ALLBALLS

[Ktm181]

HI Guys, once again need your learned advice,

Allballs swing arm kits? I am needing one shortly for my RM465, $80 landed, ARE THEY ANY GOOD? Who has used one of the ab kits and found them good/bad/indifferent?

thanks in advance,
Kt

[Rookie#1]

yep, they're great  order them

[Rossvickicampbell]

check out VMX Unlimited - kits for around $60??  Have heard they are OK - sometimes fit can be a bit hit and miss.

[bigk]

They are a bit hit & miss regarding "correctness".
K

[Freakshow]

Put one through my 07 YZ was a quarter the price of the. Genuine bits.  And all fitted perfectly , just greased and go !  May be lesser quality who knows but for that price you could afford to change them every other year.....

[Ktm181]

Thanks for the replies men,

Freaky, you are right about the price of the originals, full swing arm bears and spacers (which are a form of bearing anyway) and seals is nearly 300 with freight! Bell crank and shock bearings and seals add another $7-800!!!! well over  a grand if buying in Aus, for instance the small bell crank bearing that connects the rear strut to the swing arm $150 EACH here, i managed to do a deal and get them for a 100 in Aus each,

anyways, ALLBALLS for the swing arm it is.

Kt

[mainline]

I'd definately be buying the AllBalls kits over anything else on offer, BUT just keep any eye on the new vs old parts you're swapping out.

I recently did the swingarm, linkages and wheels on a 97 ktm, and found a few minor differences between oem and the allballs kit. Most didn't matter, some where a definate improvement over stock, but the alloy bearing spacer with hardened ends (crush tube) that went in the rear hub was a couple of mm longer than stock which meant the bearings wouldn't seat fully in the hub and could have had the rear wheel 'float' from side to side if I hadn't turned it down to the right length.

[D project]

The allballs kit for the Suzukis are ok,but you need to use a genuine Suzuki inner dust seal cap. The allballs is too big

[SUZUKI311]

ktm181, I had a local machine shop machine up a steel sleeve to fit inside the full floater bell crank, and then used off the shelf bearings from my local bearing supplier for about $20 each. I then used a new genuine Suzuki inner spacer/sleeve and it turned out perfect. The machine shop hated me 'coz of the dimensions of the steel sleeve was not that easy to make being pretty thin. If you took one of your old bearings to a bearing supplier, they will be able to find a bearing the right width, right I.D, and if my memory is correct, its 2mm smaller O.D., requiring the 1mm thick sleeve to be made up.Hope this helps.

[YZ250H]

I'd definately be buying the AllBalls kits over anything else on offer, BUT just keep any eye on the new vs old parts you're swapping out.

I recently did the swingarm, linkages and wheels on a 97 ktm, and found a few minor differences between oem and the allballs kit. Most didn't matter, some where a definate improvement over stock, but the alloy bearing spacer with hardened ends (crush tube) that went in the rear hub was a couple of mm longer than stock which meant the bearings wouldn't seat fully in the hub and could have had the rear wheel 'float' from side to side if I hadn't turned it down to the right length.

Had a similar thing happen during 250 rebuild.  Each swingarm bush was a poofteenth long meaning the motor wouldn't fit no matter what I did .  Half a mm taken off each and all OK.
Everything else I have got from them has been spot on.

[Ktm181]

ktm181, I had a local machine shop machine up a steel sleeve to fit inside the full floater bell crank, and then used off the shelf bearings from my local bearing supplier for about $20 each. I then used a new genuine Suzuki inner spacer/sleeve and it turned out perfect. The machine shop hated me 'coz of the dimensions of the steel sleeve was not that easy to make being pretty thin. If you took one of your old bearings to a bearing supplier, they will be able to find a bearing the right width, right I.D, and if my memory is correct, its 2mm smaller O.D., requiring the 1mm thick sleeve to be made up.Hope this helps.

Thanks Suzuki311, SO you mean you machined a sleeve for the main bell crank bearing OR for the spherical bearings where the struts connect? Or both? I spoke with a bearing shop, he reckons the sphericals in good quality around $40 ea, reckons couldnt supply the main roller bearings, my rollers are ok as is its shaft but the sphericals, as usual chewed out!  Any help muchly appreciated GUYS, THANKS ALL OF YOU.
Kt

[Ktm181]

The allballs kit for the Suzukis are ok,but you need to use a genuine Suzuki inner dust seal cap. The allballs is too big

Hi Jason, PM sent.

Kt