did we ever come to a conclusion about the alloy swingarm for the pre'78 RM125's

[firko]

Just a final note, during my researching I've also found factual evidence the RM250C was released, raced (Lucas Reynolds) during November 1977 and there was a full test in Trail and Track in December 1977. Does this make an RM250C pre'78 eligable? It should considering the cut-off date for pre'78 is December 1977.

The decider on all of this availability stuff is the 'designated model year' It's not so much when the bike was available but what year model the factory designated the bike as.

A notorious example is the M7/Mk8 Bultaco. I've seen written evidence and even a sales slip stating that the Mk8 was available as early as August 1974 but the factory designated the model as the official 1975 model so the Mk 8 doesn't make the cut. Every racing organisation in the free world accepts that fact so it's not just something we did to piss certain Bully owners off. You've got to have a line somewhere.

I'm not so up on Suzukis but suspect that the poor old TM250C Doc refers to is in the same boat as the Mk8 Bultaco, a victim of its factory designation, not so much its release date. If the optional B model swingarm is identical to the C model other than the boss for the floating brake, perhaps it should be allowed as long as it was modified by removing the floating brake boss.

In the end though, is an alloy swingarm going to make your lap times any better?

[mx250]

Run what ya brung - lose one place in the trophy hunt for every 'illegal' non period modification .

[Davey Crocket]

This is starting to border on ridiculous fella's, Mainline, do YOU think that that RM125 Fox replica is pre 78 legal?, that bike has more suspension travel than most EVO bikes!!! and as for the swingarm, well I'm pretty shaw that it never existed back in the day?. Why is it that some people want to change the rules?, we have a set of rules already. Doc, if you want to build a bike that you know doesn't fit the rules for the class YOU want to ride it in, why not ride it in EVO, whats the big deal? If you just want to build a TRICK bike that you've always wanted go for it but why stir it up when you know you can ring Dave Tanner and find out the DO'S and the DONT'S? The big question is " are you going to bring it down and ride it"....... probably not, so why stir it up?

[motomaniac]

This is starting to border on ridiculous fella's, Mainline, do YOU think that that RM125 Fox replica is pre 78 legal?, that bike has more suspension travel than most EVO bikes!!! and as for the swingarm, well I'm pretty shaw that it never existed back in the day?. Why is it that some people want to change the rules?, we have a set of rules already. Doc, if you want to build a bike that you know doesn't fit the rules for the class YOU want to ride it in, why not ride it in EVO, whats the big deal? If you just want to build a TRICK bike that you've always wanted go for it but why stir it up when you know you can ring Dave Tanner and find out the DO'S and the DONT'S? The big question is " are you going to bring it down and ride it"....... probably not, so why stir it up?

Mainlines RM125 looks like a great TEAM MOTOXFOX bike replica to me. The swingarm ,forks ,shocks,head  all look like period correct restored originals .

[mx250]

Why is it that some people want to change the rules?,

because the rules blatantly suck, discriminate, are a limitation to the sport and because we can .

[motomaniac]

Why is it that some people want to change the rules?,

because the rules blatantly suck, discriminate, are a limitation to the sport and because we can .

What would you change if it was upto you?

[DR]

no good going off half cocked Davey. If you read the post 'properly' you will see I did not ask for the rules to be changed. All I ask is for some definative clarification on a certain part that was available in the day. I could ride ride evo yes but then the bike will look more out of place than ever and isn't VMX supposed to be all about showcasing MX history as it was?

The big question is " are you going to bring it down and ride it"....... probably not, so why stir it up

the big answer is of course no, I will not be riding it until I get an official answer I've plenty of others to choose from and I accept the rules as my '71 TS125MX will run Evo all because of it's swingarm being from a 1979 TS100..big advantage there too but for mine again it looks period, I built it how I wanted it and that to me is what it's all about.

[firko]

because the rules blatantly suck, discriminate, are a limitation to the sport and because we can  .

You've got to be kidding Graeme. I gave you more credit than to make a statement like that.   How in f**k do the rules limit the sport? Who do they discriminate against? What's your alternative....surely you've got one mate.

For the life of me I can't see why the rules are so difficult to follow for some people yet simple and easy to follow to most. If people spent less time looking for loopholes and conspiracies and more time building to suit the rules we've already got in place our sport would be in a much stronger position than it's in today.

[DR]

please let's not turn this into an ugly debarcle. I am not stirring shit, critisizing the rules or the sport or the governing body or any individual on the face of the planet, it's just a simple question that should have a simple answer! If there are other issues in other areas of VMX that's cannon fodder for another topic.

Sorry I mentioned the RM250C also kinda..it has absolutley nothing to do with this particular topic and rightly so the C models are Evo, BUT, 'if' the parts book show an alloy arm as an option for these models also then the door is wide open here for contention as well as I've pictures of Gunter, Worrell and a few others top names using the alloy arms in 1977 on both 250's and 370's

just out of curiosity, what ever happened to all the TripleC alloy arms for these early models, I've not seen one since back in the day yet never do you see them on eBay or advertised for sale

bottom line, is the swingarm legal for pre'78? if not it'll go evo it really doesn't bother me excepting for the fact the bike will look out of it's era

[motomaniac]

just out of curiosity, what ever happened to all the TripleC alloy arms for these early models, I've not seen one since back in the day yet never do you see them on eBay

I might be wrong but I thought that those Triple C arms were FMF arms imported by Triple C.
At least Triple C was the FMF import back in the day.

[motomaniac]

Sorry I mentioned the RM250C also kinda..it has absolutley nothing to do with this particular topic and rightly so the C models are Evo, BUT, 'if' the parts book show an alloy arm as an option for these models also then the door is wide open here for contention as well as I've pictures of Gunter, Worrell and a few others top names using the alloy arms in 1977 on both 250's and 370's

Aftermarket Alloy arms were available from Thor,FMF,Crossup ,PDI, MotoXFox, etc for all the RM models.
Floating rear brake kits (BTW) were also available .

[firko]

If you arrive at scruitineering with a C swing arm, regardless of where the brake arm is attached I will be sending you away. If you arrive at Scruitineering with proof that your alloy arm is the unit that was available as an option in 77 then I will be happy with that. After all the stuff that went on at after the Nationals I can assure you that as soon as I see an RM the arm is the first thing Im looking at

I thought Dave answered your question pretty positively a day or two back Doc. The sooner many of ous learn to accept that some things just don't fit into our plans for the perfect race bike we'll all be happier.  

[TM BILL]

Doc only the Scrutineer on the day will tell you that  
Me personally if in doubt i will air on the side of caution and wont try to run it.
Then again personally i would BAN all those FAT BARS , EMULATORS , EXTERNALLY ADJUSTABLE SHOCKS, LOW BOY PIPES , WIDE FOOTPEGS, REVERSE FOLDING LEVERS,  MODERN RIDING GEAR, (helmets and neck braces exempt , but must be a plain colour)
PRE 85, PRE 90, DOGS, FAT CHICKS, WOGS, ELEPHANT DRIVERS, RAG HEADS, GREENIES (probably dont get many of them anyway ), PEOPLE UNDER 40, GERMANS, WOMAN DRIVERS, ROTARYS, TELEMARKETERS, SPEED LIMITS, MODERN MX 4 STROKES and anyone else who disagrees with my philophosys.

As far as scrutineering goes its my belief were forked, I bought a Shoei helmet in Australia to wear at Australian events only to be told at a major event this year that in didn't comply due to standards markings. Fair enough exept  the same bloke passed the forking thing 2 months earlier, it still had the forking sticker on it he put on it 2 months earlier.
When a rule book was produced to show it complied all was well again, so i guess the system works  

Perhaps as competitors we need a rule book listing every bike , part , and possible combination of both that are elidgible for every era.

Good luck printing that bastard  

[TM BILL]

Not quite  Walter  solly i forgot Asian drivers,(however they are remarkably good for business  Spics, Micks, Dagos, Poms, Sweatys, Taffs, Social democrats 

[Davey Crocket]

 My wife thinks we are worst than women.!!  sorry Alison and Jackie Mac(I know you think we are worst than women). However she gives us ten out of ten for entertainment!! Bill's the best(How's the KX coming along?)