Pre 78 Rule changes

[Davey Crocket]

Is this about Victorians and New South Welshman being a bunch of sore loosers?....they seen to be the only ones wingging....it always erks me too when you get the tossers that dont race put there 2 bobs worth in. The system works pretty good that we have, everybody that RACES has the same rule book to adhere too and it's pretty basic shit but theres always somebody that pushes the limits and when it turns to shit its not there fault....modern society= blame someone/thing else....it couldnt possibly be me...and then just keep arguing some invalid point untill you wear them down....sound familiar?..... You blokes need to get out of your dark, cold, dingey holes, come up to QLD (7 nil cockroaches) and race...we have a great time up here...2 awesome clubs...100's of happy punters....more race meetings than you could poke a stick at and get on with life. Mick, you should have thought about putting your post on here before you did it because up untill then no one had bought it up about someone being pinged for incorect travel and disqualified...I feel sorry for your rider as he is the one who got disqualified and its his name, not yours. Answer this...had your bike got away with it, would we be talking about this now......I think we all know the answer to that. The grids in the pre78 Nationals and how sucessful it was goes to show that where on a good thing.....another QLD inititive....you blokes would be still under your mushrooms if it wasnt for us....just follow us eh...learn from the best.

[maico police]

I so look forward to meeting you one day Tate.

[09.0]

Changing the rules to make standard bikes legal, is hardly going to "turn it on its head".

We've accepted that the difference in travel makes sod-all difference to the bikes' speed, and may even be detrimental.
What's the argument against allowing standard bikes to compete, again? That we're afraid of change?

for me personally, I'm against it because I came into Vmx, bought bikes, ran them in the correct eras, adhered to the rules, part of which making both my pre78 bikes comply and being happy to comply, to then have someone get done at the nats and crying foul and using that as a basis to change rules that have been in place from the beginning. And it's not too hard to conform to the rules.

[Davey Crocket]

Come up to the Conondale Classic Mont....4th and 5th of August, best track in Australia, "Pro Class" races with the best ever assembled field to be seen on a race track for a vintage meet (another QLD first....ill be putting a list up of riders shortly)...come on Mont....you'll have a ball....get over the 300km thing....well look after you like a brother   seriously, we would love some Vics to come up.

[motomaniac]

We're not in 1977 we're in 2012 and are trying to preserve an era in vintage racing.
Pre '78 means '75,'76 & '77 model bikes and the 9" rule at least gives the '75 & '76 models a chance to be competitive otherwise it'll become the 1977 class...
The full grids at the Nationals tells us something... The pre '78 class is OK!

we're not in 77 we're in 2012 and trying to preserve an era .

thats an oxymoron.


[/quote]Whatever.. if you want the rule changed it aint gunna happen on here. At the end of the day i couldn't give a fork, I build a bike to suit the class and go racing.
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I think that what slakewell wrote at the beginning of the thread - second line.
Yer exactly , I don't think that people will runaway from pre78 because they dont have to put spacers in their suspension.Do you ?

[worms]

its like what came first, the chicken or the egg.

just ride to rules and you dont have a problem, you dont like those rules, ride another class, just make sure you have self-returning folding footpegs

cheers Worms

[09.0]

Surely it's the same mind set as pre 75 and limiting the suspension  on certain bikes. Why not change those rules the same way as well?
I'd say because those rules didn't affect you ( slakewell ) at the nats.

[Rossvickicampbell]

I must admit Mr Brad - well written - I would support removing the travel restrictions to allow original bikes to compete as I have one and think it is silly to take a step back - however your statement of the otherr side of the coin re bringing the entire class/era/period together (ie for the sake of the shorter travel 76 etc era bikes) makes sense also and probably is for the greater good of the class for sake of numbers.

ta

[motomaniac]

I ride a 77 model in both pre 78 and EVO in VCM and VIPER all the time.I love it.

Again you are talking about a club day. You want to call it a fancy name to make out its a big series but it has to be a different form of a club day.

Okay have it your way , everything that isn't the Nats is a club event from now on .No problem, except we used the MA rule book to run our "clubday" series (and are MA affiliated) so when discussing the MA rules why do you make a differentiation between our "clubday" series and the Nats ?

[John Orchard]

I must admit Mr Brad - well written - I would support removing the travel restrictions to allow original bikes to compete as I have one and think it is silly to take a step back - however your statement of the otherr side of the coin re bringing the entire class/era/period together (ie for the sake of the shorter travel 76 etc era bikes) makes sense also and probably is for the greater good of the class for sake of numbers.

ta

Agreed  :-)

[motomaniac]

I ride a 77 model in both pre 78 and EVO in VCM and VIPER all the time.I love it.
[/quote] I'm talking about a over in England mainly (in that quote you high lighted) with the level of competition over there you wouldn't lob up with a '77 model to race twin shock and they don't. Same as you wouldn't bring one to an evo Nationals here.

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In the "clubday" series that I race in I have been racing against to name a few , Gary Pye ,Arno Franz and the Smith bro's all known Nats place getting in recent times.I prefer and have had better results with my 77 bike than the evo bike that I had prior.I will bring my 77 bike to the nationals and race EVO on it when I know that I wont be driving home with a sour taste in my mouth like my friend did from Conondale.

[worms]

I ride a 77 model in both pre 78 and EVO in VCM and VIPER all the time.I love it.
[/quote] Again you are talking about a club day. You want to call it a fancy name to make out its a big series but it has to be a different form of a club day.
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Okay have it your way , everything that isn't the Nats is a club event from now on .No problem, except we used the MA rule book to run our "clubday" series (and are MA affiliated) so when discussing the MA rules why do you make a differentiation between our "clubday" series and the Nats ?
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so if your not racing for sheep stations, you cant be affiliated to MA? so you cant change supp regs to suit your event? even more so what event of yours are you running with level 4 scrutineers,they must be MA appointed, to determine the rules and elligabilty, I'm a bit lost on it all, are you guys paying to run a National event evry time you race or are you just dealing with MV? then MV would run your State Titles, so you must be running a closed to club event, wouldnt you?

confuesd worms

[motomaniac]

I ride a 77 model in both pre 78 and EVO in VCM and VIPER all the time.I love it.
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The rules have been the same since their inception. Why all of a sudden now are they not good enough? Sure as shit you were around at the beginning of pre78. Why the fork didn't you do it then? I got into vmx in '07. In over 5 years its been good enough, the yanks deal with it. If it's such an injustice, why now?
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You assume too much , as usual. I don't know when the beginning of our pre 78 rules were .When my brother started racing VMX on a 77 YZ250  in 96 neither of us everlooked at a rule book ,same goes for when I did a couple of years in the early 00's on my 400 .I only became aware of the rules just after I started on this forum which was 08 . What happened at Conondale motivated me to get my MOMs out and start reading.

[motomaniac]

I ride a 77 model in both pre 78 and EVO in VCM and VIPER all the time.I love it.
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You also have so much to add to these types of threads yet I have never seen you at any major event that I have attended, especially a national event, even when it's in your back yard.
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I was thinking of it but have  been put off.
I wouldn't ride Broadford if the Nats were there every year and they paid me to turn up.

[motomaniac]

I ride a 77 model in both pre 78 and EVO in VCM and VIPER all the time.I love it.
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While I'm here as a side note, you recently brought up my Maico as not complying, insinuating I was a cheat. Well as you would know I won the class and my bike was WELL under spec. Seeing as I really took offence to your accusation which was very unfounded, here is a nice big f uck you as well.
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Someone else who apparently had some history on your bike mention about the bike have 78 model forks .I mearly agreed once it was brought to my attention. I didn't reply to your crap about the caps being aftermarket becuase I didnt want to embarress you any further . Although I did save pics of all the main aftermarket air fork caps for Maicos at the time.

Oh very good Thank you and a nice a bigga forka off to you too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP2tqJTSfgU