bultaco mk 1 metisse

[firko]

SO.....Who bought it?

[flower pot racing]

I think the seat/rear mudguard might be aftermarket but the tank looks right. The radial head comes with the bike-you can see a photo of it if you scan through the photos. Correct reproduction 'glass can be bought from this forum's Flowerpot Racing. I just bought a full set including tank for my genuine Rickman Petite Bultaco frame. You won't get better 'glass than this stuff, it's ethanol/methanol proof too. My list has the engine as a 200cc Campera, made from 1963-1965  with engine numbers ranging from 900.001 to 921.899 which would positively identify the bikes M-900826 numbered engine as a 4sp legal pre 65 set of cases at least. I seem to remember Anthony Suttor converting a Campera to 250cc for pre 65 back in the 90's so it must be possible.   

The pukka Petite Metisse tail piece comes to a point and the subframe has a fitting right at the edge to bolt the rear most tip of the rear loop to the subframe.  If you look at the pic on ebay there is a bolt thorough the rear most tip of the guard that will probably line up with this fitting.  Mark, your rear loop has this fitting and the tail piece you are getting is the correct pointy type.  The pics on ebay look lieka Mk3 rear guard has been used.  Personally I prefer the more rounded look of this guard.  It is harder to fit this guard on the Petite rear loop, hence it is looking abit ouit of alignment. 

It is a race bike and has probably been used in it's 40+ years and I dare say at some pint it has been looped making matters worse.

Seat shape is not correct as it has been extended at the front to protect the riders crown jewels as the gap between the tank and the seat can catch them if you are not concerntrating.  A good idea and will help to may well help make it even more ridable. 

Frame should be plated if it is a New Milton Rickman (531 tubing etc) not painted (normally which means a repair). 

The Spanish copy was made from a poor quality tube and was painted (like your pickture Mark) not plated.  They are renowned for breakages so always check them carefully if you are builg one and planning on racing it.

Age?  Mark look in your book, all the builds are down there, so you know who it was first sold to. 

Only thing that really isnt right is the exhaust.  Should be an up and over.  But who cares? Not me, it's a lovely looking race bike and at the sale price I would have through that it is cheap.

Head is the same as my Pukka Petite Metisse (made in England).  Not all of them had the radial head like that (which was also fitted to various other models; trials and road) they all look similar (to me anyway!) and are different.

[mainline]

There was a bum fight over the eligibility rules for Bultaco metisse.

is this the way eligibility issues are usually sorted out?

[albrid-3]

There was a bum fight over the eligibility rules for Bultaco metisse.

is this the way eligibility issues are usually sorted out?

Its just a figure of speech.

[TM BILL]

There was a bum fight over the eligibility rules for Bultaco metisse.

is this the way eligibility issues are usually sorted out?

Paul it saves all the Farting around and any potentiol Shit fights  never Undie estimate the power of a bum fight 

[albrid-3]

That Metisse was raced back in the 90`s here in Victoria by the original owner.

[cemotobull]

Hopefully it will get back on the track, hopefully on the dirt track at Nepean to boost numbers and get a Pre 65 class up!! So where did it end up going?? Btw, I did my best at the Bully weekend to spruke the profile of DT amongst the mx gods! I'm sure Pomeroy would of been great on the Sacramento Mile, moreso on a Pre 65 Bull!

[firko]

Dave, I've been around as long as you and don't ever recall the Bultaco M11 having any eligibility problems. John Matthews raced one in pre 65 here in NSW in the early VMX days and I also recall a couple more racing from time to time.

As many of you know I'm currently planning a Petite Metisse/360 Maico for pre 65. I've purchased a genuine Rickman made Bultaco Petite Metisse frame and brand new ethanol proof bodywork from Flowerpot Ben and will use the 360 oval barrel Maico engine I bought from the USA. I was thinking the bike might be something unique but Flowerpot Ben sent me this this morning, it's exactly what I'm building .
                                                                    http://www.leboncoin.fr/motos/391218521.htm?ca=12_s 
                                                                                   

[albrid-3]

Mark, I love it, I want one, The question you will need to ask and have proof of, where the 360 maico engine built prior pre65. the rest of the bike is fine, and if the answer is yes, then you won`t have a problem. the issue with that bike on ebay, was the engine at the time.

[paul]

[firko]

Thanks Paul, you saved me a bit of work finding proof in my books.

[paul]

[firko]

I guess that puts any inuendo about the 360's legality to bed . I wouldn't have started building the bike if it wasn't legal Dave.
Looking at the forks in the photos kindly posted by Paul, it appears that the leading axle 36mm forks are legal for pre 65! Yippee.

[albrid-3]

Well it look all good to me mark hope to see it at the starting gate in the pre65 class, some of the problems we see is that these companies build these bikes and they start with a small capacity engine, like bultaco, montesa, maico.  I can`t read german, so the first GS would have been a 175cc and built in 1964, then the next model may have been a GS 250 and that could have been later 1964 to 65 was built , and so on. And all these models may have be built in the same year 1964, or started building the 175cc Gs 1964, the bigger Bores may be later.
I like the Metisse, but I must say I prefer the original bike, as I remember these models being race in Victoria.

[firko]

Well it look all good to me mark hope to see it at the starting gate in the pre65 class, some of the problems we see is that these companies build these bikes and they start with a small capacity engine, like bultaco, montesa, maico.  I can`t read german, so the first GS would have been a 175cc and built in 1964, then the next model may have been a GS 250 and that could have been later 1964 to 65 was built , and so on. And all these models may have be built in the same year 1964, or started building the 175cc Gs 1964, the bigger Bores may be later.
I like the Metisse, but I must say I prefer the original bike, as I remember these models being race in Victoria.

Jeez Dave, one minute you're crying out for us all to build pre 65 bikes and now you're looking for reasons to knock my bike back. Take it as flucking gospel that the 360 Maico came out in 1964. Take a good look at the page on the MC360 that Paul posted and note no reference to 175, 250 or anything but 360cc. You don't need to be able to read German to work out that the oval barreled MC360 was made from 1964-1968......