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Marketplace => Wanted => Topic started by: albrid-3 on May 09, 2009, 01:01:45 pm
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Wanted to buy a Honda xl engine dead or alive
[email protected] or 03 52 515197
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good luck dave ,no one seems to want to part with them ;)
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Hi Paul. Just bought a maico frame, just need a honda engine.
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that was quick
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Hi Paul, l don`t muck around, l have heard today that Stewy munz, has to maico frames for sale.
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thats interesting news
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have motor - need frame ;) ;D
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Have desided to build the Hybrid bike that l have alway`s wanted to build, l really like the Maico / Honda in VMX #4, great looking bike.
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yep hybrids are like swine flue, very catchy. In search of the better mouse trap.
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Have desided to build the Hybrid bike that l have alway`s wanted to build, l really like the Maico / Honda in VMX #4, great looking bike.
yep not bad at all...
beers is better than soy milk ;) ;D
cheers S&A
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vmx 247, are you build the same, has anyone got any photo of pre 75 hybrids
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Also sure at a National meeting at Ravenswood, a Maico with a DT250 and it looked great too, also Maico / Cam-am, that was another idea, but Camam are hard to fine.
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vmx 247, are you build the same, has anyone got any photo of pre 75 hybrids
yes,but need the rolling frame ;D
8 frames on ebay all in states. :(
don't believe there is a Honda/Maico in the VMXWA club either. 8)
cheers S&A
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maico stu should have lots of bikes for sale know he is factory rider for team baker look at the vcm photos. Drew
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As cool as an XL250 powered Maico is, it's not as easy a swap as it looks. The owner of that XL250 powered Maico sometimes pops up on this forum (he actually posted today) so he may be able to walk us through the conversion. Personally I shudder at the thought of chopping up a perfectly good Maico frame for a hot rod. I gave two frames to Les Richters that had been badly "Hondafied" (not by me) so it may be worth dropping him a line. A much simpler and in my opinion better frame swap is to use a Husky frame. Compared to the maico, the engine swap's almost a drop in, engine mounts being the only major mod. As a bonus, because of the extra weight of the Honda engine over that of the Husky, the turning ability of the bike improves noticibly. All of the Husky Honda owners I've spoken to over the years have commented that the Husky handles better with the Honda engine. Go figure that one?
I've built an XL350 Honda a powered Montesa King Scorpion cocked up to look like a VB Cappra and later used the same engine in a CZ after figuring that the Monty conversion weighed more than a stock Honda XL! Mick Bakewell in Armidale still has the old Monty and 'NSW' Ray Atkins (as opposed to 'Victoria' Ray Atkins) has the CZ.
Peter Rowlands owns the Yamaha MX250 powered Maico Dave mentioned. It's a really good bike and although Pete spends a lot of time in the USA these days, he still brings her out for the occasional skid when he's home.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/mikeymaico1.jpg)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/mikeysmaico.jpg)
Mike Jolleys XL250 'Maicosport' as it was first built (red) and as it is today(yellow). He's raced the bike for nearly 20 years.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/petes%20Yamaico.jpeg)
A crap scan of a crap photo of a very cool bike. Peter Rowlands MX250 powered Maico. The bikes in DT trim these days but is an equally good MXer. It's also beenaround since the early days of VMX.
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brad was talking about doing the same thing awhile ago
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great Photo`s Mark, l am happy that you had that photo of the maico/yam, really nice to see you back mark cheers.
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wow cool hybrids, I have spare B44 engine, now if I can just find a good Husky frame. ;D
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(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/CIMG0026.jpg)
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quote Personally I shudder at the thought of chopping up a perfectly good Maico frame for a hot rod.
That is the reason why our project came to a stand still--not good juju cutting up Maico frame :D ;)
Cheers S&A WA
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Ebay item 220410312772 Just what you want, If you bid and win anything of this seller the items can be delivered here cheap to me and stored for pick up. Cheers Tim D.
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As you've probably guessed, I love these hybrid, or as I like to call them hot rod bikes. They're a hoot to build as you don't have to conform to the standards set down for a concourse resto. You can go for it to your hearts content so long as that if you're going to race your frankenbike, the components are legit for the era. I'm currently gearing up to seriously get stuck into my Maico 326 powered Rickman Zundapp. (below) and I'm getting the bits together to build an oval barrel Maico 360 powered Sprite (American Eagle/Alron/BVM) pre 65 racer sometime next year.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/maico%20metisse%20011.jpg)
Here are a few more interesting pre '75 hot rod racers.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/2008%20CD5a%200581.jpg)
Brad and Daryl Lewis's Penda, a 125 KTM(Penton) fitted with a CR125M motor. FMF started in business doing this conversion back in 1973. Photo taken at CD5.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/AJS_Yamaha_1.jpg)
An unuaual AT1 125 Yamaha powered AJS Stormer. I'd rather see a 250 Yamaha engine in there. As you can clearly see there's plenty of room in there!
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/phippsy.JPG)
Edgar Phipps legendary 490cc Powroll stroker XL powered Elsinore. Probably the most lethal VMX bike I've ever ridden. This thing handles like a rodeo bucking bronco with the big engine but is a sweetie with its alternate 305 engine. The big engine over torques the chassis but is a cool unit just the same.
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Hi guy`s, this is the best thread, this is amazing, you don`t realize what people do when the shed doors are closed, check that barrel out on the maico. VMX need to do the hole magazine on Hybrids within Australia. Hybrids have been around for 80 years, they are the best by far.
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I have an MJ Husky frame spare if anyone can use it. Just don't tell me what you do with it! Blasphemy!
Cheers,
K
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So Firko, is the Alron OK for pre 65?
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12 months ago I would have shuddered and got real peed at people who would do this to a pre75 bike........but alas I have changed my opinion(only slightly) after watching little bits of this and that changed between TS and TM's on the Suzuki forum.
So it looks like I have been brain washed to the darker side of VMX.....well really who couldn't with the above bike photos :o ;D
cheers
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So Firko, is the Alron OK for pre 65?
Good question Birko. In a nutshell, the complete Alron isn't legal as the 360/405 Sprite and OSSA Phantom engines used didn't come out until the late sixties and 1974 respectively. However my intended project combines the same frame which came out in 1964 using a Villiers engine ( VMX issue #36, pages 32/33) and an oval barrel Maico engine which also came out in 1964. Alan Jones has sold me one of his American Eagle 250 frames and I'll use my spare Maico 400 squarie engine fitted with an oval cylinder, Ceriani forks and full width Maico hubs/Akront rims. I reckon it'll make an extremely competitive pre 65 bike. These American Eagle/Sprites are the best kept secret in the sport. They're as light as Mary Kate Olsen, made from Reynolds 531, come with quality REH forks/conical hubs and quality fibreglass and alloy bodywork. The frame is well constructed and has almost enough room to fit a small block Chevy. Jonesy's building a 405 American Eagle and an Alron as we speak. Actually I had originally intended to build a proddy Maico Sprite as the factory briefly made such a model in 1967 but a few beers with the boys on Jonesys sun deck had me convinced that owning four open class pre '70 class bikes was a bit of overkill. Pre 65 seemed a better option. The only problem right now is finding an oval cylinder. I've had two ads on the Swapmeet site but no response.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/aeagle.jpg)
American Eagle/Sprite/Alron/BVM roller in the process of resto in Jonesys shed
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/hus%20metisse%206.jpg)
Another cool swap, A Husky powered M11 Bultaco Metisse. I fitted a 500 Triumph to one of these frames. Plenty of room.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/duc%20metisse.jpg)
Here's another M11 Bully Metisse, this one with a narrow case 250 Ducati engine, Note Norton rubber front engine mounts. A bit of thought's gone into this one.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/maicohodie.jpg)
Here's a dare to be different one...Hodaka 250 Thunderdog powered AW Maico. I'm not over rapt in the horrible Kato front guard and hate the chrome bling pipe. Otherwise...cool
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Here's another M11 Bully Metisse, this one with a narrow case 250 Ducati engine, Note Norton rubber front engine mounts. A bit of thought's gone into this one.(quote)
yeah pity Ducati never put any thought into it ;D ;D most over rated motor in history
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RM370 set up to take TT500 engine. This bike was pro built I am told and set for road racing some years ago. A strong runner and well balanced bike they tell me. I must do something with it some day before it decays
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yeah pity Ducati never put any thought into it most over rated motor in history
Marc.....It's almost as if you've torn my heart out with a pair of BBQ tongs! :'( I love my Narrow case Ducati MXer! I must admit that they're a bit underpowered but remember we're talking 1963 here, what other 4 stroke 250 was any faster or more reliable? The BSA 250 a pathetic slug compared to the Duke and I can't think of any other motocross friendly 250 4 strokers from that era that could match the Ducati.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/camden10.jpg)
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remind me to just ease it out with the Barbi mate next time ;D
the bike pictured is a minter and could almost make me like them, but the mystique that especially the 450s are held in always makes me scratch my head. Output is nothing special and the ankle biting kick start ratio and levels of vibration that would register Richter scale means I would stick to the bigger BSA/
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Your Ducati is a gem of a bike, l will take my hat off to honor your restoration Hybrid, love it. l have to say it, this is what vintage motorcross is all about, to have the forsyth into building your own creation, and to make it work, works bike alone are an insight into one mans dream , a manufacture creation so all of us can enjoy.
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Thanks for the nice words about my Hindall Ducati Dave, it is indeed a pretty little thing if I do say so myself. However, as you see it in the photos was its last time in public in that guise. I've decided that as it wouldn't be a very competitive pre 65 racer and with the Maico/ Sprite pre 65 project becoming a reality, I'd get more fun use by converting the little Ducati into a street tracker/cafe racer. I've already got a cool Grimeca 2ls front hub laced up and I used the Rickman wheels off it on my Cheney Yamaha and the tank on another project. It's a shame but Marc is right, the bike would never have been competitive on the track.........
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Mark, that is a shame, but the Sprite will be better, the early Maico motor will be a good choice in the Sprite frame, Have you seen my Husqvarna on ebay.
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It's a shame but Marc is right, the bike would never have been competitive on the track.........
ahh but its a pretty thing thats for sure.
Anyway Mark you mentioned your old XL down the back of the woolshed....good starting point
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/MARCBIKE001.jpg)
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Marc, do live in Australia or Toko
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Re original thread - local guy is selling a xl 250 and 350 they looked pre 76, can track him down if your interested, he was asking $400 a piece and he was riding them so they are going etc
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I love engine swap bikes. It gives us a chance to express the inner individuality in us. I know a bloke building an XL 350 powered Rickman Montesa and it'll be the bike Rickman should have made, sort of like a grown up version of Jonesy SL125 Rickman. I agree that unless you know what you're doing, the XL powered Maico isnt as easy as it looks. Getting the engine easily in and out is the first obstacle to overcome then carby clearance and a bunch more. I watched a bloke bastardise a perfect 74 250 frame trying to do the swap. The result was awful and it never turned a wheel. I think its one of the frames Firko gave Les Rickters.
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Yeah a little thought before chopping up the frame is advisable, ;D doing engine swaps adds a whole different set of headaches to just doing a routine overhaul of a bike. If you want to do a good job, then exhaust, decent airbox, carb location all have to be taken into account, welding on engine mounts is the easy bit.
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David SL250 engine on Ebay I informed of is a 1975/6 center port waste of time. sorry. Tim
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Anyway Mark you mentioned your old XL down the back of the woolshed....good starting point
I had a look at the basket case XL-S behind my mates shed and after having to drag it out of the jasmine vines found it to be pretty much rusted solid. The bike's been in the weather for 20 years and it shows. It will be used for something or other but its way down the food chain right now. Number five in fact, so it won't see any spanner action (from me anyway) for a couple of years at least. The KSI tribute bike (it ain't a replica, I'm sure you'll agree) is a cool project though Marc. Pity you're in Japan, I like your left field taste in vintage racers, we need to get together to map out further hot rod Frankenbikes. ;D
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The KSI tribute bike (it ain't a replica, I'm sure you'll agree) is a cool project though Marc. Pity you're in Japan, I like your left field taste in vintage racers, we need to get together to map out further hot rod Frankenbikes. ;D
Mark you gotta get with the modern nomenclature....its a KSI 'Theme Bike' ...... I plan to build them for Aussie companies and make a million bucks. The first one we are doing is the 'RAM XL250' for the Australian Wool Board, will feature sack cloth seat, horns and a big pair of nuts hanging off the rear guard. The Board are sending over a sack of dags and two drunken shearers so we can figure out how to incorporate them into our design. ;D
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Marc you riding or guzzling the kawa SAKI?????? :D
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Have 1 bottom end and one full motor (72) in peices if your interested.
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Just bought the xl 350 engine, maico frame back out, looking for another, or a Elsinore 250 Frame. thanks for all the offers on other 250 engines , l will see how this go`s first. The Frame is the hard part. How much trouble did edgar phipps have fitting his 350 engine honda xl into the elsinore frame.
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Marc. The Ducati engine is in a Bultaco mark 11 frame, what is the tank off.
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Dave..I assume you're referring to my post of the green M11.Ducati? The tank looks like a stock M11 Metisse job to me.
Mark with a k, not to be confused with Marc with a c. ;)
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No marc, The bike with the red tank, and ducati engine.
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Dave...now I'm really confused. Do you mean my (Firkos) Ducati racer? If so, it's not an M11 frame, it's a Harry Hindall frame made in California back in the sixties. It's nothing like an M11 frame. The tank is a HiPoint/Lyta (depending on where you buy them). Mark with a K
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I think we need to distinguish between a Firko MARK and the other Marc - repost the pic MARK and at least that is one lot sorted out or we'll get a headache !!!
Dave MAC (not MARC) :D
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Dave....is this the bike you're talking about? If it is, the tank is made by Lyta and sold as a Hi Point in the USA.
Assuming that this is the bike you're referring to, what gave you the idea that it's an M11 frame? It's nothing like one.
The spelling of my name is Mark (note K) The other bloke is Marc (note C in the spelling). .
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/camden10.jpg)
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Hi Mark, that is write, that is the tank, and the frame, Mark. Thank you a lovely looking bike.
cheers
david
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(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/CIMG0026.jpg)
Marc, tell me more about the bike in Reply #18 above. Looks great!