What is this thing called carbon tax?

[pancho]

What will we discuss next? religion?
 Pancho

[Canam370]

What will we discuss next? religion?
 Pancho

How about sombrero's? Or how slow Canams are? 

[AjayVMX]

I like Tequila, if that helps. 

[Nathan S]

OK, MM, so you were asking me to clarify myself on something that wasn't clear to you? No worries.

I've read an awful lot of online comments from right-wingers complaining that the 'nasty socialist' Gillard is attempting to redistribute wealth from "hard-working/salt of the earth/productive/successful" Australians (delete any that do not apply), and hand it straight to "dole bludgers/refugees/immigrants/the under class [whatever that means]".
I then found it quite amusing that you claimed that she was redistributing wealth from the same middle class and handing it to the wealthiest end of town, which is pretty much the exact opposite of the earlier argument...
It sure is tough being part of the comfortably well off middle class in this country....  

Hence I made the sarcastic comment that upset you so. If I wasn't being sarcastic, I'd have have simply, dryly pointed out the contradiction.

Increasingly (see TM Bill's sig) I try to avoid getting into the tit-for-tat arguments -  hence my desire to opt out of the squabble you appeared keen to engage in.  

Clear enough?

[motomaniac]

OK, MM, so you were asking me to clarify myself on something that wasn't clear to you? No worries.

I've read an awful lot of online comments from right-wingers complaining that the 'nasty socialist' Gillard is attempting to redistribute wealth from "hard-working/salt of the earth/productive/successful" Australians (delete any that do not apply), and hand it straight to "dole bludgers/refugees/immigrants/the under class [whatever that means]".
I then found it quite amusing that you claimed that she was redistributing wealth from the same middle class and handing it to the wealthiest end of town, which is pretty much the exact opposite of the earlier argument...
It sure is tough being part of the comfortably well off middle class in this country....  

Hence I made the sarcastic comment that upset you so. If I wasn't being sarcastic, I'd have have simply, dryly pointed out the contradiction.

and I suggested that you can't be that naive to believe the promise of compensation is any more than an effort to win support for the tax.( and I might add to divert attention away from the actual issue, which its obviously doing very well)There's no contradiction from me.I didnt engage in any earlier argument.

[Canam370]

I like Tequila, if that helps. 

Tequila always helps. Do you eat the pickled insect too?

[Nathan S]

And where did I suggest that I thought the compensation wasn't about politics?
What did it have to do with my comment about wealth redistribution?

There's no doubt that a carbon tax would be far simpler and far more effective at its stated goal, if it wasn't lumbered with rebates and exemptions and all the rest - presumably at a much lower rate/ton.
But apparently that's politically unpalatable, particularly as it would end up being strongly revenue positive...

[AjayVMX]

I like Tequila, if that helps. 

Tequila always helps. Do you eat the pickled insect too?

Hell no.  Eeek! 

[AjayVMX]

And by the way, the "Carbon Tax" is of course the ONLY way that the Labor government can have any chance of EVER running a surplus, which is why they embraced it when Bob Brown forced it on them.  And no, it's not going to be tax neutral in the first year, as promised... 

Another interesting statistic:

The much-lauded European ETS which the Climate action pursuers use as a reason for Australia to act now, only generates 500 million Euro per year for the whole of Europe.  The proposed Carbon Tax will generate $11 billion per year from Australia, a country with a fraction of the population of Europe. 

Why?

Wealth re-distribution, that's why. 

[Nathan S]

Every tax must surely be about wealth redistribution? Why does that make the Carbon Tax so unacceptable?
The carbon tax is at least able to be minimized by individuals.

Why not rally against payroll tax, which really is a "great big tax on everything"?

[motomaniac]

And where did I suggest that I thought the compensation wasn't about politics?
What did it have to do with my comment about wealth redistribution?

here :- Wait, what? I've been reaing about how the "Transfer of wealth" is all about taking money from the hard working wealthy to give to the lazy bludgers, and now its about giving it to the bankers?

Its all politics.I said that the promise of compensation was a ploy to win over support -and thats all-

The real transfer of wealth will happen when they get enough countries to implement a carbon tax and then sign an agreement ,like they tried in Copenhagen.

[motomaniac]

Every tax must surely be about wealth redistribution? In a feudal system yes tax is about wealth redistribution .We are not supposed to be living in a feudal system .

[Mike52]

We are not supposed to be living in a feudal system .

We are now so close to the truth .
I have wondered about the similaritys between a feudal system and ours.

[Nathan S]

And where did I suggest that I thought the compensation wasn't about politics?
What did it have to do with my comment about wealth redistribution?

here :- Wait, what? I've been reaing about how the "Transfer of wealth" is all about taking money from the hard working wealthy to give to the lazy bludgers, and now its about giving it to the bankers?

Its all politics.I said that the promise of compensation was a ploy to win over support -and thats all-

The real transfer of wealth will happen when they get enough countries to implement a carbon tax and then sign an agreement ,like they tried in Copenhagen.

You need to reread, with a lot more care and attention to what has actually been written.
Until then, feel free to keep shooting down what you think I think.

[motomaniac]

Every tax must surely be about wealth redistribution? Why does that make the Carbon Tax so unacceptable?
The carbon tax is at least able to be minimized by individuals.

Why not rally against payroll tax, which really is a "great big tax on everything"?

no tax is not about wealth redistribution. plain and simple.

payroll tax is not on everything ,its on payrolls ,its paid by people who employ. Carbon tax is on everything and paid by everyone (unless you live like aboriginies before white settlement) .We were told that there would be no carbon tax by Gillard .She lied .