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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: All Things 414 on September 11, 2007, 07:01:30 am
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After the death of a three year old in country Victoria, Kidsafe Victoria are calling on the Victorian Government to ban all children from under the age of sixteen from riding motorcycles. They believe children are too physically under developed or mentally immature to control such machines. ???
They believe your kids are better off dying from boredom in front of the Nintendo or stealing a car with their mates and running over someone thus spending years in jail much to the pleasure of their fellow inmates....... >:(
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where did you hear this 414
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The news. This morning.
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I have taught all 4 of my kids to ride and the youngest was the earliest to go on her own at 6 and she was only just physically strong enough to ride. I think if you need training wheels on a minibike you should stay on a pushy. At 3 years old i wouldnt be letting a kid ride on there own !.The do gooders are getting a bit ahead of themselves as to what they will let me do .
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So Kidsafe is another make-work group, who wanders around the countryside looking for ways to make peoples' lives hard, just to keep themselves in employment?
I wonder how many of them have been to a junior MX meet? Anybody who says that a typical 12 year old is "...too physically under developed or mentally immature to control such machines" has cleary been living under a rock...
As much as the child's death is an awful tragedy, I can't help but wonder about the details. Were they wearing protective gear? What sort of bike were they on (KTM50? Pocket bike? Or a PeeWee)? Was the kid able to ride a push-bike? Etc.
To simply say "nobody under 16 should be allowed to ride bikes" is nothing more than sensationalist dribble.
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Thats a typical overeaction by the moron fringe .
Over here some tree hugging Dyke bitch has managed to get a law passed stopping parents from smacking their kids :o
All its done is made real people potential criminals , the scum fringe will still beat the crap out of there kids ::)
Another case of the modern world gone mad.
I am so thankfull i was born best part of 50 yrs ago as i will hopefully tip over before this world dissapeers up its own arse ;D
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I just read the story and what a complete and utter load of crap >:( The man in question for making such a ridiculous suggestion is Mark Stokes. I reckon we should ban all kids from horse riding and pushbikes, football too, not to mention hockey, soccer, netball and basketball, matter of fact ban them from all sports and everywhere or anything that could injure them. Kids have accidents in the home and at school too so lets remove them from their parents and schooling also because obviously they simply are not safe there either! The only suggestion I have is remove these idiots like Mark Stokes who come up with such brainless suggestions. Below is the news article in reference.
Boy's death sparks motorbike ban call.
A child safety advocate has called for laws banning children under 16 from riding motorcycles after a three-year-old boy was fatally injured in a crash on a western Victorian farm.
The boy was riding a motorbike on training wheels when he crashed down an embankment by the Wimmera River on his parents' property at Quantong, west of Horsham, on Sunday afternoon.
The boy fell head first on to a log in the river, a Rural Ambulance Service spokesman said.
The boy's father was trying to resuscitate him when paramedics arrived from Melbourne.
He was flown to the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne, where he died on Sunday night.
Kidsafe Victoria president Mark Stokes said 900 children aged 14 and under were admitted to Victorian hospitals in the past three years with injuries from motorcycle accidents.
A further 1,800 presented for treatment at hospital emergency departments, Dr Stokes said.
"The reality is that children under 12 do not have the developed strength or motor skills to handle motorbikes and riders also needed to develop a greater maturity and sense of judgment, road safety and responsibility," he said.
"Proportionally we believe similar statistics exist in every state," he said.
Dr Stokes called on Australian governments to introduce legislation similar to US laws banning under-16s from riding motorcycles.
Teens often used motorcycles on the road or in dangerous locations without any training or licensing, he said.
"It seems ludicrous that we have an appropriate regime of driver training and licensing for driving a car, but in the case of a motorbike or mini bike there is virtually no control over the age limit for motorbike riders on bikes that can do up to 60 km/h," he said.
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im recently turned 16 i ride a cr125 and me parents still get worried bout me goin ridin in the bush with my mates :o but i try not to do anything out of my level of riding but then again i do try new jumps and new tracks other wise you cant really improve ;)so theres always a chance of something going wrong even if your being carefull it just sounds a bit ridiculous what the governments talking about.
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umm thats why they have rider safe and Kick start. you cant get a junior license unless you have complete the 'Kick start; course, although you can still get a rec licence under 10 you still need to be in a club, if any thing needed to be done it already has the coaching for Kick start means all kids need to pass a theory and bike handling couse before they get on the track and race/get a licence. The rec licence has to be signed of by the club secretary who is needed could also call for a handling test to be sure befor ehe signs off the application form.
its already covered. They just like to have a new "target that cant speak back" most bush kids that get killed are on Pitbikes or a shitter and get pinned by a trail tree, most are sneaking through on registered on vacant land/trails. its a bit of a shotgun statement, but that what the media want no context lots of sensationalism.
what was left out was the fact he was riding without a helmet ( im sure there is a law for that, and in a freak accident even if your on a horse, bicycle or running, if you land head first on a log with a 3 year old 'soft' spine and neck thigs are always going to go bad, accidents happen.
what kids safe should focus on is, smoking, drugs and depression around kids, with kids and kids with, but thats not as easy as a few stats on a current outcome.
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As you said. We're soft targets. Every mother's nightmare. They'd be a lot happier if bikes didn't exist!
As for you young Tom......Unregistered, noisy motocross bikes in the bush with un-licensed riders aren't a lot of help to us either >:(
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yes dad
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;D ;D ;D
Cheeky bugger you are Freaky
Just a slow news day and beware the empty handed journalist.A classic beat up if I ever saw one ::)
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settle down on Tom 414..not everyone wants to race and where else are you going to ride especially if there is no club or track nearby? My mother still worries about me riding and I'm 44, it's par for the course of being a parent. My parents didn't have the funds or the means to get me into a club and on a track and I knew that but that didn't stop me riding. As a kid we would ride every given opportunity in the bush on MX bikes and mainly on crown/government land but as long as it's not bothering anyone then there wasn't a problem. I know times have changed a little but Tom sounds pretty sensible. I'm no racer or cluby, I actually have more fun out riding with a few mates in the scrub and if it's not bothering anyone riding in the bush then go for it I say. I may cop a little flack for this but eh..to me it sounds like you are catagorizing Tom with these idiots who ride up and down public streets and parklands on pit bikes and I am sure Tom would agree this sort of behavior is detrimental to the sport but jeez, at 44 I still go out on the odd occassion and ride my unregistered MXer in the bush. The police know the situation in regard to lack of riding areas and there are nasty fines 'but' so long as you don't ride like a spastic on roads/fire trails or near residential areas they really are quite understanding and most times accept the fact we are only having a bit of harmless fun. It's the idiot factor that stuffs up everything, not the guys who ride in some remote bushland away from everyone ;) getting back to the topic, no commonsense, no respect for others, no helmet and no safety gear is a recipe for disaster and this is what's doing the damage not the bikes.
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Remember guys they are in election mode ;D grand standing .head lining what ever you want to call it :(
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Remember guys they are in election mode ;D grand standing .head lining what ever you want to call it :(
I believe BULLSHITTING is the correct technical term
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G'day viewers just to let you all know my son Tom knows if I catch the little bugger riding on the tar I'll cut his bike up and throw it.When I was growing up I did it so why should I rob my son of the great fun to be had with a few friends on bikes in the bush.
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Yeah its always sad when a kid loses thier life.. even worse when the vultures pick the bones whilst the grieving parents are still crying.,
The media sucks,, do a media course at Uni and even they say how it sucks with its manipulation of the masses .. hitlers propaganda regieme would be proud.
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I read that story today and my heart goes out the parents who just don't need the total SHIT that the journos are running with courtesy of that C***sucker who wants to ban kids under 16 etc. Imagine how they feel and I have no intention of speculating as to what happened or what the kiddie was or wasn't doing right. For pities sake let the poor little tyke rest in peace and leave the rest of us alone cos i am sick of it all.
Throw the 'do gooder' wanker on a plane and take him to Lorretta Lynn's MX week in the US next year and tell me if kids aren't strong and fit and co-ordinated. The idiot most likely has boring sad little farts of kids or none at all but we have to watch guys like that because once they and their ilk form the dreaded committees or get into government and then we are in trouble !!!
Like many of us on here I grew up in the sixties and seventies and did stuff just like young Tom and good luck to you mate - you are out the there with your mates doing just what we did as teenagers and the guys I rode with did only that - RIDE. We didn't goof off at the pool hall's (that explains why I'm a a shit shot, lol) or go around making nuisances of ourselves as we were too busy either riding till dark or patching up our old converted road bikes or trailies, and also like me worked every spare day I could so one day I could take delivery of my very own CR125M and i still remember that like it was yesterday! Keep it up and just ride safe - something I taught my kids was to recognise 'The Fear Factor' - when you are ripping around and you start to shit yourself it means you have gone beyond your ability and your brain is trying to tell you that - slow down, learn 'smooth' and the rest will come in time.
In closing and for guys out there who have little ones pay money for the best gear you can afford for them, maintain their bikes and buy insurance in the form of professionally run training schools. my kids both did a number of Gall's Academy schools in their holiday breaks and they ride better than me (that wouldn't be hard, lol !!!)
Geeze I'm beginning to sound like an old fart, LMFAO !!! :o
See you at the back of the pack!
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I'm sorry for being the bearer of the bleeding obvious but MOTOCROSS BIKES IN THE BUSH ANNOY THE SHIT OUT OF EVERYBODY WHO DOESN'T RIDE A MOTOCROSS BIKE IN THE BUSH!! There's no two ways about it. Our local track is once again coming under scrutiny because of wankers participating in this activty. Gives them more leverage to CLOSE ANOTHER TRACK!!
I hear all the bleeding heart stuff about "back in my day we used to trot out there and have a blast and no one cared....." but those days are over!
More and more people have access to those area's today. They like to ride their quiet horses in them. Take their quiet families into them. They LIVE in them. So when they see and hear little Johnny on the main jet, front wheel in the air, in full motocross outfit, they can't see the difference. They will want to get rid of all of us!
If you really really really care about your kids and our sport, join a club, get licencsed and give the people that wanna close us down no ammunition what's so ever.
Because when little Johnny is peeled off that tree and is on the news that night, parents everywhere will 'Tsk tsk" and tell their kids that there's no way in the world there getting one of "those noisy death machines!"
OK. Bring it on folks.....
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Well I don't mind being called a wanker (been called a heck of a lot worse :P) I for one WILL still ride my MX bike in the bush for the simple reason I know it's not affecting anyone and it's not going cost me a fortune whenever I wish to ride. I am not talking about the bush down the end of the road or the bit of bush beside the new housing estate, I am talking of the bush or private properties where you can ride all day and not cross the same track twice or see any sort of civilization except for a plane flying 30000 feet above. Of course you need to ask permission first but for most, out of sight or earshot is out of mind. There are still plenty of areas like this but agreed you have travel further to find them these days. You are throwing everyone into the idiot factor which in my veiw is totally ignorant. I live in the suburbs and yes there is a local track (Nudgee) but the big problem is the gates are locked 99.99% of the time. What's the good of that when little Johnny would like to have a ride? Absolutely none! It may as well not exist! What we need is more riding parks or areas designated for trail riding. The area this said track is built upon was once designated 'free' for all minibikes and trailbikes under 90cc but now you need to be a club member and pay $$$ for the simple pleasure of teaching little Johnny how to ride. This track I mention is also the centre of a lot of noise complaints from suburbs over 2 klms away which is not doing our sport any good either. Fact is it's harder to find places to ride not only because of noise but the ridiculous liability bullshit that these days seems to take the fun out of almost everything. Times have changed yes but the truth is the problem now lies firmly on the parents and the government's shoulders for allowing the market to become flooded with bloody Chinese pocket bikes and minibikes that cost next to nothing. The parents buy the bikes because they are so cheap but don't give a second thought as to where little Johnny may ride and the government loves it because of the taxes and duties it can impose on such imports. Maybe if the powers that be were to halt the flood of chinese cheapies you would see a reduction in complaints and injuries but until such times the problem will only get worse as the bikes become increasing easier to obtain. To me it's like the file sharing and copyright bullshit, they give us all the incentive and tools we need to do the job for next to nothing and then say that's great, but just don't use it! I am about to start teaching a young bloke to ride but it won't be done where it annoys people.
This was in the news today.
Victorian Premier John Brumby has ruled out any changes to the law that would ban young children from riding motorbikes, despite the death of a boy.
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Yamaha does not endorse the use of training wheels on the PW50. In fact, doing so voids the warranty (if there is one). They believe that a child should be able to hold a bike up if they're going to ride it.
I tend to agree. I would never tell anyone else what to do, but three years old is too young for my children to ride a motorbike. I'll let them master a pushie first. What's the hurry anyway?
Tex
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The cold hard facts are you cant ride a motorbike anywhere on public land unless it is registered and you are licensed. So unless you have access to private property you have to pay for somewhere to ride . I own 5 chinese pitbikes and my kids are yet to ride up and down our street or tear up the local park with them because i dont Let them .My 12 yr old son would like nothing better than to roar around to his mates place on his YZ80 the only thing stopping him is me and he had the good fortune of watching a kid highside a YZ125 down the mainstreet in shorts and tee shirt, this has left a lasting impression as the kid is still under going skin grafts while this hasnt been the best for the kid involved ,the several hundred schoolkids who witnessed it were taught a valueable life lesson !. My kids have graduated on to MX bikes and we ride them at the local MX park $15 a day per child .I have always rode at the track there is one located just about everywhere, it may mean that you have to put your hand up and do a bit of work to make it happen and maybe load up and take them there but that is what it takes.
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Who didnt stack thier pushie when they were learning to ride it? Bet it was the same scenario whith your first dirt bike. I cant think of a dirt bike ive owned that I havnt been been either tossed off or had to throw away. Its a learning curve and we all get injured to varying degrees. we as "experienced riders still get injured even on well made and supervised tracks. Its the nature of the sport to get injured and the reason we all wear the best quality protection as we can afford that must meet certification .
The onus of keeping ourselves safe is upon us and to not ride beyond our own ability or its our own stupid fault if we do have an injury and that includes trail riding and supervised tracks.
In the early 70's I was fortunate to have 100 acres of cleared land to learn to ride on with only the occassional fence to contend with. I still have the scar on my shoulder from my first off. My then protective gear was a pair of desert boots so i could kick the big heap of crap over.. No helmet no elbow or knee guards or anything else.
After i scored my first decent bike I bought a pair of Rossi's and a centurian helmet and a pair of spider gloves and started to ride in the state forests at Nabiac. It was registered and I had a learners permit to do so. I still fell off lots but was less injured partly from the experience i had gained and also because of the choice i made to wear the protective gear.
As to MX bikes in the bush The only hassle our riding group had was the unsilenced ones that bought the constabulary into the forests to interupt our riding and give us a piece of paper for a blown tail light bulb. Most of the time we were hassle free. Even the silenced MX bikes could ride all day without issues .
Our choices for venues were at that time the SF or private land as no track existed in the area untill Failford which didnt last long at all. My old man who was into bikes as a young buck worked most weekends so I taught myself how to fall off and how to make decisions about my safety. If he didnt need to work Im sure he would have loved to have been there to show me how to fall off the right way and thats the same way I will teach my young bloke.
I will take him to the bush away from the built up areas to a safe open trail and ensure he has on all the riding gear and make certain his bike is safe and also that he knows how to operate and keep it and himself safe .
Lastly i believe that chinese made for the masses minibikes should have a levy placed upon them if they are garaged in urban areas unless there is a club membership presented. This will halt the wave of street and vacant block riding that does give people the shits and bundle us all together as the nuisance factor.
It aint rocket science guys just common sense to be safe and not give anyone a reason to hassle you.
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Is funny but anything seems to annoy the crap out of some people. To different eyes two people walking down a street is a mass riot. One muffled registered bike riden by a licenced rider unseen , could be construed as a bikie gang partying up and doing burnouts, probably smoking drugs aswell..
It dont matter how or where but something will annoy someone and thats just the way it goes. Hell i cant stand the taste of white chocolate and cats annoy me but i realise some people do enjoy them. Im pretty sure I annoy the crap out of a lot of people with a lot of things that I enjoy.. stifff, thats just the way life is and the way life balances itself.
Thankfully we do have some beaurocrats that can sort the extremist views out and take the middle ground so we all have a fair shot at enjoying life.
Its not about money its about using a bit of common sense and minimising the impact of ones own pleasures on the general public.. probably the reasoning bike tracks are located in remote or industrial zoned areas.
As for being injured or causing harm to anyone else well that can happen riding a pushbike legally on a road and yes I would still be responsible for thier actions. No amount of "cotton wool" will protect everyone from every situation. All we can do is minimise the chances of harm by doing what we can and not being a dickhead or extremist about it.
Thankfully extremist views and policies dont win votes and are costly to impliment or we would be under marshall law and couldnt fart without an expensive permit........ and the whingers would still whinge even though it would be perfectly legal.
Whatever you say
Someone will be annoyed by it
Whatever you do
Someone will be annoyed with it
Even if you do or say nothing
Someone will be annoyed by it
So you may aswell do and say what you like.
Frank Zappa
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What the hell is wrong with cats?
I love cats... although I can't eat a whole one
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To blame this on cheap pitbikes is missing the point . Just because you can buy something ,doesnt give you the right to use it illegally or iiresponsibly there has been stupid people riding motorbikes illegally and iiresponsibly forever .And there has been the people who do the right thing and fight and work to enjoy this sport . The point is as a large group we have a voice and influence over decisions that will affect us. eg. MA. shit i better pay my fee's.
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Here, here!
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I am an evil father I had my sons riding, no! racing an 836cc Honda four Sidecar at Sixteen!!!!!!!! Looks like extra red hot pokers up my arse all the way to infinity when I reach the "happy hunting grounds" ( Hmm shit that is a bloody long time!) >:(Tim
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"The reality is that children under 12 do not have the developed strength or motor skills to handle motorbikes and riders also needed to develop a greater maturity and sense of judgment, road safety and responsibility," he said.
I agree. But that can also be made to apply to just about anybody, of any age, in any sport or activity, IF you bother to twist the stats to suit your argument.. At 46 I'm still working on 'motor skills, maturity, road safety, judgement and responsibility'... Should the law be that nobody UNDER, say 55, should be allowed to participate in any sports or recreational activity? Is that too young?
I live in fear for my three year old.. but so did your dad... and his...
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Two points from me:
1. As kids my mates and I looked after ourselves on our bikes. We'd typically disappear just after breakfast and re-appear when it got dark. We did a lot of stuff and covered a lot of ground. Our parents drummed certain limits/restrictions into us, and then let us roam free like the ferals we were (are?).
I make no claims to being the perfect specimen who has lived a perfect life, but that part of my childhood taught me a shitload about consequence, responsibility, and limits.
Looking back, of all my childhood mates, the percentage of my riding buddies who grew into deadbeat adults is tiny compared to the overall. Same goes for other 'significant errors of judgement' that teens/early 20s are prone to making. I firmly believe that not being molly-coddled as kids really helped us develop as people.
Watching my friends' kids, younger siblings, kids at race meets, etc I see the same clearly defined pattern. My wife had a similar experience in her childhood (albeit without motorbikes) and has come to similar conclusions.
As a non-parent (but I am instructed that I will become one in the next 12 months or so...) I hope that I will be able to offer my child/children the same sorts of opportunities.
2. There's bush and there's bush... To lambast Tom for simply "riding in the bush" might be valid or it might be miles off the mark. ;)
There's a world of difference between the small vacant block down the end of the suburban street, and that 15,000acres that nobody even knows who the owner is... It might be technically wrong, but if nobody cares, then... nobody cares...
Rural people also have a different approach/attitude to city people (generally speaking. Just don't get me started on SeaChangers/TreeChangers).
My riding as a kid was in the same general area as where Tom lives. If he tells me that where he rides doesn't annoy anyone, then I'll have no trouble believing him - even with the crazy population growth in that area in the last 15 years, there's still a lot of potential riding spots that are miles from anyone.
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Blaming cheap chinese imports is not missing the point. Jumping on guys who sensibly ride away from civilization IS missing the point! Yes people have always been annoyed by dirtbikes but you have missed what I was saying. Pokey has it right! If you are sensible then it significantly reduces the impact caused to others to all but nil. I have ridden in the bush since I was a 7 year old. 37 years later I am yet to have the police or anyone confront once me due to a nuisance complaint or non compliance of any type. All I am saying is the cheapie bikes have flooded the market and now more than ever more people are pissed off at all bikes because of the shear numbers scooting around illegally in suburbia. If you look around they are everywhere! I am not saying don't join a club if that's what you like, (I personally don't because as I said, I enjoy a days trailriding with mates more than racing around a track) what I am saying, if an under 16 year old owns a bike be it chinese, japanese or whatever then the onus is on the parents to make sure they do the right thing. The blame should removed from the kids and placed squarely on the parents. Also all the new generation of serious registerable trailbikes are infact nothing more than modded MX'ers making equally as much noise and doing just as much damage or more when used inappropriatly. Being legal or of age is not to say you won't/don't annoy people if you have no brains and disrespect others peace and quiet. Don't go jumping on the average trailrider just because he harmlessly rides an MX bike out in bush. Jump on the parents that buy the bikes and allow under 16's to do so in or near residential housing estates, parklands or public roads. Also I honestly don't know of any official track or riding park around Brisbane (within a couple of hours drive) where you can simply pay $15, $20 or even $30 dollars and ride all day. Last place like that was Highvale Park (Ormeau) back in the 80's but that too is now a residential area. Tell me where one can do this and I'll be there pronto but until then I'll simply continue to ride in the bush 3 hours away up between Childers and Biggenden or an hour away at Laceys Ck using commonsense and courtesy so as not to offend anyone.
Nathan, spot on! I just read your posting as I was about to post and you have managed to basically describe exactly what I have been trying to say in my stupid roundabout way. If we did something stupid not only would my parents have have come down on me but the other parents as well and it would not have been pretty. Ironically out of all my motorcycling mates I have ridden with for many many years the only ones who have been killed on bikes in the later years were the ones who joined clubs and raced competitively from an early age. There are aguments for and against as always but then as always there are 3 sides to the story, yours, mine and the truth that lay somewhere inbetween. To jump on Tom without knowing the specific details is simply wrong.
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The report stated that they would try to ban kids 16 and under from riding .These kids cannot legally ride anywhere except on private property or at licensed MX park or Track. (you can get around this with rec reg but again there are age limits ). I havent directed any criticism at anyone personally. i,m merely stating my understanding of the laws regarding motorbikes. As a parent you are responsible for your childrens actions. Who is buying these bikes for them ?. The parents of course .Kmart are selling pitbikes now .So that should put a few more misguided kids on the street. And you can sugar coat it all you like but riding an unregistered bike here or there is still illegal. As for riding parks,I dont Know about Brisbane but there are 2 in Melbourne suburbs and 1 within an hours drive .
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I read in the Herald Sun that the poor little tacker fell down a 4 metre drop. I'm not trying to point blame but if you are going to teach your kids how to ride especially for the first time, suss out the area and make sure it's suitable. As for Kid Safe......just another group of people who have nothing better to do then make decisions and statements on things they know nothing about for no reason apart from justifying there employment in the public sector. Yeah motorbikes are not the safest things out there but there are plenty of worse things they could be doing, a bit of direction and foucus wouldnt go astray these days, plus what i think the sport gives you is priceless.
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\As for you young Tom......Unregistered, noisy motocross bikes in the bush with un-licensed riders aren't a lot of help to us either >:(
well the only legal places to ride are stockton beach or your back yard
and its not like he is riding up and down the road doing wheelstands and what not
cheers
luke
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Guys, speaking as an ex-trailrider for nearly 20 years, IMHO there is NEVER any justification for riding an unregistered motorcycle in a public place, be it local road, vacant block, "private" land without permission, state forest or national park.
Reasons? Two main ones.
1. Insurance. If you get hit by someone riding an unregistered bike, there is no insurance. That is unacceptable.
2. Accessibility. Good registered bikes are super easy to find and are avilable in a large range of prices. There is no need whatsoever to ride an unregistered bike in a public place nowadays.
I'm not going to enter into the debate about noise, as that's not the real issue and registered bikes can be stupidly loud anyway... ???
As to the issue of juniors riding in public places - it's illegal as well as they are unlicenced. Parents should be responsible and care enough for their kids to take the time to take them somewhere where they can ride legally, not just let them go off and create havoc for the rest of the trailriding population by their actions... ::)
As an interesting side note, if all parents took responsibility for their kids riding legally, there would undoubtedly be more demand for proper riding parks making it easier to find them! ;)
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Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend,
Common Sense, who
> has been with us for many years.
> No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were
long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
> He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:
> knowing when to come in out of the rain; why the early bird gets the
> worm; life isn't always fair; and maybe it was my fault.
> Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend
> more than you earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are
> in charge).
> His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but
> overbearing regulations were set in place.
> Reports of a
6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing
a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after
> lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only
> worsened his condition.
> Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the
> job that they
themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly
children.
> It declined even further when schools were required to get parental
> consent to administer sun lotion or an Aspirin to a student; but could
not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have
an abortion.
> Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses;
> and criminals received better treatment than their victims.
>
> Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a
> burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for
assault.
> Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to
realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot.
> She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge
> settlement.
> Common
Sense was preceded in death,
> by his parents, Truth and Trust,
> by his wife, Discretion,
> by his daughter, Responsibility,
> and by his son, Reason.
> He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers;
> I Know My Rights
> I Want It
Now
> Someone Else Is To Blame
> I'm A Victim
> Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
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Last post ,bloody brillant , also what ever happend to "shit happens" .I have 5 kids 4 ( 4 to 18 years old) of them ride bikes both on trail rides and motocross ,we are lucky to have mates places to ride also I think most Kiwis that have bikes do.The strange thing is that in the 12 years my kids have been riding we have had 1 broken arm , 1 broken fingure 1 broken nose and 1 broken leg ,all occured doing the following ,arm= trampoline,finger=soccer,nose=horse and leg push bike ! We cant always run after them with a pillow to land on and life is full of these tests .
Banning them from riding is not the best way to develop a generation of self reliance.
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be nice if I could lure mine away from the Xbox to ride without bitching.
anyway self reliance is out, reliance on the state is in.
I would assume in NZ that rugby, swimming at the beach, working in your parents convenience store and living with the Kahui's is probably far more hazardous than riding. ???
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\As for you young Tom......Unregistered, noisy motocross bikes in the bush with un-licensed riders aren't a lot of help to us either >:(
well the only legal places to ride are stockton beach or your back yard
and its not like he is riding up and down the road doing wheelstands and what not
cheers
luke
No you're totally right you (deleted), why don't you and young Tom do a little trip around Australia on your little motocrossers aka Charley Boorman, Ewan McGregor style.......
As someone else said. If parents did the the right thing and took these kids to proper tracks with supervision then there'd be a lot more of these tracks to take them to!
I hardly think letting them do whatever they want, out of sight-out of mind is taking much of an interest in your kids :-\
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Im 16 and i ride my PE400 in the bush and try to do so to not annoy anyone if there are other vehicles i move away but i know other guys who ride their mx bikes youd be lucky to hear them over my PE i first starting riding it when i was 14 and it isnt irresponsible by my parents to let me i havent crashed it yet i have other bikes but to simply wrap every kid up in bubble wrap will get no body any where i wish i could ride somewhere close for a small fee as i would be pushing my bike there every weekend but it has turned stupid with the responsibility turned back on the people who charge you to ride their it is in no way their fault if i have a crash i enjoy what little riding i get to do it seems they are making it harder and harder for young kids to be able to ride were as the build a fully concrete skate park across the rode which must see so many injuries how hard can it be for some authority to reserve some land for people to ride on? :(
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Gee. Someone I know would be having a fit over that grammer! ::)
Dress it up any way you like. Allowing unlicensed kids to ride in public areas on unregistered bikes in grossly negligent........
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WHO GIVES A FLYING FORK A POLICE CHASE NEVER HURT ANY BODY IT ALWAYS TURN A NOVICE INTO A EXPERT JUST DONT GO HOME UNTILL THE COAST IS CLEAR ::)
Yeah. And can you imagine the amount of whining these parents would be doing when when little 'Johny' goes for a slide down the road after the big nasty Policeman came after him.
They'll probably settle at half a million. ???
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I got chased a few times , when I was younger :D
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the way i see it, the only places unlicsenced kids on un registered bikes should be riding is on private property, or a proper authorised club MX track/riding park and should not be just out in the 'bush' or on public land no matter if they are on a pit bike, a proper enduro bike or a MX bike.
every single little riding area we had in south australia is pretty much now gone and has signs up saying no bikes. i only heard of another spot shut down the other week and its mainly due to hoons and people on unregistered bikes.
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lol i could tell you some stories that would curl you toes ;D
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sounds interesting Paul
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Bloody hell, this thread began back in September 2007 - nearly 18 months ago!
Opinions are certainly divided on this one.
Anyhoos, I'm wondering if any legislation or any groundswell of 'banning' action has occured as yet?
Or was it another Journo filling a space in the paper or the evening News - let's see what we can stir up and stretch out and milk for a weeks press?
Yeah I know 'riding areas' are being closed down, but I mean the 'Banning kids from riding' bit which is what started this thread.
Anyone, anyone? :-\
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but kids need a place to ride where ever it is ,and kids will get injured what ever they do ,at the end off the day there learning to be just like there dads who are reliveing there childhood with there maicos monties zooks and yams ect ect
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OK MR ROSS 390 YOU TELL ME YOU HAVE NEVER DONE IT IN YOUR LIFE
Yes I did. But I'm not saying that excuses it. In fact I would have been a lot happier if my Old Man at the time had been paying a bit more interest in what we were up to. It was in fact my Mum that got me into motocross for the very reasons I'm against (motocross) bikes in the bush.
I also recall when we were out annoying the shit out of everyone back then, a fourteen or fifteen year old kid having a head-on with car in the bush, killing him instantly. The driver is still pretty forked up 'till this day.
There just isn't a sound argument for it at all.....
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As a kid you don't know any better. As an adult you should! ;)
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i have thought about rec reg i dont ride enough though usually on private property and i will get my licence soon any way you are right ross and im sure everyone is guilty of riding where they shouldnt at one stage i really think that there needs to be places people can pay to ride i would be at a trail track near me if one existed all the time thanks Michael.
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well i have to agree with that ,and it, as usuall come down to who will put the head on the chopping block
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Bloody hell, this thread began back in September 2007 - nearly 18 months ago!
Or was it another Journo filling a space in the paper or the evening News - let's see what we can stir up and stretch out and milk for a weeks press?
Yeah I know 'riding areas' are being closed down, but I mean the 'Banning kids from riding' bit which is what started this thread.
Anyone, anyone? :-\
Remember what 1 article in a Sunday paper did to the E49,GTHO and friends. >:(
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Bloody hell, this thread began back in September 2007 - nearly 18 months ago!
Opinions are certainly divided on this one.
Anyhoos, I'm wondering if any legislation or any groundswell of 'banning' action has occured as yet?
Or was it another Journo filling a space in the paper or the evening News - let's see what we can stir up and stretch out and milk for a weeks press?
Yeah I know 'riding areas' are being closed down, but I mean the 'Banning kids from riding' bit which is what started this thread.
Anyone, anyone? :-\
my mistake,makin a few lately ::)
I did a search for kids bikes and this thread came up.
The Obituary for COMMON SENSE on page 3 was suppose to be for
"who has heard of this lately-no more kids bikes in US"
I thought when the warning came up, it was a computer gremmlin "this thread has not be used in the last 121days" was a bit suss :-\..
oh well I'm off to have me silly in the head pills. ;D
alison
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No problem VMX 247 , just one of those days ;D Just dont forget , no F and C words and dont forget to delete with out notice ;D :D
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whats that F & C words,you say. :o
Fish and Chips :D
or Fussy Children ;D
alison 8)
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Fish and Chips will do fine , did you see my new shirt ?
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must of been this one you wanted
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=6413.0
on page 2 of general discussion ;)
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Thats interesting , do you think thats for real ? Thank you for bringing it up .
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certainly is my friend
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must of been this one you wanted
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=6413.0
on page 2 of general discussion ;)
thanks
Fish and Chips will do fine , did you see my new shirt ?
no, if it fugly or crude,I'm not keen on lookin. ;D
alison
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I would not dare on this forum VMX 247 . Gosh , what some people take in their mouth , I would not even take in my hand :(
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I would not dare on this forum VMX 247 . Gosh , what some people take in their mouth , I would not even take in my hand :(
ok cool,
do we get to see the new shirt(post it up) or are we going to imply about hand and head jobs all night.
alison
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First outing will be Broadford , sorry you have to wait (for what ever ) till then ;D
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Are you coming to Broadford VMX 247 ? I am very interested to meet you and have a bit of a " race"