders. The main slider era was the sixties through late eighties, the upright era, so perhaps its time to repeat what we originally did with Penrith Club when we originally set up classic dirt track back in the late 80's.....cater specifically for sliders by including two classes for them, 2valve and 4 valve engines in upright frames. Regs should be as basic as can be.....as long as the slider's an upright and features swingarm rear suspension and working brakes, it's eligible. When the 2v slider class was at its peak in the mid to late nineties we were getting up to twenty 2valves spread over two, sometimes three age groups and that was not counting TT Yamaha powered bikes which were barred at the time. If a proposed Upright slider class was set up and promoted enthusiastically, there's no reason those nineties entry numbers can't be matched. I know that Alan Jones has been missing for a couple of years due to business and health concerns but he's currently getting a couple of sliders ready for this season. I also know of another two or three that are hot to trot but we need more, many more. Penrith club has made a good start by including specific slider classes in its upcoming Sydney Dirt Track Series but more effort has to be done to get the garage queen sliders out of retirement and back on the track where they belong. Whingeing and whining about how it used to be ain't going to achieve anything for the future. ;)

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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2013, 12:40:05 pm »
Here are a couple newly aquired (season old now) modern laydown sliders. Once brakes added cost about the same as a new 450.
We get a few sliders along to mmcc club days but the two gents featured and one or two others and that's it. Pretty hard to get to ride them with only 10 possibilities throughout the year subject to weather etc. Unless you have a race track in your back yard.
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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2013, 12:55:16 pm »
Speaking of big V Twin flat trackers, how about a TL1000 Suzuki......
                                     
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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2013, 04:08:35 pm »
Something different...Trackmaster 750 Ducati:
                                   
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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2013, 04:27:30 pm »
or even rarer...a Moto Guzzi flat tracker:
                               
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« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2013, 04:57:35 pm »
Another shot of the Gene Hartline Trackmaster Benelli that I'm replicating.
                             
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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2013, 06:04:14 pm »
 How would one of those old Honda 450's go in a flat tracker?

 Looking at the drawings they are a beautiful looking engine.
 
 Brought up to 500cc plus good carbies and cams,would be interesting.
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Re: Flattrack Nats OLD SCHOOL TWINS
« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2013, 08:41:04 pm »
Pancho near the end of production the 450 was up to 500 (CB500T). The iron monsters are very very heavy for their size, In hindsight they should have been 650s.
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