Should there be a 4 stroke class pre 85/evo at the Nats

[Slakewell]

Im not sure that a good 4 stroke could not win pre 85 regardless of two strokes. Would a new class bring in some new riders and interesting bikes?

[bigk]

Good old farm bike class hey, we added one for VIPER this season, only had 2 regulars and at best 4 competitors. Fair idea but it didn't seem to work too well.
K

[maico police]

Just run them in pre 85, pre 90 or EVO at their capacity class ( four t 250 in 250, open in open). It'd be nice hearing them all running around together at the back of the pack.

[firko]

It's always mystified me that during the initial VMX years when pre 75 was the only game in town, the 4 stroke class was really well populated by a full grids of bikes ranging from tricked up XL Hondas, B50 Beeza's and even the odd Ducati. Today, in Evo, Pre 85 and/or pre 90, with some really decent (and comparitively cheap) 4 stroke tackle to choose from, racers don't seem to be all that interested in racing them. Literally tens of thousands of XL's, XR's, TT, XT's, DR's and KLX's were sold during the eighties so why isn't that eighties popularity reflected in today's VMX entries?

[Slakewell]

Good old farm bike class hey, we added one for VIPER this season, only had 2 regulars and at best 4 competitors. Fair idea but it didn't seem to work too well.
K

The old seems a great idea but nobody actually dose it. I do know there a few KTM's race ready getting about but again would they turn up and race at the Nats.

[Davey Crocket]

Doesnt work in QLD, only a few pig rooters turn up....they should run in the appropriate class....most of them are hand grenades anyway and they make too much noise.

[firko]

most of them are hand grenades anyway and they make too much noise

The ones that are unreliable and too noisy are usually owned by the flat black helmet/flannelette shirt brigade who dig out some old dunger from Uncle Jim Bobs shed and expect it to be a race bike. These blokes and their dungers usually stay in the sport for as long as it takes for the bike to shit itself. A well built and properly muffled stroker should be quieter and just as reliable as any two stroke.

 I'd like to more of them competing if just to add some more variety to the sport.

[JohnnyO]

It's always mystified me that during the initial VMX years when pre 75 was the only game in town, the 4 stroke class was really well populated by a full grids of bikes ranging from tricked up XL Hondas, B50 Beeza's and even the odd Ducati. Today, in Evo, Pre 85 and/or pre 90, with some really decent (and comparitively cheap) 4 stroke tackle to choose from, racers don't seem to be all that interested in racing them. Literally tens of thousands of XL's, XR's, TT, XT's, DR's and KLX's were sold during the eighties so why isn't that eighties popularity reflected in today's VMX entries?

I think the problem is that the MX world in general is over populated with 4 strokes and most of us are happy to be playing with 2 strokes again.

[Slakewell]

There was a very Nice CJ Honda at Mr VMX the other day that was at the pointy end. These are the sort of bikes I like to see in the sport and If they had then own class would more people build them?

[JohnnyO]

There was a very Nice CJ Honda at Mr VMX the other day that was at the pointy end. These are the sort of bikes I like to see in the sport and If they had then own class would more people build them?

I'm keen on getting a Twinshock 4 stroke on the track one day, if they had their own class I'd be more motivated to do it. That C&J of Dave Middleton's is a cool bike..

[maico police]

Do we need another class for the Nats!? Three different eras with three capacities in each (125, 250 & open) plus age group races plus time out for crashes and such doesn't leave a lot of time for much else. Cram more stuff in there and we're back to 3 X 3 lap races to decide an AUSTRALIAN TITLE!
We may as well include all the pre 78 and earlier if that's the case......

[Montynut]

Dave's C&J is fantastic and also completely competative with any other bike in the EVO class (he won the >50 class at Mr VMX in style) so does not need a seperate class. 4 strokes are not really representative of the Pre85 era like it or not 2 strokes dominated. Another class would only dilute the whole thing. Ages races would be much more appropiate than adding a 4 stroke class.

[maico police]

I'm all for four strokes at The Nats but they can compete against their own capacities and eras.

[mustanggrahame]

I'd like to see Viper keep a pre85 4stroke class going. Maybe just put them in with a different class until/ if the numbers build up. If punters know that there is a class for their bike, they will be more keen to get one going. I don't think you can judge the success of the idea on its first season.
That being said, I also can't see why a well ridden pre85 4stroke wouldn't be competitive in its own era race. I got a short ride on an ATK 560 at Tooleen and it was easy to get used too and easily as fast as my YZ250H.
The sound of a 4stroke circulating amongst the 2's always makes me look to see what it is and how it is going.
Cheers, Grahame

[Curly3]

Should put the 250 4 strokes in with the 125's and the 500's in the 250 class?