Check out my new ride. Worth the money????

[090]

I know a fellow  here in victoria pay $5000 for a complete basket case cz 360 twinport, and that was about 12 years ago or more and it is still a baskets case rotting on his dirt floor in his shed. What are worried about brad just be gratefull that you have the pair, l bought a twinport 250 from new zealand and it was junk paid good money for too, stop whinging and enjoy it.

I know of a few guys that paid through the nose or got a bad deal. So because you got a bad deal every body else has to swallow it? Bet you would have a whinge in peoples ears about a bad deal you got. The difference is I got out of my comfort zone to tell everyone what this guy has done to me (us).
This bike will be rebuilt and ridden.

[Freakshow]

the shocks look differant in the fotos to the ones you show....

[090]

the shocks look differant in the fotos to the ones you show....

No, they are the same. They are off a '77 cr125 or 250. But rooted.

[suzuki43]

Brad,looks like the facts are clear,sorry about this happening to you mate,hope it doesnt sour your opinion of us sheep shaggers too much.
Craig

[paul]

brad this back and forward shit will get you no were ,he said she said ,just remember the bike will be worth 15 plus k when finished

[090]

do you take trade ins

Oh piss off
Thanks Craig and all the others that have replied.
I know Paul , its all bitching and shit but I decided he wasn't going to get away with ripping my Dad off and am prepared to tell the world.
If I hadn't done this, he would have slinked away rubbing his hands and not heard about it again and there would be whispers behind his back. I will make him feel as uncomfortable as possible. I hope to meet him some day.
I still have the U.S and U.K to go 

[LWC82PE]

Bottom line for me is that is someone says the engine has been 'rebuilt' i dont pay any attention to that unless they have reciepts of proof of work done to it etc, even then i would still be stripping it to check its up to my standard anyway. I always assume no matter what the seller says, that it will still need completely re-doing and is piece of mind for me anyway. I have also seen heaps of guys get burned on bikes that have been described as being rebuilt/good condition etc and look good in the photos and then the bike turns out to be a total lemon. That happened to a guy i know when he bought a Triton interstate for 8G or what ever it was. So many things wrong with it and had to be re-done and hes probably paid another 8G on top of that to get it fixed and hes still not finished with it yet. I am not taking sides but it was good to see the sellers point of view and that made me see things differently to what i initally did, but its good that Brad announced it on here just so the seller didnt think he could hide from it but i still understand his point of view saying it was a 45 yr old bike.

What i would like to know is how much $ value is a CZ like this worth just for the rarity/special/desirable factor of the bike? Would you be paying $2000 or $3000 in the total price straigt up first, just for the 'rarity/desirability' factor? Someone above said someone payed $5000 for a rough old basket case so it seems they are really highly valued even just for that so maybe 8G isnt too bad afterall? I have no idea about these models but from what i gather, you just dont see one of these rock up for sale on ebay or at a swapmeet every month or so and we are not talking CR250's or RM400's etc here.

[090]

I reckon it is a fair deal, hell bike is 45 years old, you have to be realistic about what you expect, you get a real peach, or maybe not but finally as the buyer you have top make the call.

I mean it is a CZ, so the motor could have been like that from the factory 

Maybe you think its a fair deal. The point of all of this bitch is;
Did he say the shocks are rooted?...NO
''     ''   ''    ''    motor   was rooted      ....NO
''     ''   ''    ''  forks were rooted      ....NO
''     ''   ''    ''   seat was rooted ......NO
"     "   "     "  Controls were rooted...NO
DID HE SAY IT NEEDED MORE TIME THAN $$ to get it running......YES.
And since when does the age of a bike have anything to do with it?
The same situation can happen with a bike twelve months old. One flogged to death and another hardly ridden.

If I had been informed of the faults and still bought it, no contest.

[SAABCOMBI]

Brad, l feel for you mate, l would be so pissed off, as l was with my twin port, so l sold it,but l was so clear about the condition of it at the time, the new owner was find about it. My twin port cost my a cool 4500 dollars at the time.

[jimg1au]

brad
my cz400 was totaly rooted when i got it no ididnt pay 8000 for it but it is fine now.as paul says when you and your dad are finished it will be worth 15k.i dont belive people who say motor rebuilt and still the price is on the cheepish side for a 1965 open motorcrosser.when i buy things how i expect total engine rebuilds.
jim

[DP]

As most of you are aware I am the person that has sold the CZ360 to Brad . I had to wait for my OZ forum account to be activated before I was able to post on here although I did put a response to Brads comments on VMX Livewire which someone had also posted on this forum. Although I am new to this forum I have been involved with VMX in NZ & Australia since 1994.

Like Paul said it is pointless to get into a back & forward “he said, she said” argument on a forum site & I also do not have time for that, but I feel some things need to be brought out in the open.

 The bike has never been restored, and I did not say it had been. I did say I started to tidy it up 6-8 years ago but had never finished it off as there was never any intention to sell or race it. I did not have the advertised or did I tell people it was for sale.

I did not tell Brad the motor was reconditioned, why would I say it was reconditioned  & then say it would need more work if you were going to race it ?.

We never talked about the forks or shocks & Brad never asked about them, they are the same forks & shocks that were in the pics.

In the first phone conversation I had with Brad I said the seat still needed doing & that the handle bars were not original.

The controls were rubbish when I got the bike (plastic throttle & broken lever) these also were in the pics I sent Brad.

As people who are involved with VMX will know, there is a big difference between a 45 year old dirt bike that has not been restored ( this was made very clear to Brad in our first  phone conversation) & a bike that is race ready.  I gave a honest description of the bike(to the best of my knowledge) & would have been happy to take more photos or answer more questions if asked.

 I did offer to refund some money for the rims & also said I would try to help with the storage fees if I could ( these fees were from Brad not filling out the correct paperwork on his side)


Regards
Daryl Poulsen

[Marc.com]

hey Daryl,

you are dead right, any 45 year old bike is going to need going over and you said that. Key issue is did you misrepresent it as immaculate and it appears not.

As a buyer you expect that when you buy, sometimes you get lucky when you open them up and others not. Pony up cost of doing business.

As for the importation costs that is down to the importer to have their paperwork sorted. Unless for some reason you with held the commercial invoice and delayed clearance form your side.

[DP]

Thanks Marc

The shipping & paper work was all ok on this side. It was in Australia where the problems started.
It is a shame things like this happen as it leaves a sour taste in everyones mouth.

DP

[paul]

ive sold and bought bikes and bits from brad over a period of time and ive always found him to be truthfull and honest in his dealings and i have no reason to doubt what he says

[Marc.com]

Thanks Marc
The shipping & paper work was all ok on this side. It was in Australia where the problems started.
It is a shame things like this happen as it leaves a sour taste in everyones mouth.
DP

Then it becomes the importers issue and cost for not doing their  homework on how to carry out the clearance.