$3500 top end overhaul

[NR555]

As much as we all hate the modern four strokes (4T. There you go) I'm seriously thinking of parking one of the new-age YZ 450F's next to my 465. What a great set of book-ends for everything else that came in-between.....

Brave man.. I tested one and the thing was a missile.  I was very happy with my 250F purchase after that!

[Nathan S]

FWIW:
A workmate has an 01 KTM380EXC. He bought it a few years back (2005?), and it came with a bunch of receipts from the previous owner - including one bundle for a full engine rebuild (admittedly including a heap of gearbox parts). As it so happens, that bundle totalled just over $3500...

He's just put a new top end on it - cost him ~$1000, by buying bits from the USA.

[firko]

I sold my 01 400EXC that had never had the head off in 6 years before I had to spend the dollars. The new owner did the same as Nathans mate and it cost him around $1400. Knowing that, I wish I would have kept it.

[VMX247]

Son knows his bike well and could tell something just wasn't right.
crf250  one stretched valve= new bits, piston and rings all for $650    beat the $3500 bill 
cheers

[huskibul]

  The thing that really peave's me is that motocross in the 60-90's covered all walks of life rich and poor and now it's being pushed into the realm of rich only,if their is any justice it'll come around and bite em(manufacturer's,ama)on the bum,thank god the euro's seemed to smell a rat,or seen a rebellion on the horizon and stuck with the two bangers -keep it real  (and i love ol'skool thumpers as well)

[tony27]

What bites the manufacturers etc is tracks getting closed due to excessive noise, unfortunately the noise created by thumpers travels a lot further. I remember reading a article in mag from the states a few years ago about practise tracks banning certain blue/white bikes in order to stay open.
No tracks means no sales

[VMX247]

  The thing that really peave's me is that motocross covered all walks of life rich and poor and now it's being pushed into the realm of rich only,if their is any justice it'll come around and bite em(manufacturer's,ama)on the bum,thank god the euro's seemed to smell a rat,or seen a rebellion on the horizon and stuck with the two bangers -keep it real  (and i love ol'skool thumpers as well)

I understand what you are saying and this does happen in some cases, but the $650 would only get you a small amount of pot now days,I used to get the same amount for $20,20 odd years back.My point being best the kids are doing bikes than drugs and alcohol. 

What bites the manufacturers etc is tracks getting closed due to excessive noise, unfortunately the noise created by thumpers travels a lot further. I remember reading a article in mag from the states a few years ago about practise tracks banning certain blue/white bikes in order to stay open.
No tracks means no sales

Thats the reality of growth of the country,I believe its three tracks closing this year in Qld alone. Unite are Doohan,Bayliss and Crump to save track.
cheers

[huskibul]

I understand what you are saying and this does happen in some cases, but the $650 would only get you a small amount of pot now days,I used to get the same amount for $20,20 odd years back.My point being best the kids are doing bikes than drugs and alcohol. 

Okkk  are we on the same page, the $650 you seem to be one of the lucky one's . sorry but i can't see how that relate's to the jap manufacturers and the ama and if they make it an elitist sport,through making it too expensive for average kids/parents to afford to run the burp fart bog pop clank clank scrap rocketships

[VMX247]

I understand what you are saying and this does happen in some cases, but the $650 would only get you a small amount of pot now days,I used to get the same amount for $20,20 odd years back.My point being best the kids are doing bikes than drugs and alcohol. 

Okkk  are we on the same page, the $650 sorry but i can't see how that relate's to the jap manufacturers and the ama and if they make it an elitist sport,through making it too expensive for average kids/parents to afford to run the burp fart bog pop clank clank rocketships

probably not,but I didn't realize we were talking of elite sport--just club level maintenance and saving a few $3500 on a rebuild. 
cheers
modify -spell check 

http://twostrokemotocross.com/2010/02/shocking-four-stroke-costs/
really interesting reading this website...need part two from SpunkyHunky

[huskibul]

 the hard part isn't club level it's getting to the next level imagine how many kids fell through those cracks because of finance,getting back to the suject i believe if they kept going with(back in early 2000's) 2t development and a level playing field (capacity wise)2t would be head and shoulders above what their running today,no worries,just my opinion i'am sure many others agree ,and anybody can work on them, win win

[VMX247]

part 2 & 3 on cost of four strokes.

http://articles.superhunkyforum.com/4/92

Stay tuned to our site, in that we plan to keep on this track. Coming up:  2 stroke rebuild costs.
http://articles.superhunkyforum.com/4/102

[VMX247]

Apologies HuskiHoons ,too many red sherbets in the last posts.
With the below prices, it also looks like an elite sport    ,pity some pay packets haven't gone up to match the sports we attend.
cheers

Senior National * 12 month licence     $265.00 + $11.00 rider levy
Senior Club * 12 month licence    $230.00 + $11.00 rider levy
Senior National * One Event licence    $77.00 + $11.00 rider levy
Junior National 12 month licence    $240.00 + $11.00 rider levy
Junior Club 12 month licence    $215.00 + $11.00 rider levy
Junior/Senior Restricted 12 month licence    $175.00 + $11.00 rider levy
One Event Licence    $44.00 + $11.00 rider levy
Recreation Licence  12 month licence    $85.50 + $11.00 rider levy

[floberts]

part 2 & 3 on cost of four strokes.

http://articles.superhunkyforum.com/4/92

Stay tuned to our site, in that we plan to keep on this track. Coming up:  2 stroke rebuild costs.
http://articles.superhunkyforum.com/4/102

My favourite part:

Turning and roosting in the widening gyre
The rider cannot hear the camshaft chain;
Things fall apart; the crankshaft cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The oil-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of inexpensive repair is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst mechanics
are full of passionate intensity, and drunk.

When expressed like this Yeats makes perfect sense to me.

[huskibul]

  Yeah no worries 247,i like to have a soothing tonic from time to time also ,;D as you'd know the license is the easy part, it all adds up at the end of the year and big maintenace bill's would just topple some people out of the sport,I'am lucky my young bloke learnt to ride on natural terrain,so when he started riding (modern)clubdays on the local track he didn't like the supercross layout(etc) and the $100 day out ,only getting 12-15 laps seat time .He's since swung to vintage/evo(good stuff) and we can get a couple of mate's and cut lap's on our home track's till were all buggered, Like i said iam lucky most people don't have any choice but to travel and so  let's hope the big wig's don't price them out of it altogether with formula 1 dirtbikes, that the average punter cant touch

[Lozza]

As much as they were shit canned at the time history will be much more kind to the Cannondale MX for being 10 years ahead of it's time. As this is  bike is basicaly a clone of that bike albeit refined with the usual Japanese attention to detail. As all the avante gard aspects of the Cannondale are present here, EFI, electric leg, aluminium twin spar frame, cylinder reversed fuel tank mass centralised etc etc.