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Offline PEZBerq

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Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« on: February 16, 2008, 06:25:18 pm »
Thought forum members might like to see the fruits of the past 9 months spare time in the garage with my 1982 430 XC.  Problem is she wont light up...yet!  It has spark - thanks to Steve at Betta Bikes for breathing life back into the Motoplat mini 6.  It has fuel - the carby is the 38mm Mikuni. 

What are the tricks of the trade to start these beasts?  Does swearing at it help?

All dressed up but nowhere to go!



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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2008, 11:37:01 pm »
Nice resto PezBerg!
If it doesn't start it'll be the Paris Hilton of VMX - looks hot but does nuthin...
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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2008, 04:39:18 pm »
Too bloody true Wombat!   ::)

Pushed it down the hill in my street a few times and it is still refusing to fire.  It definitely has spark just not a super fat spark.  I can smell fuel so its going into the engine.  The virgin NGK B8ES plug definitely smells of fuel.  I have fresh Shell V Power fuel and running 32:1 Castrol synthetic premix.

I'm too damn knackered currently to continue with it so I've made it stand in the corner of the garage in disgrace while I have a few beers :'(

I need some ideas for next steps.  I can double check the timing but I would have thought it would still fire or backfire or something even if the timing was a bit out.  Is there anything in the carb worth checking?  Any ideas anyone? ???
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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2008, 05:15:45 pm »
Your problem is probably the forkING WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT NGK PULG I went through three of the expensive "Iridium"? plugs on my YZ465 before it fired up, then it refused to run after an initial warm up. I put in a battered old chapion N3 copper plus and it started second kick and did so until I sold it. I've said it before and I will say it again NGK are forking RUBBISH
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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2008, 06:43:57 pm »
i know how you feel pezberg...i went for my first ever ride on my Honda CR500RF today at a local enduro/mx track...it was really wet and muddy but i was haven a good time that was until i stalled it a few times and the prick woudnt start...had to push it about half a mile away in the slosh and mud just to run start her on the hard pack road..not once but a couple a times this  happened..yer i reckon ive lost about 5kgs after today and a bit pissed off too... >:(
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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2008, 06:51:31 pm »
Quote from: PEZBerq on February 16, 2008, 06:25:18 pm
  Does swearing at it help?
Works everytime - only prob is that you have to swear in Swedish with the correct pronounciation, accent and hand actions ::)

 ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D

Nice resto BTW.

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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2008, 07:28:50 pm »
Quote from: Andrew vmx on February 17, 2008, 06:43:57 pm
had to push it about half a mile away in the slosh and mud just to run start her on the hard pack road..

im impressed, how the hell did you manage to bump start it, they usually just lock the rear wheel (unless you can get lots of speed, like down a hill)
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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2008, 07:43:23 pm »
I unfortunately have to agree with Cyclegod - tried to start my 360 with a brand new NGK BR9EGV and no go at all whatever - put an old NGK plug in from my other bike and fired in 3 kicks - oh by the way no spark showed on the new plug!!!!

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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 07:47:51 pm »
hoony it started pretty easy on the hard pack road in secong gear..mind you the hill i was goin down was pretty steep and i had to pick a spot which was dry and stoney plus hard packed...another funny part of the day was when it was gettin late and i went out for one last lap and my brother followed me on his xr600... went through this gully which was pretty rutted out was takin it easy cause i didnt wanna roost him, next minute you know hes rammed me from behind and sent me on my arse beside the gully and kept on ridin up on the gully were he stopped and just looked around and laughed his guts out...do you think i could get that 500 started after that no way...had to get a couple of blokes to push me out..and the brother still wouldnt help...flamin prick... ;D
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Quote from: Andrew vmx on February 17, 2008, 06:43:57 pm
had to push it about half a mile away in the slosh and mud just to run start her on the hard pack road..

im impressed, how the hell did you manage to bump start it, they usually just lock the rear wheel (unless you can get lots of speed, like down a hill)
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2008, 08:13:11 pm »
Quote from: Andrew vmx on February 17, 2008, 07:47:51 pm
..do you think i could get that 500 started after that no way...had to get a couple of blokes to push me out..and the brother still wouldnt help...flamin prick... ;D
Hey, its part of the job description for brothers  ;D I bet he was rolling about laughing at ya - thats part of the job description as well ;D.

Ya can pick ya friends but not ya family  :D
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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2008, 08:47:10 pm »
Cyclegod of the universe speak to me. ;)  What plugs are worthy of thee? If NGK stands for No Good Kicking then I'll certainly give something else a go! ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2008, 08:50:54 pm »
Did you get it going, I just purchased a 81 CR430 that has a similar problem, it took a few hours, a few heads and a spare bottom coil and flywheel to sought mine out.
It is the bottom coil that is faulty, it shows a dull spark but would not fire, its a SEM system on mine, can you send details on who rewound your coil.
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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2008, 08:58:56 pm »
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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2008, 05:20:52 pm »
Old Husky

Still no go.  Been using bigger hills but to no avail!

I had the stator repaired by Betta Bikes.  They go it sparking again after replacing the trigger coil.  However I have just discovered today (after asking Steve at Betta about my problem) that it is firing 90 degree too late.  Steve said to check it with a timing light and sure enough the timings way out.  No wonder it wont start and only farts - I here I was thinking that is was a Swedish habbit. 

I wonder if the blue and black wires have been swapped by mistake...would that cause the 90 degree error?  I will have to wait till Monday to ask Betta Bikes but if someone knows here I could change the wires this weekend and get it running maybe!  The tabs are different sizes so you can plug them in wrong at the coil.

BTW I found the fancy Xenon timing lights that need a 12V power supply wouldnt trigger for me on the Husky when kicking the beast over (without the plug fitted to the head of course).  Decided to blow $20 and try an el cheapo neon timing light from Supercheap Autos and it worked great.  Shit light (a dull red) but it works  The light simply connects between the sparkplug lead and the plug itself.  Need to shut the garage up and turn off the lights to see the light however!

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Re: Start Me Up - The Resto's Completed
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2008, 08:40:45 pm »
Why can't you rotate the bottom coil around to correct the 90 degree issue, timing should be about 2.5 mm BTDC, other than that its over my head this electrical stuff, 67 Husky should be able to help you on this one, he's a sparkie, he will probably see this and reply, good luck!!
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