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Marque Remarks => Spaniards (Bultaco, Ossa, Montesa etc) => Topic started by: montynut on March 18, 2009, 05:51:07 pm

Title: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: montynut on March 18, 2009, 05:51:07 pm: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Bultaco-Pursang-Mk9-1976-with-Montessa-Motor_W0QQitemZ250391188601QQihZ015QQcategoryZ102690QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: cappra on March 18, 2009, 06:47:59 pm: It's an early Cota 247 motor as well.... ???
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Post by: mx250 on March 18, 2009, 07:32:27 pm: Love the 'chamber' :o :o ::)
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Post by: Marc.com on March 18, 2009, 07:40:55 pm: what the hell were they thinking, were there no XL350 motors available ;D
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Post by: mx250 on March 18, 2009, 07:41:33 pm: How is that 'chamber' held in place? A wish and pray? The Cota had a big exhaust nut which I can't see. No manifold, no springs, no nutthing ::). Jam and pray ;).
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Post by: maicomc490t on March 18, 2009, 11:31:02 pm: Ya gotta love the sellers optimism !!!

"Missing parts are - seat, kickstart, gear lever[should arrive any day], coil, and rear brake pedal shaft assembly.

Motor turns over, has ok compression, has dual spark plugs, also has pump up front forks.

I guess when it all comes down to it, most of the bike is present, you could certainly get it up and running pretty easily"

And wonder if the gear lever (should arrive any day) is from an Ossa to maintain the Spanish influence.

Good luck to him !

Dave Mac :D
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Post by: Lozza on March 19, 2009, 12:24:16 am: Looks to have a Yamaha forks and front wheel, I wonder if it has to parts from the same manufacturer?
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Post by: maicomc490t on March 19, 2009, 02:23:53 am: '78 Honda CR250 forks and wheel.

This bike represents globalisation and that mattress could tell a thousand stories :o

Dave Mac :D
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: bigk on March 19, 2009, 09:32:15 am: Seen the bike, (oh dear), and the seller wouldn't budge under $500 about a month ago. Even $300 is a tad optimistic.
Cheers,
K
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: mx250 on March 19, 2009, 11:31:34 am: Quote from: bigk on March 19, 2009, 09:32:15 am
Seen the bike, (oh dear), and the seller wouldn't budge under $500 about a month ago. Even $300 is a tad optimistic.
Cheers,
K
It would take a particular type of masochist to buy that bike even at $300 ::).

Everything is either rusted, faded or butchered :P. And the rest would be a 'pig in a poke'.
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: 360DUDE on March 20, 2009, 06:43:35 am: It's a Bulcota 247, ;D

Some kid probably had alot of fun on that bike,
Made something to putt around on out of what they had!
(years ago)
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: runutz698 on March 20, 2009, 03:32:04 pm: At 300dollars it is a bargin, good resto project lol

Nutz
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: bigk on March 20, 2009, 05:50:29 pm: Tom, you really must be nutz, or on drugs. And if you're not on drugs, perhaps you should be!
Cheers,
K
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: runutz698 on March 23, 2009, 12:27:54 pm: Big K I must say to my deffence I am not on drugs(but if I should be what do you recomend), I am just a postive person lol. Must say it is very hard to portray sarcasm over the net.

Cheers
Tom
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: cappra on March 23, 2009, 07:36:08 pm: Well, wouldn't you know it, but the engine is an 11M! Pretty much the rarest of all Montesa's.
Saw an original 11m in very good condition in the UK go for almost 10 thousand USD a couple of years ago.
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Post by: mx250 on March 23, 2009, 07:51:51 pm: You have got his hopes up now Jared........

"I had this listed as a single auction with the bultaco frame until I found out how rare this motor actually is. I am sure all of you would have done the same and relisted the engine/gearbox with a realistic start price for what it actually is. I still have people telling me that the start price is too low, but I want to be realistic.

This motor is mounted in a 1976 Bultaco Mk9 Pursang frame and you are only bidding on the engine/gearbox [frame is in a seperate listing]

The motor turns over freely and has compression. I have never started this engine nor tried as there is no ignition coil, the kick start lever and gear lever are also missing. I got an sms from a friend saying he may have either a kick start or gear lever for me , if that does turn up then it will be included in the sale.

The longer people sit watching this and not bidding the more chance I have to find out what it is really worth, I just had a reply from South West Montesa in Arizona and I quote here:-

"Only 12 11M's can be accounted for worldwide at this time. Very rare. Motor should be worth $1500+ It's the only 4 speed trials motor ever made by Montesa.""

I reckon he's got no hope even at $1000. It's a rare motor, in unknown condition, but is pretty worthless without the rest of the bike.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Montesa-11M-Engine-Gearbox-Number-27-of-44-built_W0QQitemZ250394509183QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item250394509183&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

May the market decide ;D.
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: cappra on March 23, 2009, 08:30:07 pm: I agree. Without the proper frame and bits, a pretty limited market. He did
e-mail and said he had a spaniard that had a frame but no motor, so who knows...
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Post by: 360DUDE on March 24, 2009, 07:42:08 am: Jared,
Did those engines have the crank mounted clutch?

Luke
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: JC on March 24, 2009, 09:30:43 am: I'm fairly sure they didn't Luke

167 frame butchered to take 4sp Mon engine & rear shocks laid down too far (which causes falling rate suspension not rising rate progression) aint going to be worth much

I still have my 167 bought new from Donny Newell in Aug 76. Rear shocks & lack of up-pipe is about all that let it down.
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Post by: cappra on March 24, 2009, 04:39:50 pm: In the Montesa "modern era" (after 1965) only the early 1976 VA 360's
had the crank mounted clutch.
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: albrid-3 on March 24, 2009, 10:48:07 pm: well, that montesa m11 engine will be going back to spain, a collector has bought it.
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Post by: mx250 on March 25, 2009, 08:10:14 am: Quote from: albrid-3 on March 24, 2009, 10:48:07 pm
well, that montesa m11 engine will be going back to spain, a collector has bought it.
The power of the internet - buyer and seller of meet ;).

I assume that because the auction finished early it sold for more than $1000 :o. I wonder if the Spanish buyer has the rest of the bike or a good part of it? If he does I suppose he can't believe his luck :). Lets hope a little of Monty's history is coming together and being preserved ;D.
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Post by: runutz698 on March 25, 2009, 08:41:08 am: Hey Got 2500AU for it, sent it to that big collector in spain. Already left the country and is on it's way to spain.

Cheers
Nutz
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: 360DUDE on March 25, 2009, 08:50:27 am: ;D Man that makes me laugh, good on him
This guy trying to get a few hundred bucks for a bitza made bike, and ends up having on of the rarest motors eva made by montesa!!!
$2500 he's laughen,

Doesn't suprise me it came from Geelong, because of Lyall of course,
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: mx250 on March 25, 2009, 09:04:21 am: $2500 :o :o :o probably broke his neck getting it posted ;D.

Half his luck. This will have him shouting the pub and telling the yarn for years to come ;D.
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: runutz698 on March 25, 2009, 10:07:14 am: The spanish guy got freight company to pick it up from his front door aswell. Lucky Bastard
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Post by: mx250 on March 25, 2009, 10:17:16 am: Quote from: runutz698 on March 25, 2009, 10:07:14 am
The spanish guy got freight company to pick it up from his front door aswell. Lucky Bastard
He was keen ;)
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Post by: maicomc490t on March 25, 2009, 11:47:53 am: That's one funny yarn - now he can afford to buy a new mattress, lol !!!

Good on him - those stories are always good!

Dave Mac ;D
Title: Re: This is sacrilege - Who would do this
Post by: albrid-3 on March 28, 2009, 11:49:57 pm: Gee, l would like to get, 2500 for my brand new cz engine that has never been started.