What is this thing called carbon tax?

[motomaniac]

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I'll also add that Howard left us with a pile of cash (good) which was largely accumulated by neglecting captial expenditure (bad).

A pile of cash that started out as a huge debt from the Keating Government.It was there for a rainy day and allowed initiatives like the first home owners scheme that was largely responsible for us avoiding the 2001 recession that most evrywhere else experienced.
Rudd gave are money to the Banks ,with no preconditions or scrutiny , the banks used it to specilate and made huge profits
He also gave to the Auto industy in a similar fashion and the money went off shore.
Then there was the home insulation scheme and the two stimulus handouts that was supposed to help the during the GFC (which isn't over) creating more debts to help a GFC thats roots were debt itself.That makes sense.
His successor elects to tax the people in time of national disaster and then whipes her hands of further events and puts the responsibilty on natural disasters in the future on the states themselves which is in effect another tax.






Labor robs Peter to pay Paul, all these tax's are being paid by the average Australian, carbon tax will be the same.Its all a transfer of wealth from the average joe to the bankers and global corporations and it happening the world over in case you hadn't noticedwhile Liberal robs Paul to pay Peter.
Either way, some punters are gonna be unhappy if you hadn't noticed the present PM is about the most unpopular in our history and the carbon tax is 85 against -15 for- until we collectively grow the f#$k up and accept that our own personal demands are not the only demands placed on the govt, OR we grow the F$%k up go back to english clas and write that again so it makes senseand accept that it comes at the cost of more taxonce again admitting that this is about taxation.Your "fear mongers" said this before the last election, there will always be people who are unhappy with the governmentwealth transfer and ever increasing living cost will do that.Meantime your treasury secretary says that Australian don't work hard enough!Does he infer that we work harder to pay more tax's ? Is there an ALP version of work choices in the wind?, regardless of who is in power...very profound
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[Nathan S]

....all these tax's are being paid by the average Australian, carbon tax will be the same.Its all a transfer of wealth from the average joe to the bankers and global corporations and it happening the world over in case you hadn't noticed

Wait, what? I've been reaing about how the "Transfer of wealth" is all about taking money from the hard working wealthy to give to the lazy bludgers, and now its about giving it to the bankers?

"until we collectively grow the f#$k up and accept that our own personal demands are not the only demands placed on the govt,
OR
we grow the F$%k up and accept that it comes at the cost of more tax"

Its pretty clear when you're sober.

once again admitting that this is about taxation.Your "fear mongers" said this before the last election[/b], there will always be people who are unhappy with the governmentwealth transfer and ever increasing living cost will do that.Meantime your treasury secretary says that Australian don't work hard enough!Does he infer that we work harder to pay more tax's ? Is there an ALP version of work choices in the wind?, regardless of who is in power...very profound

Now who's not making sense?
Ever increasing cost of living is an inevitable outcome of inflation which is an inevitable outcome of economic growth. But the real point is that we're actually doing pretty bloody well right now, all things considered - certainly nowhere near as badly as Abbott would have us believe.
And tell me about this treasury I now apparently have! Must be more than the couple of hundred bucks I keep in the sock drawer, if it needs its own secretary.
PS: The speaker implies, the listener infers.

[AjayVMX]

This says it all to me.  An extract from "The Australian" today:

"Ross Garnaut's report projected China's annual emissions to increase by six billion tonnes by 2020. This would swamp the 50 million tonnes to be cut under Australia's bipartisan 2020 target"

Let's see... China's forecast increase in CO2 emissions will be 6 Billion / 9 years = 667 million / year or 55.5 million tonnes of CO2 per month.

Therefore Australia's 2020 CO2 emissions target will be overcome by China's increase in emissions in less than one month.

So why are we going to try and reduce Australlia emissions by taxing our most competitive industries in world terms, with the very real prospect of destroying them completely?  (shifting them to China who will emit even more)

Economic suicide. 

[motomaniac]

Wait, what? I've been reaing about how the "Transfer of wealth" is all about taking money from the hard working wealthy to give to the lazy bludgers, and now its about giving it to the bankers?

Wait you can't be that niave,or can you? If you can't see that the promise of compensation is any more than a statergy to lull to lower class's into supporting the tax then there litle to no hope for you.

[motomaniac]

This says it all to me.  An extract from "The Australian" today:

"Ross Garnaut's report projected China's annual emissions to increase by six billion tonnes by 2020. This would swamp the 50 million tonnes to be cut under Australia's bipartisan 2020 target"

Let's see... China's forecast increase in CO2 emissions will be 6 Billion / 9 years = 667 million / year or 55.5 million tonnes of CO2 per month.

Therefore Australia's 2020 CO2 emissions target will be overcome by China's increase in emissions in less than one month.

So why are we going to try and reduce Australlia emissions by taxing our most competitive industries in world terms, with the very real prospect of destroying them completely?  (shifting them to China who will emit even more)

Economic suicide. 

Yer first we had Keatings "level playing field" which ensured most of our indusrty either shutdown or moved in the new world of globalization .Now its looking like we will have "Gillards Handicap"
 Such is  progress!

[Gippslander]

Again in the Australian today:

The basic flaw in Labor's carbon price, Abbott claimed, was that it created a cash cow to inflate the size of government. "As long as the price is paid to government, regulating carbon dioxide by putting a price on it should give every market enthusiast pause for thought," he said. "Even if what's traded is a property right given to business, there's the issue of regulating such an unusual market. This, after all, is a market based on the non-delivery of an invisible product to no one and is almost certain to be scammed."

[Nathan S]

Wait you can't be that niave,or can you? If you can't see that the promise of compensation is any more than a statergy to lull to lower class's into supporting the tax then there litle to no hope for you.

I give up. You're either trolling or seriously lack the ability to recognise sarcasm - either way, its tedious.

PS: Naive.

[mx250]

Again in the Australian today:

The basic flaw in Labor's carbon price, Abbott claimed, was that it created a cash cow to inflate the size of government. "As long as the price is paid to government, regulating carbon dioxide by putting a price on it should give every market enthusiast pause for thought," he said. "Even if what's traded is a property right given to business, there's the issue of regulating such an unusual market. This, after all, is a market based on the non-delivery of an invisible product to no one and is almost certain to be scammed."

fork, he's being reading my posts .

[mx250]

Yer first we had Keatings "level playing field" which ensured most of our indusrty either shutdown or moved in the new world of globalization .Now its looking like we will have "Gillards Handicap"

See my earlier post . And it's the same argument; "We'll lead the way and morally shamed them into being Free Traders for the benefit of the world". Yeah, right .

[Mike52]

Don,t know what we were all upset about.
The latest is that nobody will pay and the pensioners will get even more back than they,ll not pay in the first place

Money for nothing and your chicks for free.

[mx250]

On the ABC they refer to the announcement tomorrow as "Economic Reform" -  fork, talk about forking spin. Call it economic reform and only talk about how much every one is going to be given by govt. The dishonesty is breathtaking. A pox on Labor for this if no other reason.

[motomaniac]

Wait you can't be that niave,or can you? If you can't see that the promise of compensation is any more than a statergy to lull to lower class's into supporting the tax then there litle to no hope for you.

I give up.
goodo ,might aswell since you were on the backfoot all along




You're either trolling or seriously lack the ability to recognise sarcasm - either way, its tedious.

So I am not sober ,trolling and can't recognise sarcasm.Anything else?
Actually that was about the only thing that you wrote that was even repliable.Too bad that itwas just a bit of jolly sarcasm.HAHA

PS: Naive.Yes ,sorry.

[Nathan S]

Wait, wait - let me guess what your next response will be: "I know you are, you said you are, so what am I?".

If you can explain how your post was possibly sarcastic, then I'll be thoroughly impressed.

[motomaniac]

Wait, wait - let me guess what your next response will be: "I know you are, you said you are, so what am I?".

If you can explain how your post was possibly sarcastic, then I'll be thoroughly impressed.

none of my posts were sarcastic. You are the one who back peddled and said that your post was sarcastic and that I didnt understand your sarcasim and I didnt.I dont see the point of your sarcasm.

[Canam370]

Hmmm......not bad. Its taken 13 pages before the bickering has started. Thats an improvement  C'mon guys, don't lose it now.