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Marque Remarks => Yamaha => Topic started by: Marc.com on September 12, 2009, 11:55:04 am

Title: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 12, 2009, 11:55:04 am
Bit of solid spanner work has her looking a lot better. If anyone is interested I probably have enough photos to do a photo manual of the assembly.

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMGP0787.jpg)

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMGP0799.jpg)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: mainline on September 12, 2009, 12:42:50 pm
very nice indeed, been chopping wood as well I see.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: vandy010 on September 12, 2009, 12:54:23 pm
agreed! very nice indeed 8)
these things always amaze me as to how many different fr/rear mudguard and sidepanel combinations they seem to sport.
what have you used for the rear guard?
and did you have any frame clearance issues with the front guard?
cool bike 8)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 12, 2009, 12:56:54 pm
no the woodpiles my mates, powered log splitter.

So HL assembly from all clean and ready to go major parts took about 46 hours.... but most of that was spent chasing NOS motorcycle bolts, making spacers etc etc. There is about $400 worth of fasteners in that bike. I have the brake rod to plate and to find some TT5oo rear sprocket 1/2 nuts and NOS lockplates... Oh and a coil.

Nothing was a problem going together with the GMC kit, airbox and pipe, you just have to beaver away at it.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 12, 2009, 01:01:27 pm
what have you used for the rear guard?
and did you have any frame clearance issues with the front guard?

from memory rear guard is CR Husky one and front guard is Tony D Preston Petty one.

I made an adaptor plate to move the front guard it 25mm forward  so it is aluminium plate bolted up to the Fox Forx and then the guard bolts to that, otherwise you have to really hack the front guard off and it looks poxy.

I think the sidecovers are the key to an HL looking good or pretty bad.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: paul on September 12, 2009, 01:18:04 pm
ITS A GMC NOT A HALLMAN  SORRY!!!!!! GET IT RIGHT  :P
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: oldyzman on September 12, 2009, 02:01:19 pm
Very Nice Marc, something to be proud of. R u gunna ride it...
Brett
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: bazza on September 12, 2009, 03:13:07 pm
very nice mark,will you race it
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 12, 2009, 03:45:17 pm
ITS A GMC NOT A HALLMAN  SORRY!!!!!! GET IT RIGHT  :P

Your right its just some crappy welding project from Victoria, but feel free to post some pictures of your own HL so I can see where I went wrong.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: paul on September 12, 2009, 03:51:09 pm
i did .any way dont you like it when the shoes on the other foot (hl beats maico )  ::)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: paul on September 12, 2009, 03:57:49 pm
you have actually done a very nice job mark ;D
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 12, 2009, 04:10:52 pm
Well I am quite pleased with my bike and don't really want to get baited into a pissing match over what I call it.

I got to assemble it on holiday with my best mate looking on and a few Caronas, thats a heap more important.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: paul on September 12, 2009, 04:18:42 pm
good ,then you understand were im comeing from   ;)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: firko on September 12, 2009, 04:31:25 pm
Nice one Marc, where does the Hallman reference come in....have I missed a withdrawn post or something?
 
How long are you home for? You might get a few more done. (I like the TM Suzuki too.) We're about to start a left field TM Suzuki project ourselves.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 12, 2009, 04:52:04 pm
No it was just part of the HL holeshots Maico discussion ;D, speaking of Maicos watched some great footage of Neville Coombe in Europe yesterday.

Back to left field projects, got the swingarm HPC coated on the KSI theme bike.... cost $123 and looks too good to fit. Whats the Suzuki project ???

Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: All Things 414 on September 12, 2009, 05:10:38 pm
Nice one Marc, where does the Hallman reference come in....
I think calling one a HL might be it...... :P
Nice bike all the same for a kit bike.  :)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: paul on September 12, 2009, 05:15:23 pm
as i said i agree it is a nice job looks really like one.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 12, 2009, 05:53:41 pm
Yeah i seem to have a fetish for kit bikes, finishing my Rickman is the next drama.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: paul on September 12, 2009, 06:11:31 pm
nice choice with the rickman  ;D
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 12, 2009, 07:46:37 pm
nice choice with the rickman  ;D

yeah I was pretty lucky, bought original MK3 frame with good Nickel and no dents or war damage. I have all alloy 500 Triumph pre unit motor for it so it should come up nice.

Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 12, 2009, 07:54:47 pm
and matching Bell Moto 4

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMGP0805.jpg)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: frostype400 on September 12, 2009, 10:29:15 pm
looks really good so are you just going to leave it like that or put on that moto4 and ride it thanks Michael. :)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: cultofthumpers on September 13, 2009, 01:06:39 pm
Bit of solid spanner work has her looking a lot better. If anyone is interested I probably have enough photos to do a photo manual of the assembly.

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMGP0787.jpg)

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMGP0799.jpg)
Do you have a photojournal of the engine rebuild?
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: shoey on September 13, 2009, 04:30:38 pm
Nice job Marc , real nice job
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 13, 2009, 06:49:09 pm
thanks for that guys, I am lucky I have a friend that has a bike wreckers and another family member with a Suzuki dealership so managed to get all the right motorcycle bits, so on to the next project which is the KSI bike I guess.

Motor has to come out again as will change the head over to the Daytona one but thats a mornings work. 

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/iwataco-img600x450-1213856187yi80lm.jpg)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: crs-and-rms on September 13, 2009, 06:58:39 pm
 looks great  how dose it sound ,wipes drible from chin  .ones on my buckets list
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: oldyzman on September 13, 2009, 10:17:13 pm
A couple of years ago i went to a supercross at sydney, Steven Gall Mr motocross from back in the day was putted aroung the track between races, i was sure it was a four stroke Yammy bigbore. sounded great I think it may have been one of these HL things. I was told by another old racer from the early 80's that i was mistaken and it must have been a two stroke.
Has Gally got one of theses or access to...
OLDYZMAN
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 13, 2009, 11:05:46 pm
Has Gally got one of theses or access to...
OLDYZMAN

Did it look anything like this one..... this is the bike that got me going in the first place.

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/NewOldSchoolopener03.jpg)

Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: GMC on September 14, 2009, 08:50:58 am
ITS A GMC NOT A HALLMAN  SORRY!!!!!! GET IT RIGHT  :P

Thats right Paul, it's not a Hallman.
The USA built frames were known as Hallman's....

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/gmcloa/Hallman-Yamaha-1.jpg)


The UK models were known as HL's....

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/gmcloa/HLbrochure-1.jpg)

So it's really a HL replica, abbreviated to HL  ;D


Nice job Marc, has it been fired up yet?
40 odd hours to build you say Marc, that's odd, according to my records it was closer to 40 months ::) ;D

The originals went together a bit quicker....

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a393/gmcloa/HLbrochure-2.jpg)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: bigk on September 14, 2009, 09:48:05 am
Still a big fat & ugly farm bike IMO, if it were a woman you wouldn't look twice! Unless you like big, fat & ugly of course! Just my thoughts though.
Cheers,
K
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: firko on September 14, 2009, 09:55:36 am
Quote
Steven Gall Mr motocross from back in the day was putted aroung the track between races, i was sure it was a four stroke Yammy bigbore. sounded great I think it may have been one of these HL
The bike was probably Gary Benns Curtis built bike that I covered for ADB magazine a couple of years ago. It's a ridgy didge period works bike Gary bought from the factory when he headed the Toshiba Yamaha team in the UK during the 80s.
Gally also raced a very trick and fast TT500 Yamaha on dirt track during the late 70s and later an equally trick and fast TT600. I believe both bikes still exist......somewhere.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: firko on September 14, 2009, 10:05:18 am
Quote
Nice one Marc, where does the Hallman reference come in....
I think calling one a HL might be it......
Nice bike all the same for a kit bike. 
I'm still a little mystified by Pauls seemingly hostile attitude towards Marcs bike. I'm presuming Marcs bike is a GMC kit which most of the bikes in this country are. If we really got down to the nitty gritty all GMC kit bikes should be called replica HLs but we don't, generally accepting them as the real thing. Why arc up against Marcs lovely example when no angst has been shown towards previously posted GMC HLs? I must be missing something! ???

Below are my Brit friend Bens two HLs, one a genuine period bike, the other a GMC kit bike. I've forgotten which is which and Ben himself has said a number of times that he sometimes gets confused as to which one is which.
                       (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/bens%20HLs.jpg)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: paul on September 14, 2009, 10:14:01 am
im not hostile .he does the same light hearted thing to me in maico treads ,and i praised him on the job hes done on the gmc hl replica ,next he could put a corvette fiberglass body on a volks wagon chassie for fun too lol
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: firko on September 14, 2009, 10:16:08 am
That's cool Paul...Me missing yet another in joke eh? ;D
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 14, 2009, 12:39:18 pm
im not hostile .he does the same light hearted thing to me in maico treads ,and i praised him on the job hes done on the gmc hl replica ,next he could put a corvette fiberglass body on a volks wagon chassie for fun too lol

Yeah don't worry Firko, I did it to myself by trying to convince Paul he should sell the Maico to me for cheap and do up a daggy TT500.  ;)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: paul on September 14, 2009, 12:57:46 pm
been checking a few kits out mark heres a couple :D
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CONDOR-x-2-VW-kit-cars_W0QQitemZ120467788832QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Cars?hash=item1c0c709420&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Kit-car-moulds-project-to-suit-VW-chassis_W0QQitemZ330254890693QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item4ce4b9b6c5&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 14, 2009, 02:25:33 pm
fibre glass is for pussies, once saw a Lambo done tastefully in particle board.

My Hl replica shares a garage with very nice Ford 427 Cobra, 600hp alloy Y block engine the full nine yards....pity it is not mine.

Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: crash n bern on September 21, 2009, 06:34:52 pm
I've been wondering about the HL's. What class are they eligible for in VMX?
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: JohnnyO on September 21, 2009, 07:25:03 pm
I've been wondering about the HL's. What class are they eligible for in VMX?
I would think just Evo and a 4 stroke class if your club has one. Too much travel for pre '78 even though i think Bengt Aberg raced one in '77.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: firko on September 21, 2009, 09:35:56 pm
If an HL is built correct to period you could easily race it in pre 78. Here's Bengt Aberg and the original bike and crew.
                          (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/bengt%20aberg%20replica%201.jpg)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: XR on September 21, 2009, 09:45:40 pm
I've been wondering about the HL's. What class are they eligible for in VMX?


The tractor pull!!!  :)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: JohnnyO on September 21, 2009, 09:46:20 pm
That bike looks 'right' Firko. The jacked up replicas getting around look wrong and probably don't handle as good as they could. They would make a great pre '78 bike with period suspension set-up.



Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Mick D on September 21, 2009, 09:54:55 pm
Not too shabby actually
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/IMGP0787.jpg?t=1253533887)
If she were mine, I would be wantin to give her a good riddin at least once a day.
She is as pretty as any pinup I have ever seen ::)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: firko on September 21, 2009, 09:58:55 pm
              (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/aberghl2.jpg)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: GMC on September 21, 2009, 10:20:24 pm
I was originaly chasing 79 wheels & forks my my own HL to ride in Pre 80.
It's taken me so long to get around to keeping a frame for myself that Pre 80 no longer exists so I thought I may as well have the "H" forks with the twin leader if I have to ride it in Evo.
But now I'm leaning towards D model stuff to make it Pre 78 compatible.
I beleive this is where they would be better off as the technology / design is more in line with Pre 78.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on September 22, 2009, 07:24:11 am
I was originaly chasing 79 wheels & forks my my own HL to ride in Pre 80.
It's taken me so long to get around to keeping a frame for myself that Pre 80 no longer exists so I thought I may as well have the "H" forks with the twin leader if I have to ride it in Evo.
But now I'm leaning towards D model stuff to make it Pre 78 compatible.
I beleive this is where they would be better off as the technology / design is more in line with Pre 78.

Just swap the front end and you can run the HL in almost anything. Mines staying as it is, suspension wise though I do have a plan for a shit kicker horsepower motor. Next step is Daytona head and possibly run methanol.
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: HL500 on October 11, 2009, 04:03:22 pm
Guys, for my two cents worth I think the GMC HL500 is a bloody sexy looking machine.  So much so that I am building one.  Given I'm unlikely to ever afford or find the real think.  The beauty now is that we can build to our own personal taste.

John
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on October 11, 2009, 06:58:36 pm
Geoff does nicer swingarm and footpegs than the original  ;D
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: HL500 on October 12, 2009, 09:42:11 am
Can you explain the Daytona head please.  what is it??

John
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on October 12, 2009, 11:21:16 am
Daytona was big player in Japanese singles racing and did a lot of cool parts
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/iwataco-img600x450-1213856187yi80lm.jpg)

or round barel

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/i_love_music_haku-img600x450-123860.jpg)
Title: Re: finished HL, well almost
Post by: Marc.com on October 12, 2009, 11:31:31 am
start with GMC kit it is much easier than chopping up Huskies.

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMGP0802.jpg)