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Offline JohnnyO

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #75 on: December 23, 2012, 11:14:07 am »
The optional arm was available over the counter in mid 77, my mate bought one from Phil Thew Suzuki and it came painted black.

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #76 on: December 23, 2012, 11:17:21 am »
Adelaide 1977 Anthony Gunter. Alloy arm and floating rear brake

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #77 on: December 23, 2012, 11:26:03 am »
   Why go in with one minute to midnight evidence and make it a grey area  ! as ive said above i have written evidence(genuine 76 parts catalog) the arm was available to the public 13 months before december 77 '  it's black and white there is no Grey area ... they shoundnt have a leg to stand on :-\

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #78 on: December 23, 2012, 11:26:29 am »
I can't see the pic?

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #79 on: December 23, 2012, 11:27:19 am »
Huskibul can you scan the pages and post it here?

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #80 on: December 23, 2012, 11:32:54 am »
   Iam not real good with computers/scanners etc john but will try to rope my young bloke in sometime  if you can wait a while, i had to sell my B but would still like to help you guys "put it right"   :)

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #81 on: December 23, 2012, 11:43:29 am »
Adelaide 1977 Anthony Gunter. Alloy arm and floating rear brake



Is that a 125 Doc  ???

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #82 on: December 23, 2012, 11:49:49 am »
Better still, I have sent you a PM with my mailing address. I will definitely arrange a meeting with MA and would love to take your third edition book with me. I will guarantee its safety and return it immediately after they have viewed it

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #83 on: December 23, 2012, 11:50:12 am »
   Iam not real good with computers/scanners etc john but will try to rope my young bloke in sometime  if you can wait a while, i had to sell my B but would still like to help you guys "put it right"   :)
Sounds good mate..

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #84 on: December 23, 2012, 11:56:42 am »
Well I guess we are all putting our opinion in for the 3rd or 4th time so here we go again :-)

1) The swingarm is listed in a 1977 parts list.

2) The part is listed for a 1977 B model.

3) Other brands of alloy swingarms are allowed for Pre 78.

4) There is a difference between C swingarms and B.

5) Someone needs to come up with a pic, from 1977, of a bike with the swingarm being used - Game over.


we've been through all this before John .I supplied a pic from MXA 1977 some years ago. Alloy swingarm and floating rear brake on Gunters 370B.

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #85 on: December 23, 2012, 12:03:54 pm »
Wouldn't huskibuls edition be the one you want? Not the third edition as its too late in the year. If it has it as an option from as far back as 76 then that's the proof you need.
So will a converted c swing arm be okay then? Or should it be a real deal one? Surely one could change one so you couldn't tell one from the other.
In the end it's nothing like a period aftermarket cool part in my eyes. Gimme a dg or a Thor any day.  ;D

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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #86 on: December 23, 2012, 12:07:03 pm »
Yep you are right 090. My mistake. The 76 book is the one I will be needing if it is ok with Huskibul
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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #87 on: December 23, 2012, 12:22:47 pm »
Just to throw a spanner in the works have a look at the rear brake setup on the RM250A brochure


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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #88 on: December 23, 2012, 12:31:32 pm »
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Mark. Read my posts.
I did read your posts Ted. I wasn't writing about you're case specifically, I was generalising.

As I said earlier I don't know what's kosher about the RM125B alloy swingarm but I do know that our esteemed rule book has the over riding statement that to be eligible for a particular division the bike or major component must be of the "designated year" as described by the factory. Although there are a lot of discrepancies with the description, overall it's worked pretty well. For a long time Bultaco owners cried from the mountain tops that because the Mk8 Pursang was available in 1974, it must surely be eligible for pre 75. The reason it's not allowed is that the Mk 8 is designated by the factory as the 1975 model....end of argument.

Now, allow me to play the devils advocate for a moment. I think it's a given that the Suzuki RM125-B is legal for the pre -78 class using the factory steel swing arm. Would it be a possibility that the optional alloy swingarm might be a designated 1978 factory update? If that's indeed the case, I'd say that the swingarm is not legal by standards of precedent. I'll give an example, I can't use a 1" longer 1975 Maico swing arm on my 1974 model even though the 1975 model was released in late 1974. And another...you're not allowed to use a modified alloy Pro-Link swingarm from an 81 CR250 Honda on your 80 model twin shocker.

The factories often played the year pushing game by calling a particular updated part the following years part..i.e. the RM-B swingarm being touted as a 1978 update (even though it was sold in 1977). I don't have a strong opinion either way on this but if a precedent has been set by other situations, you have to go with the results of that precedent.
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Re: RM125B incl spares.
« Reply #89 on: December 23, 2012, 12:42:15 pm »
Back on Page 3 i asked if anybody knew the ruling from MA word for word.......nil response

Back on Page 4 i made a claim that nobody has ever formally challenged MA......nil response

Noel, I'm with you.... Looks like an urban myth to me
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