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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: maxvmx on January 27, 2015, 06:02:06 pm
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OMG,
Hi 30’s in Perth this week, we even had high 40’s in our north west just recently. I can’t remember how I used to live without a air conditioned car, home and workplace growing up but somehow I did?
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You aren't as tough as you were ??? ;D this what happens when old age setts in ;D
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Don't tell anyone but top temp here in North west Tassie was a scorching 22dec today global warming yeh . Iain 8)
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Hurricanes , Heatwaves and Blizzards , Floods and Fires of never known dimensions . There are still people that live in air conditioned offices that are denying climate change .
I feel the climate is warming a touch BUT I don't think it's anything that the humans are doing, shit we are living around a ball of molten lava; sure the place is going to warm up ;-)
I didn't get my first air-con in a car until 1997, when I was 37, now I need it ha ha.
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Sydney currently a sweltering 19c
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OMG,
Hi 30’s in Perth this week, we even had high 40’s in our north west just recently. I can’t remember how I used to live without a air conditioned car, home and workplace growing up but somehow I did?
You mean mid west, Derby, Fitroy xing, Halls creek, That's North West...
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last two weeks in vic has been a svelte 24 - 26 with a stiff southerly blowing! not warming up till feb I guess
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OK I see we have some misinformed persons here regarding "climate change"a load of bullshit thrown around so we mugs pay unnecessary taxes/ extortion to conmen and bludgers for more bullshit remedies. Professor of Life Experiences (self declared) Derrick (aka Tim754) shall now put forward the real reason things seem different.
THE WORLD IS NOT GETTING WARMER! INSTEAD GRAVITY IS GETTING STRONGER DUE TO INCREASING AMOUNT OF HUMANS!
Yep here be the proof of my discovery. When you yes you , were 17 to 25 years old you could leap out of bed after a long night of boozing/shagging and general debauchery an arrive at work in good nick.
26 to 35 you found it progressively harder to do same as you and your partner/s had produced children, there by increasing the population , increasing gravity.
35 to 40 the downhill cycle of more kids continues and yes you are feeling the strain a bit harder to get out of bed.
40 to 50 Some of your earlier offspring are starting to have wanted/ oops unwanted off spring themselves increasing the gravity and shite , the shag all night then jump up and flee to work with a smile are now memories..
50 to 60 You groan inwardly and outwardly too at times as you attempt to rise of the edge of your cot to a sore and sorry standing state, Worse still there has been no boozing and bonking..You beloved partner reminds you the offspring are bringing the herd of gravity increasing ,obnoxious, annoying terps she mistaking calls the gorgeous grandkids this weekend to increase the heavy load on your shoulders.
60 and above , haa now I got ya by the short and curlies, The neighbourhood now has had every vacant block around filled with shitty boxes of bricks with sweet fook all backyard and loads of ignorant sub humans filling them...... remember the bit about more people increasing gravity.... from here on in getting to a standing position from ya bed is a increasingly painful bloody nightmare!!
Then one day the population/gravity pull get to the point ya don't get up anymore .... forever....... I win ;)
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Same thing with time. As we get closer to the end of the universe, the gravitational pull of that event is speeding time up. As a result, it is going by much quicker now than 40-50 years ago when we were kids. That's why you've never got enough time to do stuff, you're spot on when you think that.
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Whats an "air conditioned car" ?
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In my life time I've personally seen a " once in a thousand year event " 3 times now and will probably see a couple more before I move along. :o
Experts . ::)
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I'm with Tim754
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My thoughts on this, for what they're worth. (2c.)
Option 1: World is still Warming out of the Last Ice Age: Probability - roughly, say... 50%
Option 2: World is starting to Cool into the Next Ice Age: Probability - roughly, say.. 50%
Option 3: World climate & temperature will/cannot/should/must not change: Probability - Exactly 0%
NASA's claim that 2014 was hottest on record: Probability - 38% (their estimate) That's a FAIL.
Personally, I prefer a Warmer world to a Colder one. But I'm a Queenslander by choice, not by accident. 8)
If greenhouse gasses can/will or are preventing Option 2:, I am prepared to evolve & adapt.
If the World was to Cool by 2C. Humanity will burn EVERYTHING it possibly can, just to stay warm & fed.
That will be an environmental disaster.
Also: LIFE SPEEDS UP - Expansion of the Universe is accelerating, not slowing down.
Better try to keep-up or you'll just keep falling further behind.
Cheers, DJ
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Hah DJ, it's all that undetectable dark matter and dark energy that's making things speed up isn't it?
As for global warming... errr... climate change... I like how quick NASA was to jump on the hottest year evah bandwagon, shame that BEST and the UK Met office weren't quite so unequivocal. I guess we'll see in time just how much CO2 emissions affect your scenarios 1 and 2.
Personally I'd like to know more about these hurricanes, floods, fires and heatwaves of hitherto unseen proportions referred to earlier. I'm not convinced.
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On the news yesterday.
Scientists were checking the water temps UNDER the antarctic glaciers.
Anyone see a problem with this.
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Talking to a local farmer recently, told me the "figures" the CSIRO quotes about temperatures on record have been "revised" from the original figures of the 1920-1970s. being a farmer he also kept records himself, and funnily enough the CSIRO records now meet the requirements for global warming.
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The temperature records are constantly being adjusted according to various parameters to correct for the quality of readings by old or non-standard equipment and to allow for various issues such as discontinuous records, movement of equipment, changes in procedures and so on. The broad effect has been a cooling of the past in the records. You might also notice that BOM tends to talk of records since 1910 as that is when the higher quality Stephenson screens came into general use. That might confound things slightly as it means the temps during the Federation Drought and the earlier hot spells (notably 1875-1878) don't get seen by the general public.
I think it's almost impossible to tell if it is hotter now or not as heavily adjusted records such as we have now simply are not the original records. The adjustments may be all appropriate - certainly BOM would tell you so - but I am doubtful. My opinion only of course.
But certainly the newspaper reports and other historical records support the idea that there have been some extremely hot times in the past. If you do some research you'll be surprised by just how hot, wet, dry, cold, and so on it has been in Australia over the past 200 years. Things now don't really seem that different as far as I can tell.
But then, I'm no scientist.
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Sydney currently 18c ;D
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I like science, I am open to it and I have climate concerns.
But I do not like it if I have been played like a mug because data manipulation.
For example; second hand news though? ? ? i haven't researched for truth
In Newcastle, two friends have told me in the past week that they heard it admitted that the place for measuring historical Newcastle temperatures was moved from Nobby's Headland to Newcastle University. In comparison the Uni is inland to the point where the temperatures vary from between 3 to 11 degrees hotter than the Nobby's measuring station which is situated in the coastal convection.
Convenient oversight, omission or intention.
Then again seeing is believing,,,,and definitely don't believe everything you see either.
Especially if Media, Government or those who stand to make financial gain are anywhere near the equation.
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Although it is concerning that they are considering renaming Iceland to just plain old Land.
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Iceland used to be called Greenland... as it was warmer in viking times I believe..
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Iceland used to be called Greenland... as it was warmer in viking times I believe..
Well didn't that fact just blow me away,, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D thanks Shaun.
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On the news yesterday.
Scientists were checking the water temps UNDER the antarctic glaciers.
Anyone see a problem with this.
NO Problem, It's a Great Gig, If you can get 'some-one' else to pay for you to do it!
Then you get to spend 12 months reviewing, refining & adjusting your results.
If you do it all 'very well' you'll get paid to go back and check for 'changes' each year, for ages.
Skepticism is the foundation of true science, We lose it at our peril.
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What's changed?
Changes do occur naturally anyhow, but how looooooooooong do they take?
It is beyond ludicrous to compare time frames of recent Human history or periods of a few thousand years to the vast age of this planet or even the amount of time it took to bring about the geological changes listed below.
Stand on the beach shore line at Newcastle's Nobbys Headland and look at an ancient dyke(volcano vent) that travels all the way to the top and once beyond, the stratas it travels through are not only sedimentary, but coastal sedimentary, sea shell fossils etc from a once much higher shore line.
Yet if you travel out in your boat for 15 kilometers off shore from Newcastle you will sound the beginning of a deep descent known as the Continental Shelf. It was also once another of our continent's coastal shore lines. Part of an ocean floor that was once dry land. An indisputable show case of evidence, in massive vertical contrasts of historical shore line heights and positions.
So will there be change again,, dam straight there will be,
Lets face it, what every one really wants to know is, "will it bother me?" "will there be a catastrophic change in my very short remaining lifetime?"
Not bloody likely. It would be of a time frame that historically only meteor impacts have produced in relative overnight terms.
But either iether way there is still no just reason or excuse to go on poisoning our planet and air, with pollution.
Of real concern in our lifetimes will be providing for an exploding global population.
(http://i677.photobucket.com/albums/vv132/mc125mick/J_curve_graph_zps87cf6954.png~original)
More than enough reason to clean our act up NOW, prepare and get our shit together as responsible global custodians should do anyhow.
What am I going to do about the impending doom? Enjoy my life to the fullest. Always endeavor to reduce my footprint, never litter and always recycle. Cause it makes me feel good ;D
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Of course my monologue is private satirical bullshit .
The climate change stuff is official factual bullshit.
;) 8) Cheers Tim754
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Of course my monologue is private satirical bullshit .
The climate change stuff is official factual bullshit.
;) 8) Cheers Tim754
Its hardly private Tim, you put it on the world wide web,,,,its even been quoted know ;D
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Iceland used to be called Greenland... as it was warmer in viking times I believe..
Iceland and Greenland are two entirely different places, however, sa, you are right about Greenland being warmer in early Viking times. The advancing cold of the so called Mini Ice Age, circa 1300 to ????, ( the actual dates are a matter of modern conjecture, but are well known in Viking history), drove the Vikings from Greenland. Here's a quote,
There is no consensus regarding the time when the Little Ice Age began, although a series of events preceding the known climatic minima has often been referenced. In the thirteenth century, pack ice began advancing southwards in the North Atlantic, as did glaciers in Greenland. Anecdotal evidence suggests expanding glaciers almost worldwide. Based on radiocarbon dating of roughly 150 samples of dead plant material with roots intact, collected from beneath ice caps on Baffin Island and Iceland, Miller et al. (2012) state that cold summers and ice growth began abruptly between AD 1275 and 1300, followed by "a substantial intensification" from 1430 to 1455.
The population growth does worry us and we prefer to live a relatively simple life, and cut our waste and local impact, such as we can.
Foss
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I wonder how we can pump billions of tons of anything into the air and expect there to be no consequences.
(https://climatesanity.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cartoon-from-trenberth-ams-paper.jpg)
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On the news yesterday.
Scientists were checking the water temps UNDER the antarctic glaciers.
Anyone see a problem with this.
NO Problem, It's a Great Gig, If you can get 'some-one' else to pay for you to do it!
Then you get to spend 12 months reviewing, refining & adjusting your results.
If you do it all 'very well' you'll get paid to go back and check for 'changes' each year, for ages.
Skepticism is the foundation of true science, We lose it at our peril.
Darryl mate you missed it.
Glaciers are on land and the scientists were sending drone subs under them to measure the temps. :o
First time they have done this but the temps were higher than expected. ???
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I wonder how we can pump billions of tons of anything into the air and expect there to be no consequences.
Nathan is right of course but my problem is that nobody has explained the link between what's in my wallet and saving the planet.
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Darryl mate you missed it.
Glaciers are on land and the scientists were sending drone subs under them to measure the temps. :o
First time they have done this but the temps were higher than expected. ???
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I think my point still stands. "Someone (ultimately me, the taxpayer)" has given them the Money to do it, (No matter how ridiculous/impossible).
Re: These Goals
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Totally commendable & I whole-hardheartedly agree.......Just cant see that just Fanatical objections to CO2 will provide the real solutions to these.
Cheers, DJ
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While desirable, many of the items on Nathan's list are not necessarily related to CO2 emissions. Bear in mind that CO2 is NOT a pollutant in the usual sense of the word - an increase from 300ppm to 500ppm is absolutely undetectable in most normal situations and has no impact on livability of cities, sustainability, rainforests, clean air and water and so on.
Reducing CO2 emissions is likely to occur naturally in any case as oil becomes more costly to extract and alternatives are sought. US emissions have already fallen due to economic slowdown and gas.
The question really is not that there are consequences from fossil fuel emissions but the likely severity of these and the urgency around change. I'd observe that so far consequences are not at the level the IPCC has pegged (and indeed even the IPCC has become more circumspect about projections) and that we can afford to take a more considered and cost effective approach. Especially here in Australia where quite literally we could turn the country off tomorrow and make no difference.
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Thank Goodness that at least we have the EPA ::)
So who can be trusted.
Safest approach is no one I say.
Beyond the air that we breath, there is nothing more precious than fresh water
and more to the point keeping it that way, particularity impossible to remedy precious ground water.
AGL just got the go ahead to fracture the crap out of our sub stratas just north of Newcastle, Gloucester.
Already they are ordered to immediately HALT. The EPA have detected illegal and of intolerable poisons.
Would you trust the likes of AGL to continue around one of our most pristine water resources? No transparency.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/agl-suspends-csg-drilling-near-gloucester-after-chemical-find-20150128-12zc80.html (http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/agl-suspends-csg-drilling-near-gloucester-after-chemical-find-20150128-12zc80.html)
Do we really want to trust this lot around our food chain?
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of dire and immediate concern
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-29/gloucester-coal-seam-gas-stopwork-ordered-by-epa/6053666 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-29/gloucester-coal-seam-gas-stopwork-ordered-by-epa/6053666)
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Thank Goodness that at least we have the EPA ::)
So who can be trusted.
Safest approach is no one I say.
Beyond the air that we breath, there is nothing more precious than fresh water
and more to the point keeping it that way, particularity impossible to remedy precious ground water.
AGL just got the go ahead to fracture the crap out of our sub stratas just north of Newcastle, Gloucester.
Already they are ordered to immediately HALT. The EPA have detected illegal and of intolerable poisons.
Would you trust the likes of AGL to continue around one of our most pristine water resources? No transparency.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/agl-suspends-csg-drilling-near-gloucester-after-chemical-find-20150128-12zc80.html (http://www.smh.com.au/environment/water-issues/agl-suspends-csg-drilling-near-gloucester-after-chemical-find-20150128-12zc80.html)
Do we really want to trust this lot around our food chain?
As you say Mick. Trust None of the money grabbing, climate stuffing, fascist bullies not one bit.
I know 3 things for certain. The sky is blue, water is wet and people lie. Anybody risking ruining OUR auqifas? (underground water ways) should be told in no uncertain terms to piss off and don't come back. If the money grabbing bastards didn't sell all our natural gas to China for less than what it cost at wholesale in Australia, there is obviously an oversupply of gas so therefore we don't need anymore for a few years yet. Or are they lying to us worker ants again?
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OK Satire look it up in a dictionary ;)
Not satire or humour ,I actually agree with Nathan’s list! and hey I would cause to be "reused" or "recycled" more items in one working day than many here in a year,well it's my job....
Also I live in a small country town that’s reticulated mains water supply is (shock horror) from deep lead aquifer bores.
Damn it! they should never have let um start sand mining those bloody whales from the open cuts.....
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It might be time to take al of the boats out of the water to drop the ocean level. ;)