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Clubroom => VMX Sidecars => Topic started by: shelpi on August 26, 2013, 11:55:59 am
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what would be the best donk for a Pre85 MX sidecar ??? me would like all boxs ticked- Readily available including parts
reliable
powerful
cost effective ( yer Im a cheap ass)
i.e what was the best open class Motocrosser in 1984? Rm, YZ, CR ...............? :P
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I'm not sure Shelpi, I've herd that the CR gearbox could be suspect, but I've ridden Nicks VMC quite a bit and it seems fine, at least you can get parts for them and lots of them, the 465 would be ok I imagine the RM, Dave Mattock had an RM sidecar for 20 years and it seemed to be ok....
They all make good power so would depend on set up with pipe carb fly wheel weights and all that sort of thing.....
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KTM 500 with a 495 piston gives you a 540cc engine. i rode a later model very grunty engine for an outfit
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Shelpi see Hoony's answer above ;) or there are my recommended big twin ,big bore Yamaha XS650 remakes , even one with a TX750 kit will get you ( both) from a to b on the track with joyful amounts of pants pooing terror for reasonable cost. cheers Tim754
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I'm not sure Shelpi, I've herd that the CR gearbox could be suspect, but I've ridden Nicks VMC quite a bit and it seems fine, at least you can get parts for them and lots of them, the 465 would be ok I imagine the RM, Dave Mattock had an RM sidecar for 20 years and it seemed to be ok....
They all make good power so would depend on set up with pipe carb fly wheel weights and all that sort of thing.....
It was chatting with Paul Robertson then Dave Mattock that got me thinking both have said good things plus I am a Suzuki 2smoke sort a guy :o So anyone got a RM 465, 500 Donk laying around ???
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Thanx Tim by the way that front wheel is still doing it all ;) :) :D ;D
KTM sounds good what sort of money are we talking and how tuff are they ;)
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DONK ;D......reminds me of my dear old dad, that's the term he used for anything with more than 3 moving parts :)
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DONK ;D......reminds me of my dear old dad, that's the term he used for anything with more than 3 moving parts :)
AHHH 2 nuts and 1 rod and or shaft :o woops sorry that was uncalled for :-X
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:) looking for a RM465 0r 500 donk in any condition ;)
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Hey Shelpi, how far is it to the airport from the track at Gillman???
If I come down could someone pick me up and deliver me back airport Sunday night????
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I think you can walk to the track Popeye, it's only 10mins from town.
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Shelpi a bit of info about a mistake I nearly made. When looking to build a pre85 lighterweight. ::). I sourced a pretty cheap LT 500 quadzilla engine, believing they came out in 84. Wrong production of those brutal power plants was from 85 till 90. The early RM 500 are kosher.
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10 mins. Good for Pre race training ya think???
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Yeah mate, just a quick warm up.....'cept those South Aussies would have been out for a 100k bike ride before breaky.
Sure a big 2 smoker is kosher for pre 85 but in the spirit of the sport the big twins were in their twylight then and they deserve to be preserved in that light. If we let an influx of lightweights into that class, all the big old girls will get parked in sheds and forgotten, just as they were back then....mark my words.
Best 'real' engines for the class are the 650+ twins and they come from a big range of makers......I know you like to think outside the square Shelpi, but for the for the good of the class, stick to them. They are fun to ride too.
I had a swing on a CR500 yesterday and found it was very easy to get around on , but by crickey, you had to be on your toes as I only had to imagine a different line and I could get it to change direction...prob set up way too soft for Echo Valley, so I prefer they older bikes for what we do.
If you want to go big 2 stroke/lightweight, go to a pre90. You'll have lots of cheap fun and step your way into moderns mutch more easily.
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XS 650 cc Precisely what I recommended earlier in this very same thread ;)
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Pile of shite Tim, too heavy and too old. very good for pre75 but unless you spend a pile on one to make it go, there are lots of options instead. You could make a Triumph go as well.
The GRM version is the best of them, but ask Wally what they're worth :D The GR650 we use is quicker and lighter (15kg)std and has all the fruit already fitted.
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Hey Shelpi, how far is it to the airport from the track at Gillman???
If I come down could someone pick me up and deliver me back airport Sunday night????
About 20 clicks as the crow flies and yes let me know ;) Im excited 8)
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Shelpi a bit of info about a mistake I nearly made. When looking to build a pre85 lighterweight. ::). I sourced a pretty cheap LT 500 quadzilla engine, believing they came out in 84. Wrong production of those brutal power plants was from 85 till 90. The early RM 500 are kosher.
thanx Tim, like ya thinking ;) oh and the T250 donk should be here midweek thanx again and may the motocycle Gods be willing ;)
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Yeah mate, just a quick warm up.....'cept those South Aussies would have been out for a 100k bike ride before breaky.
Sure a big 2 smoker is kosher for pre 85 but in the spirit of the sport the big twins were in their twylight then and they deserve to be preserved in that light. If we let an influx of lightweights into that class, all the big old girls will get parked in sheds and forgotten, just as they were back then....mark my words.
Best 'real' engines for the class are the 650+ twins and they come from a big range of makers......I know you like to think outside the square Shelpi, but for the for the good of the class, stick to them. They are fun to ride too.
I had a swing on a CR500 yesterday and found it was very easy to get around on , but by crickey, you had to be on your toes as I only had to imagine a different line and I could get it to change direction...prob set up way too soft for Echo Valley, so I prefer they older bikes for what we do.
If you want to go big 2 stroke/lightweight, go to a pre90. You'll have lots of cheap fun and step your way into moderns mutch more easily.
Yes you are right, was attempting a all rounder so it could do pre90 and B grade or road trial (cos they are mostly moderns) it would be great to have 1 of each but not easy being a peasant plus I fear divorce :P
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Sure a big 2 smoker is kosher for pre 85 but in the spirit of the sport the big twins were in their twylight then and they deserve to be preserved in that light. If we let an influx of lightweights into that class, all the big old girls will get parked in sheds and forgotten, just as they were back then....mark my words.
Best 'real' engines for the class are the 650+ twins and they come from a big range of makers......I know you like to think outside the square Shelpi, but for the for the good of the class, stick to them. They are fun to ride too.
That was a very good post EML 8)
yes, yes it was Wasp ;)
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XS 650 cc Precisely what I recommended earlier in this very same thread ;)
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what would be the best donk for a Pre85 MX sidecar ???
Zabel.
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Well in that case why not a water cooled 500 Maico engine with a Zabel or MTH big kit? The Maico engine would be one of the mechanically strongest and gruntiest of the 80's 500's which I'd assume would be just what a sidecar needs.
My fluck up....the '84 Maico is air cooled. Basically the same engine though. Forget the water cooled MTH or Zabel top ends and keep it stock, they're worldbeaters in stock trim. Suzuki water bottle would be a good choice of engine too.
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Well in that case why not a water cooled 500 Maico engine with a Zabel or MTH big kit? The Maico engine would be one of the mechanically strongest and gruntiest of the 80's 500's which I'd assume would be just what a sidecar needs.
:) ;) sounds good are there plenty around and whats the parts situation on availability and price ???
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Suzuki water bottle :D
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Scott ;)
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Scott ;)
1927 Scott clubman special watercooled twin 700cc ....neighbour has one in his shed.
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Scott ;)
1927 Scott clubman special watercooled twin 700cc ....neighbour has one in his shed.
:o lucky Bastard 8) just immajen doin a 21st centry on it, bit port work, some nice carbs, pvl........... :P woops
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Does Popeye know, his is costing a bomb to rebuild.
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Yes I'm very interested in your 540 Walter could PM me with the details or I can ring you for details.....
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My Wasp is 87 I think and will be raced as a Pre 90, Water cooled, single shock...
When was the first single shock sidecar made????
Wasp???
EML???
So yes I'm interested in your motor...
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what about a 510 husky 4 banger? they were a weapon :o
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:) go Popeye ;)
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The Hushy is a very good thing tough rare as. Mind you we have 4 or5 that race up here as solos but I think that might be Australias sum totla of them.
The pick in UK and cause of lots of angst, is the Rotax unit, 4 valves and light as fluck, and goes very well. Just read the Brit forums about 'em. They too put a stop to competitive big bangers making it to the tracks and with the flow-on rule they run with elec start et al...
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Already raceing 1 rare bird, so would like togo common as muck :)
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Already raceing 1 rare bird, so would like togo common as muck :)
VW make a 1200
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Already raceing 1 rare bird, so would like togo common as muck :)
VW make a 1200
:o ??? :P :-\
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My first Dirt Track had a VW1200 in it. Sounded like a BMW on steroids ;D.
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they put em in aircraft that says it all, isnt there something in the regs about not being able to use car donks :-\
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Hey guys, what can you tell me about the Maico/Zabel motors and what is the best place to source EML info ;) :)
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http://zabel-motor.com/en/home/ (in Sort of English)
http://www.zabel-racing.de/ ( in Dutch I think)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/MX-Zabel/306256496068274? (facebook drivel)
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http://zabel-motor.com/en/home/ (in Sort of English)
http://www.zabel-racing.de/ ( in Dutch I think)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/MX-Zabel/306256496068274? (facebook drivel)
Ahh Tim youve done it again ;) :) cheers mate
ahh is there ones that are in Australian as my english is nic so gute!