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Marque Remarks => Honda => Topic started by: Slakewell on May 27, 2014, 02:03:22 pm
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What is the difference between an XL 185 and a XR 200?
I have looked in the workshop manual and the bore and stroke is the same for both models?
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XL185 63 x 57.8
XR200 65 x 57.8 ;) I checked three different sources of the ones I have Slakewell . Cheers Tim754
Ah ha I also have a shop manual that has the same ( I assume ) misprint. Also have a 1mm oversize kit for XL185 in front of me and the box lists it at 64 x 58
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Thanks I Mr Honda wouldn't lie to me ;)
But it dosent seem very hard to bore an XL 185 out to a big bore 200 either?
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XL185=5 speed
XR185=6 speed
XR200=6 speed
;) ;) ;) ;)
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XL185=5 speed
XR185=6 speed
XR200=6 speed
;) ;) ;) ;)
And I think XL125s=6 speed as well
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XL185=5 speed
XR185=6 speed
XR200=6 speed
;) ;) ;) ;)
And I think XL125s=6 speed as well
Yep you are right Craig :)
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But it doesn't seem very hard to bore an XL 185 out to a big bore 200 either? Sssshhhh don't let bag out of the kitty :D
I have two CB750 engines here that have XL185 oversize piston kits fitted, making one about 798cc and the other about 820cc, straight bore outs as the piston pin size,,piston top and skirt depth are the same as CB754 stock. Can use stock size gaskets too :)
You mentioned amount of gears somewhere?
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Slakey didn't mention gears Tim,but he did ask the difference between the 2,the 6 cog box is what makes the XR200 motor such a gem ;)
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Maybe its just me but back in the ealry 90's these old XR 200's filled the back shed of bike shops and farm sheds, but now they have all vanished
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Maybe its just me but back in the ealry 90's these old XR 200's filled the back shed of bike shops and farm sheds, but now they have all vanished
I've got one of the rare little beasties hiding in my back shed ... well the 82 Prolink version. Top little bike
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Here's one but it could be a pig in a poke,the crankcases are silver & should be black ;) I.E.,may not be the right motor,the only way is to know for sure is by the the engine # which should start with ME04E-********, Plus it sounds like the donk maybe knackered anyway :-\,If you only want a motor remember Honda re released the 2V motor in the XR200 with the uprated chassis in 86 & went through till about 2,000,you may pick one of them up right :) Technically not a vintage motor though ;) http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HONDA-XR200R-DIRT-BIKE-/331211536897?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item4d1dbefa01&_uhb=1
Here's a late model job http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-XR200-2002-trail-bike-1-950-/271496588908?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item3f36752e6c&_uhb=1
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Here's one but it could be a pig in a poke,the crankcases are silver & should be black ;) I.E.,may not be the right motor,the only way is to know for sure is by the the engine # which should start with ME04E-********, Plus it sounds like the donk maybe knackered anyway :-\,If you only want a motor remember Honda re released the 2V motor in the XR200 with the uprated chassis in 86 & went through till about 2,000,you may pick one of them up right :) Technically not a vintage motor though ;) http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HONDA-XR200R-DIRT-BIKE-/331211536897?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item4d1dbefa01&_uhb=1
Here's a late model job http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Honda-XR200-2002-trail-bike-1-950-/271496588908?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item3f36752e6c&_uhb=1
Yep looks like an XL185 motor which was a common swap when the XR motor let go as XL motors were cheap and a straight bolt in. But did you have a look at the pictures ... the last 2 are backwards (how do you do that ??) so it looks like a RH side drive chain :)
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Yep agree definitely has that XL185 look, the Agi-bike CT185 engine was known to end up in XR200's too, not a speed demon..... ::)
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I have an 83 XR 200 6 Speed I also have an 84 XL 200 5 Speed
Only the later XL 200 had 6 speed boxes for the American market
According to my XL 200 work shop manual
The stig
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XL185=5 speed
XR185=6 speed
XR200=6 speed
;) ;) ;) ;)
Also the XL 200 had the same bottom end as the 185 S motor ...
The Stig..
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XR200 6 speed Slow, Very Slow, Very Very Slow, Extremely Slow, F*****g Extremely Slow , Basically Backwards. But all done with big revs and even bigger broad smiles! :) :) :) :) :) :)
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it says elsewhere that the last (twin carb) XR200 shares the XR250 bottom end....any ideas there.
I have all 3 BTW XL185 twin shock, XR200 Twin Carb and XR250 with disc front end...hoping to make something out of one :o
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The Twin carb 4 valve RFVC XR200 was 84-85 RE-RF model only,they shared a lot of components with the 250 of the same years but had thinner forks & drum front brake the engines appear pretty much identical but they may have a different bore & stroke,dunno :-\ then they went back to the single carb 2V engine from 86 on but in the 250 type chassis except still with the skinny forks & drum brake :)
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watched Steve chapman valve bounce a 200 around the Devils Pinch "tin Mine" special test in 83, unreal... (I reckon he pulled the top out of the carb and just went for it!)
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Isn't there also a road bike with a 6-speed? CB125 or something?
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used to use the 6 speed 125s based motor in bucket racing [hotted to the hilt] & had/have blown up bits everywhere from days gone by!! but a few years ago i put a 200 top end on an old 125 bucket bottom end. Had to shorten the cylinder & had a cam ground to [by memory] a Ford RS2000 grind but spread the lobes a bit to get the valves to clear each other on overlap so as not to have to cut the seats way back!!. This was our best 125 bucket cam back in the day and was copied by a few. My mate worked [part owned] a camshaft shop--experimental days & like i said--monumental blow ups coz i was [still am] too stingy to buy new valves an conrods [slow learner]. Anyway, umm, where was i. So this 125/200 went into an XL185 frame, ridden up the road & parked for years till last weekend & got it going [stale fuel etc] to chase the kids around a slippery grassy small track. Was a bit wary for a few laps [maiden voyage etc] but it fair howls & was sooo much fun to ride. Light weight [minimal stuff on it--bare essentials], turns on a dime, pulls wheelies, & can clutch it out of a corner like a modern YZF. Short stroke & big cam makes it a little rever & i just remembered i have a new 'wiseco' 12 to 1 piston kit somewhere. I feel a plan coming on. Love those little motors.
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ive got the blue seat XR200RD and a couple of twin shockers and yes ones got a xl185 5speed in it :-[ and still looking for a silver XR200 donk, the other is missing the donk,tank, front wheel......
I had a great time on the little buggers and that was after the XR500, it all started on a XL100 I luved that bike ;) :D ;D
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a mate had an rc and we used to ride it down into the exploration trenches on the prospect we were working on and out the otherside, banging the bars on the walls... great fun... timed runs around the perimeter track all the good stuff happened on an xr 200
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I had a few XL 185s and XR 200s 2 valvers , awesome fun for what they are . Was always breaking frames on the twinshockers though ::)
Whats the differences between an XR 200 motor and the TLR 200 motor? looks like a different ignition set up , anything else ?
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I had a few XL 185s and XR 200s 2 valvers , awesome fun for what they are . Was always breaking frames on the twinshockers though ::)
Whats the differences between an XR 200 motor and the TLR 200 motor? looks like a different ignition set up , anything else ?
Gear ratios for a start Bill
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There's been plenty of upset "guns" get there arses wooped by XR200's over the years.....you should never bag a tiddler motor....like when Watts'y won the Aussie 6 day outright years ago on a KTM125.
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I have also wonderd about the TLR 250 motor as well but getting hold of one seems hard.
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the way wattsy took the downhill grassy corner in the final test its no wonder he won!
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the way wattsy took the downhill grassy corner in the final test its no wonder he won!
They can inspire even the slowest pilot to ride beyond their means and get away with it.....most of the time. ;D
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There's been plenty of upset "guns" get there arses wooped by XR200's over the years.....you should never bag a tiddler motor....like when Watts'y won the Aussie 6 day outright years ago on a KTM125.
Had a XR200rc and XR200re new back then great little bikes, remember a guy David Oliver from Christchurch NZ on a XR200re at a hare scramble near Dunedin in 1984 cleaning every body up on that bike. You had to rev them to the moon and they handled so nice in the tight stuff.