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Your thoughts regarding flag duties.

Hosting club to provide flag people.
8 (18.6%)
Independant paid flagging group. (dream at this stage.)
1 (2.3%)
Just hope a friend comes to help you.
1 (2.3%)
Pre-arrange the req`d amount of flaggies and pay them.
13 (30.2%)
Pay a fee to cover flaggies.
20 (46.5%)

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Re: Flag Marshalls Australia wide.
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2012, 09:25:43 pm »
I think its all to hard know with mx, everyone has some good idea, but cannot agree on anything, I think its time to sell up and go trial riding, their meetings work well and all competitors pitch in and help out on the day, very well organized

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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2012, 09:36:10 pm »
Enjoy yourself.
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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2012, 10:21:02 pm »
i thought flGGIES ONLY NEEDED TO BE OVER 16..... only the 4 key officials need to be over 18.   Approach the scouts and so on and get them to do half days ... surely dontating them $200 is better for them than doing a sausage sizzle at bunnings on a sat...


Mate, I believe you should be thinking close to a four digit number for the Bunnings snag sizzle income from what I've been told. Bunnings supplies the BBQ, bread, snags sauce etc etc. All the fund raisers need to do is provide the few workers for a few hours and only 10min from home, clean, relatively quiet and all done on Saturday morning, no comparision I'm afraid.

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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2012, 11:32:49 pm »
No comment on the remote system?

Geez Canam I hope yr not trying to get out of Flagging at this years HBBB  ;D

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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2012, 11:33:53 pm »
What about for any given track approaching the closest local Rotary or Lions club?
One hundred entrants @$6 a head, Plus to get them interested how about allowing them to organise the lunch break sausage sanga sizzles etc, or such. Surely some of them would at least consider it? Might not work every where, but hey half a problem is not such a huge problem any more :-\

Remember these people love to raise money for the local communities and a grand or more for a days grunt would surely get them interested and lets face it they know how to organise,,,, = less strain on our clubs and officials.
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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2012, 07:29:12 pm »

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« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2012, 07:50:51 pm »
Lets just forget the whole bloody thing & go to the pub >:(.

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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2012, 09:39:04 am »
HIRE -A-Flaggie, $60 per person for a day standing on a corner, fully trained. free meals for the flaggie on the day. No travelling. To have 5 to 8 flaggies at $10 per hour is chicken shit for a club.

The day rate that was offered to us when I was on the gate checking bags as people came through the main gate at the Yarra Glen horse race meetings. And they paid us $150 for the day and that 12 years ago.
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« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2012, 12:38:18 pm »
It is OK to vote for paying someone but there are many issues that make it impractical such as availability of suitable staff, workers comp premiums, Fair Work Australia pay rates, etc etc. None insurmountable but big for a club day.

I found this company
http://www.inismotorsport.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20:motox&catid=25:solutions&Itemid=60

maybe a workable solution for MA to buy and hire to clubs?

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Re: Flag Marshalls Australia wide.
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2013, 12:37:13 am »
Its not for MA to manage at club and interclub level
Alison,
It’s not about what happens on the day, it’s about the issue in general. If it is such a problem Australia wide, then MA should have it tabled at its motocross & motocross subcommittee meetings for it to be discussed, particularly if it perilously close to bringing the sport to its knees. I haven’t got enough toes and fingers to count the amount of times that I have left riders briefing not knowing when the first race will start because the organising club can’t get enough flag marshals together. On more than one occasion we have forgone racing on the day to flag or marshal in one way or another.
Perhaps MA might be able to put in place some actions to gather ideas & solutions from other disciplines and parts of the world to find a solution or part thereof.
 

Very true and an old thread,but with the attitude of "I'm riding" and "I'll pay for a years worth of flaggies" we are all still stuck in the same square.  :)
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« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2013, 09:08:39 am »
It's probably every clubs biggest pain in the arse/difficult issue, how to fix it I don't know. I have flagged my fair share and do know that paying some one $50 to flag is just not enough. Let's face it, it's a boring, shitful, mostly uncomfortable job. Probably not so bad at junior level as parents should be happy to flag for their own kids, but as adults, who in reality wants to flag? I no longer go to modern MX meetings mainly for this reason. I go by myself, pay to ride, and have no-one to flag for me and have no inclination to hold a flag. Yes I am part of the problem.
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Re: Flag Marshalls Australia wide.
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2013, 11:31:03 am »
My 2 cents,

It was to come in this year (In Vic) & I know it has been touched on but ALL volunteers at a meet will be classed as unpaid workers & therefore cover by OH&S laws.

This is killing lots of events, not just racing, and helpers are drying up quicker than a free keg in Cooper Pedy.

Also MA ARE going to make flag marshals have a level 1 officials licence (On line test) & may well make it a condition of aquiring a race licence (Or parent)

Money doesn't seem to be the answer unless you are prepared to pay a sh*tload. We are seriously discussing making it $2000 coz $500 doesn't come near it, $1000 only got limited interest.

This is fine for regions & state/opens where it would cost $5-$10 an entry but for interclub (Viper & the such) would mean another say $20, $30, $40 each (For a Viper) & that could be the preverbial straw for some.

Have to look at ways that makes the sport cheaper not dearer. That said, it definitely makes for a better day for all & I'm prepared to pay.

Like everyone, I don't have the answer.
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Re: Flag Marshalls Australia wide.
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2013, 01:02:15 pm »
When I raced in my younger days flaggies were friend/family volunteers but sometimes local youth groups (Scouts/Boys brigade etc) were encouraged to do it as part of a fund raiser in conjunction with a sausage sizzle BBQ (usually the only hot food at many of the farm paddocks we raced on) perhaps club organisers could make an approach to one of these type of groups who might find the oppertunity beneficial.
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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2013, 01:30:15 pm »
When we held our first VMX events at Amaroo Park in 1988 we hired, through Amaroo management the Flag Marshals League to supply flaggies. It worked simply with a pre determined donation covering them, all we had to do was supply flags and feed and supply them drinks. They came in nice crisp white overalls, their own chairs and umbrellas and were really professional at what they did. This is the same crew that did Bathurst, the F1GP's and other big events. Sadly it seems that they've disappeared off the radar...I googled them but only found an expired website.

The new OH&S regulations for volunteers is yet another example of how the stinking insurance companies have lobbied governments to alter or introduce legislation to make their potential for litigation profit even larger. Insurance companies call the shots these days, not governments.

Below is a section from the MCRCWA website:






INFORMATION ON BECOMING A VOLUNTEER MARSHAL
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We hope the following information will assist you in your decision to become involved. As a marshal you are a most important member of any racing organisation – without your valuable time and knowledge there would be no racing.
 
To become part of the Motorcycle Racing Club of WA Marshal’s League you will need to register firstly by:
 
Completing a Registration Form, available from: the web site mcrcwa.com.au or Tel 9409 1002 and a form can be posted or emailed to you. (Minimum age 18 yrs)

Once registered:
 a.You will be contacted a week prior each event to confirm availability.
 b.Report to the Infield Tower, Wanneroo Raceway for Sign on and Briefing.Motorcycle Parking is allowed Infield prior to 8.30am, otherwise park at rear of Pit Paddock and access the infield via the Dummy Grid/Pit Lane/ Start Line ladder.
 c.Sign on commences 7.30am – Briefing to follow at approximately 8.30am by the Chief Flag Marshal. It is a requirement of Motorcycling Australia that all flag and track marshals must sign the indemnity and read the terms and conditions before taking up position on the circuit.
 d.A programme of competitors and events will be available at sign on.
 e.Depending on attendance numbers, 2 to 3 marshals are allocated to each point (with flags, cement dust and fire extinguisher) plus radio communication at various points. Marshals are rotated from point to point during the day (numbers allowing).
 f.Marshals are to note any incidents that occur in their area (ie passing under yellow flags, crashes) these are to be reported to the Chief Flag Marshal /Chief Communications as soon as is possible.
 
Please wear:
 
Suitable clothing ie long pants, t-shirt, jacket, hat and enclosed footwear.
 
A limited amount of wet weather gear is available but you are encouraged to bring your own. An identification marshals vest will be provided at sign-on along with gloves for handling of motorcycles. Ear plugs and sunscreen also provided.
 
Food and drink
 
The MCRC of WA will supply lunch and refreshments during the day, tea and coffee at sign on and a free drink voucher end of day – you are welcome and encouraged to join in the Race Presentations at the end of the day.
 
Newsletters, gifts and prizes
 
Each regular flag marshal will receive the Club’s monthly Newsletter via mail to keep you in touch with what’s happening. There are also prizes/fuel money to be won at each race meeting and at the final race meeting for the season, each marshal is presented with a thank you gift from the MCRC and a Trophy to the Flag Marshal of the Year is presented.
 
 
 
Duties of Flag and Track Marshals
 a.To observe competitors in their area of operation (usually corner) and display relevant flags to ensure the safety of riders. When there is an obstruction on the track (usually a fallen rider or a rider with machine trouble or either an oil spill or debri on track) it is the flag marshal’s responsibility to give oncoming riders a warning, so that they may take precautions to prevent a further accident.

Clearing of the track or helping injured riders are not the flag marshals’ responsibilities but are to be carried out by a track marshal/s allocated to your point.
 b.To communicate with relevant next in chain of command at meeting, any irregularities ie oil/ debri on track, fallen rider etc.
 
 
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Re: Flag Marshalls Australia wide.
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2013, 01:58:58 pm »
CG - I think there are age limitis on flaggies as well - so limits using Scouts and such organisations?
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