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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2010, 04:02:34 pm »

 I will be keeping a close eye on this situation in case we need a mediator.

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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2010, 04:16:57 pm »
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Come on Nathan....Pre 85 is only a new thing and pre 90 is still essentially only a proposal. The time for pre 95 is still at least five years away so I reckon we're better off fixing the problems with the sport today than adding to the situation.
This is silly and I know that if I don't walk away this'll turn into a bunfight well in need of a mediator. Vintage motocross is up shit creek and nobody's got the smarts or the guts to do anything about it.  Fu*k me, the sport's gone down the slippery slide since the intro of Evo and further down the gurgler every time another brain surgeon introduces yet another division. You don't fix a hole in a bucket by adding more water. Pre 95? Yep it's a wind up all right. >:(

What really annoys me is that I let this obvious wind up get to me, thus disregarding my own advice :-[.


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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2010, 04:37:15 pm »
This is a cunning and devious plan to assist the pre90 issue. The old divide and conquer thing if you throw enough hats in the air chances are at least one will fly ::)

Why don't we forget about Pre90 and just have Pre95 ('85 - '94). Imagine you could have graded races.

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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2010, 04:41:32 pm »


Its going to be bad , i just know it

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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2010, 05:27:43 pm »
This just has to be a fuc*ing wind up. ;D

Funny thing, I was exchanging emails with an American mate this morning and he told me that the fastest growing sector of the sport in his area, the Northwest Coast, the Premier class (roughly pre 65) is attracting vastly increased numbers and that they, like us are finding it hard to fill many classes in the Evo and pre 85 divisions. The same arguments for and against pre 90 and pre 95 are going on there as well.


Firko with the greatest respect mate you need to get out to a club day soon. The lack of numbers in the earlier divisions is what we are suffering from. Not as you say "finding it hard to fill many classes in the Evo and pre 85 divisions".

I had the opportunity to view the current HEAVEN point score last weekend at Canberra. The amount of participants this year in the later classes and especially in EVO is astounding possibly at an all time high in some classes while numbers in pre '78 and earlier are consistently low.

Despite the fantastic efforts of the committee's over the past three years in running friendly and fun events it seems that the good old boys and their mates were so badly burned by the previous administration that we have lost them forever. I can understand that as the dictators also made me abandon the club during their reign of terror. But I bit the bullet and came back when we were rid of them and have had the most enjoyable years of VMX I have experienced.

It would be great if you could rally the troops and get out to Canowindra. There is probably no better venue in NSW at the moment for Pre '78 racing. I am sure if you all give it a go your opinion of racing with HEAVEN will change dramatically for the better.

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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2010, 05:28:57 pm »
Shoey I am loving your pussies....

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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2010, 05:37:38 pm »
You don't fix a hole in a bucket by adding more water.

Good analogy. The only way to fix the holes in the VMX bucket is to somehow stop people ageing, so they forever remain young enough to race the bikes they're passionate about.

Until then, keeping fresh blood flowing in (ie: pouring in more water) is the only way to ensure the bucket doesn't end up empty.

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Outside of WA, the genie has already been let out of the bottle. We can't simply disregard all of the punters with post-74 bikes, and concentrate on pre-75 only - there would be hell to pay.
However, we can build a new bottle for the pre-75 genie. Until then, its all pissing in the wind.

So... Unless the NSW pre-75 hard-cores are willing to put in the time and effort to create and run a stand-alone pre-75 club, then they are also going to have to accept that there will be other people pushing our one Vintage MX club in directions they might no like.
Why did Penrith turn away from pre-75? Why did HEAVEN become the only place for pre-75 VMX?
Bet it has SFA to do with Evo (and later) bikes....
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2010, 09:21:12 pm »
I like Shoey's photos...  so I will join in.  ;D

Pre-95???


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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2010, 10:13:54 pm »
Instead of pissing around with pre 90, just make it up to pre 95.....far easier ;)
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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2010, 10:20:30 pm »
 Please Let me know from the 100s of pre 2010 bike could have rode a Canberra..

 (Please Note that all Members CAN RIDE A Pre 90 / pre 95 / pre 2020  Bike on the Practice Day ..this a sume think that is all way
  left out . Why ??)

 and from the Numbers I noted.  Pre 2010 did Better than Pre 95  .so From the 100s of Members Busting to Ride there

 pre 90 bike pre 2010 out number them 10 to 1  and I dont think I saw the pre 90 bike out on the track..???

 ##  And The ACT Canberra Track all way pull less Pre 75 / pre65 Bike   . Lets look at  the numbers of Pre 75 Bike a the CRC

    and Canowindra..  and Can you go back the larst years EVO Challenge can give me the LOW numbers of Pre 85 Bike .

  So Lets Just Piss OFF Vintage Motor Cross it would save a Lot of work ..
 
  Because I am ONE VMXer how is going to do that..
 






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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2010, 10:26:24 pm »
.... I dont think I saw the pre 90 bike out on the track..???

There were three pre-90s there. At least two of them hit the track.

More people own moderns than pre-90s - it makes sense that we'd see more moderns at a practice day.
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« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2010, 10:27:37 pm »
Don’t worry Nathan, they also chopped the heads from those that first said the world was round.
It seems okay to discuss stinkin politics and football on this forum so I don’t see the big deal in discussing this issue.

I’ve been going to start a similar thread as I’ve seen it mentioned a few times that people think that one day pre 95 may come in, just haven’t had the time to write something up properly.
Lets see who’s first to take me out of context.

The classes we have are technology based despite being labeled by years.
Pre 75 is aimed at bikes that have 7” & 4” travel as well as being pre75.
Pre 78 is aimed at the first long travel bikes, which were determined to be anything lees than 9”. Right or wrong this was the line in the sand.
Evo, well we’ve been over this a million times.
Pre 85 was the fist batch of linkage suspension
And Pre 90 (yes there is life outside of NSW, this class has been around many years in Vic.) is the first era of “moderns”

Most of the bikes in these classes can be determined easily from one class to the next by the advancement of their technology.
But once we get into the nineties its hard to follow their evolution.
Just choosing a date in the middle of a decade is a neat way to do it, but pre 80 didn’t work and the line was moved back to pre 78 in order to group similar bikes together.

So if there is ever to be a class to follow on after pre 90, where would you draw the line?
What technology defines 90 & 00 models from each other. Having never owned a 90’s model I’m not real familiar with them.

# Perimeter frames came in, Kawasaki started it and most (all?) alloy frames are of the perimeter design. While it made some engineering sense it hardly set the world on fire, and to this day some brands haven’t adopted it (Husky & KTM for starters.

# Alloy frames are another advancement. Except there more about production simplicity than any real advantage. Remember when McGrath refused to use them for a few years. And again not all manufactures have gone this way.

# Countershaft sprocket in line with the swingarm.  A BMW thing only

# Backwards motor. Connondale & Yamaha. Just another way to do things.

# Forward motor. Husaberg only so far. Supposed to be better handling but it won’t turn a dork into a champion.

# Four stroke. This is the only real change that I can see, A capacity advantage saw them creep in so we can save the planet from fumes (yeah right)
Love them or hate them I see them as the only real change.

Pre 95 you say? But how many flow on models would fit into that class?
It would be a true scrutineers nightmare.

I reckon if ever there was a class to come after Pre90 it would be 2 stroke based.
The only dilemma then will be 91 models would be considered junk and most would chase after the later models.
I think you would find that there are many that remember the 2 stroke days with fondness the same way many here remember the first YZ’s or RM’s etc.



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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2010, 10:28:35 pm »
Please Let me know from the 100s of pre 2010 bike could have rode a Canberra..

 (Please Note that all Members CAN RIDE A Pre 90 / pre 95 / pre 2020  Bike on the Practice Day ..this a sume think that is all way
  left out . Why ??)

 and from the Numbers I noted.  Pre 2010 did Better than Pre 95  .so From the 100s of Members Busting to Ride there

 pre 90 bike pre 2010 out number them 10 to 1  and I dont think I saw the pre 90 bike out on the track..???

 ##  And The ACT Canberra Track all way pull less Pre 75 / pre65 Bike   . Lets look at  the numbers of Pre 75 Bike a the CRC

    and Canowindra..  and Can you go back the larst years EVO Challenge can give me the LOW numbers of Pre 85 Bike .

  So Lets Just Piss OFF Vintage Motor Cross it would save a Lot of work ..
 
  Because I am ONE VMXer how is going to do that..
 







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« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2010, 10:35:13 pm »
Where's me 2000 model Husaberg 501 fit into this Geoff?....love that bike!
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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2010, 10:37:16 pm »
Where's me 2000 model Husaberg 501 fit into this Geoff?....love that bike!

I Have my beloved 1989 Husaberg 501 and I know exactly where that fits....... ;)