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Title: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: CRTAD313 on September 06, 2013, 04:37:11 pm
Had a mate call me and is looking at buying a " works replica 87 KX125".which allegedly came from the states.
 My question is there such a bike or is it just a kx125 with your usual back yard upsell and a sticker kit?
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: firko on September 06, 2013, 04:51:30 pm
If it started life at Arizona Mikes I'd be a bit wary. Got any photos?
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: BAHNZY on September 06, 2013, 05:46:46 pm
There is a such a bike, but i thought it was 86 and was a Euro/Asia/Oceania model that didd'nt go to USA. Some would say it was nothing more than BNG, but it certainly came from Kwakasaki and it was denoted by the wording "Works Replica" under the KAWASAKI logo, see link below.

http://www.cmsnl.com/kawasaki-1986-kx125-e1-kx125_model15323/partslist/55217.html (http://www.cmsnl.com/kawasaki-1986-kx125-e1-kx125_model15323/partslist/55217.html)
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: CRTAD313 on September 06, 2013, 06:19:18 pm
Ah ok ,will check the numbers. Wouldn't be the first time someone sold a bike thinking it was the wrong model. Now to see if its a poo cart or not. Thanks guys
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: VMX Andrew on September 06, 2013, 06:29:17 pm
Pretty sure all KX125s from 85 till 87 were all claimed to be works replicas by the company.
They even had the works replica sticker on the side panels somewhere.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: Slakewell on September 06, 2013, 06:29:25 pm
It's either a works bike or not a works bike. Works replica = BS
It could be a production bike with some works parts fitted which is cool.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: bigk on September 06, 2013, 06:59:33 pm
Sounds like a stock '86 KX125 to me. As has been stated the "works replica" was part of the graphics.
K
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: oldyzman on September 06, 2013, 07:14:35 pm
I think the YZ125A was described as a works replica by yamaha

I would describe that beauty that Bik K had for sale on the evil as a Mugen replica, therefore works replica? Top Unit By the way Michael

Is the KX250A4 a works repliuca of the SR250 1977? Looks like to me. Certainly the closest thing i will own to a works bike for the money.


Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: CRTAD313 on September 06, 2013, 07:16:01 pm
Sounds like my sticker kit performance add on thoughts were about right.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: Nathan S on September 06, 2013, 07:37:13 pm
Sounds like a stock '86 KX125 to me. As has been stated the "works replica" was part of the graphics.
K

Yep.

The 85 KX125 I've just dragged home has a factory "Works Replica" sticker on the radiator shroud. Haven't stopped and worked out if its just an 86 sticker or is correct for the 85.

Both the 85 & 86 KXes were very good bikes compared to their competition. By 87 the CR had established a clear lead, but the KX was still miles ahead of the YZ & RM.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: oldyzman on September 06, 2013, 07:42:36 pm
Nathan, Whats you opinion on the best Japanese late 80's 250
Brett
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: 09.0 on September 06, 2013, 08:09:47 pm
A heap of mx models have the works replica shroud sticker from new. It's their gimmick. My '86 500 is the same. 
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: Davey Crocket on September 06, 2013, 08:13:29 pm
Started in 84 on the KX's....and they are pretty cool bikes.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: 09.0 on September 06, 2013, 08:17:53 pm
Started in 84 on the KX's....and they are pretty cool bikes.
very true. The 86 500 has high and low speed rear shock, power valve, rear disc and other cool items.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: Tim754 on September 06, 2013, 08:31:35 pm
Somewhere in the Tim's sheds filing system (aka The black holes) I have some genuine "  unreal Factory Works crap" graphic stickers. Yep genuine for sure , I made them.  ;)
Of course they feature a flying pig motif....
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: Nathan S on September 06, 2013, 08:43:04 pm
Nathan, Whats you opinion on the best Japanese late 80's 250
Brett

US-spec '89 KX250.
'87 CR250.
'88 KX250.
The Suzuki boys all rave about the '88 RM250, but they're properly rare.
The 88/89 CR would be good if you can get the forks right.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: 09.0 on September 06, 2013, 08:51:33 pm
Nathan, Whats you opinion on the best Japanese late 80's 250
Brett

US-spec '89 KX250.
'87 CR250.
'88 KX250.
The Suzuki boys all rave about the '88 RM250, but they're properly rare.
The 88/89 CR would be good if you can get the forks right.
the 88 cr 250 forks would be good straight up being conventional.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: VMX Andrew on September 06, 2013, 08:55:53 pm
Believe it or not the 87 model forkin forks were better Brad.  ;D
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: oldyzman on September 06, 2013, 09:19:09 pm
SO does the 87 cr suffer from water pump housing corrosion issues like the 83 etc...
Brett
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: Nathan S on September 06, 2013, 10:51:44 pm
Yep. I believe there's a later aluminium clutch cover that fits, unlike the '84s.

Honda messed up the 88 CR250/500 forks. They were a step behind the 87 forks, although I'm not sure if the solution is as easy as springs and valving, or not.
There was also criticism of the rear suspension. Probably because that was the start of Honda's idiocy of super-soft springs and too stiff compression valving.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: Scootern29 on September 07, 2013, 02:18:20 am
If it started life at Arizona Mikes I'd be a bit wary. Got any photos?

Thanks Firko, I spit coffee all over myself
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: evo550 on September 07, 2013, 10:09:59 am
Yep. I believe there's a later aluminium clutch cover that fits, unlike the '84s.

Honda messed up the 88 CR250/500 forks. They were a step behind the 87 forks, although I'm not sure if the solution is as easy as springs and valving, or not.
There was also criticism of the rear suspension. Probably because that was the start of Honda's idiocy of super-soft springs and too stiff compression valving.

Water pump, only true for 500's, 250's went to ali in '92 but also used a different PV set up.
All the other words you speak are true...




.....except for that sex max crap ;)
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: oldyzman on September 08, 2013, 04:45:00 pm
So EVO550, you are saying that the 87 250 still had bad water pump housing material. but from 92 was all OK? See i am buying a pre 90 very soon for Dirt track, as my 83 left foot kicker kills me? and i want disc brake too.
Brett
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: evo550 on September 08, 2013, 07:14:09 pm
So EVO550, you are saying that the 87 250 still had bad water pump housing material. but from 92 was all OK? See i am buying a pre 90 very soon for Dirt track, as my 83 left foot kicker kills me? and i want disc brake too.
Brett
Yep, sorry.
Not interchangeable either.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: davidmc on September 08, 2013, 09:15:08 pm
1985 KX Range had preload adjusters on the forks and Ride height adjustment on the Rear Upright linkage as well as previous mentioned items on this thread, they had a lot of features from previous works Bikes and were a true works replica as such.
They worked very well and were ahead of their competetion.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: Tahitian_Red on September 09, 2013, 02:20:37 am
Most of the Euro bikes were "Works Replicas" from the previous year (Minus hand built pipes and all the titanium)
 ;D
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: 09.0 on September 09, 2013, 05:35:41 am
1985 KX Range had preload adjusters on the forks and Ride height adjustment on the Rear Upright linkage as well as previous mentioned items on this thread, they had a lot of features from previous works Bikes and were a true works replica as such.
They worked very well and were ahead of their competetion.
Having both an 85 cr500 and an 86 kx500, when comparing both I prefer the cr with no power valve, drum brake rear etc.
But again when there is no comparison such as yesterday I was comfortable on the kx and had a good days racing. It did everything well. It sure is a pretty thing.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: 09.0 on September 10, 2013, 07:55:16 pm
(http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa474/090bvb/image_zps2c6718ad.jpg) (http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/090bvb/media/image_zps2c6718ad.jpg.html)
Before the weekends outing.
Title: Re: Works replica, such a thing?
Post by: Tim754 on September 10, 2013, 08:37:44 pm
If it works and it's a replica....then..... :-X