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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: FAT-TOY on July 12, 2013, 07:04:57 pm
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Good to see that we can at least trust that the Liberal politicians not to tell us lies, (or can we)
IT is set to be the year of the speed camera in NSW, with more of the despised devices rolled out than ever before.
Government tender documents show that, from this month, new cameras will be deployed, including 39 extra mobile speed cameras - with 2358 new mobile speed camera locations - and 6070 extra hours of enforcement per month.
By the end of 2014 there will also be 109 extra red light-speed cameras at intersections and 45 existing red light cameras will now also be capable of catching speeding motorists.
The state opposition will make significant mileage from the new cameras, particularly after vows when the Coalition was in opposition that it would reduce speed camera numbers.
There has been a 12.5 per cent increase in the number speeding fines issued during the Coalition's time in office.
"Barry O'Farrell, who once labeled speed cameras 'cash cows' is now increasing the number of speed cameras to a level never seen before in NSW," opposition roads spokesman Ryan Park said.
"The figures are staggering. More than 2000 new mobile speed camera locations and a doubling of red light cameras, on top of a massive 12.5 per cent increase in fines.
"In its first 12 months, the O'Farrell government doubled the revenue it received from mobile speed cameras but cut staff from the Centre for Road Safety and slashed funding to the road toll response unit.
"There is no justification for rolling out hundreds of new speed cameras and fining motorists millions more each year only to slash funding for road safety programs that help save lives."
Roads Minister Duncan Gay defended the rollout yesterday. He said the government had already introduced six mobile speed camera vehicles which had been operating for more than 940 enforcement hours and the program would be "progressively expanded to about 45 vehicles to deliver 7000 enforcement hours by July 2013".
"When speed comes down fatalities come down," he said.
And leading up to the last NSW election that lying shit Barry O'Farrell said that they would be cutting down the amount of revenue gathering devices that the Labour party had used to raise money.
Zane
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Standard Operational Procedures for politicians my friend. Might as well factor in a 46% rise in pay too...
What's the difference between a politician and a used babies nappy/diaper .... none both full of shit.
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Good to see that we can at least trust that the Liberal politicians not to tell us lies, (or can we)
IT is set to be the year of the speed camera in NSW, with more of the despised devices rolled out than ever before.
Government tender documents show that, from this month, new cameras will be deployed, including 39 extra mobile speed cameras - with 2358 new mobile speed camera locations - and 6070 extra hours of enforcement per month.
By the end of 2014 there will also be 109 extra red light-speed cameras at intersections and 45 existing red light cameras will now also be capable of catching speeding motorists.
The state opposition will make significant mileage from the new cameras, particularly after vows when the Coalition was in opposition that it would reduce speed camera numbers.
There has been a 12.5 per cent increase in the number speeding fines issued during the Coalition's time in office.
"Barry O'Farrell, who once labeled speed cameras 'cash cows' is now increasing the number of speed cameras to a level never seen before in NSW," opposition roads spokesman Ryan Park said.
"The figures are staggering. More than 2000 new mobile speed camera locations and a doubling of red light cameras, on top of a massive 12.5 per cent increase in fines.
"In its first 12 months, the O'Farrell government doubled the revenue it received from mobile speed cameras but cut staff from the Centre for Road Safety and slashed funding to the road toll response unit.
"There is no justification for rolling out hundreds of new speed cameras and fining motorists millions more each year only to slash funding for road safety programs that help save lives."
Roads Minister Duncan Gay defended the rollout yesterday. He said the government had already introduced six mobile speed camera vehicles which had been operating for more than 940 enforcement hours and the program would be "progressively expanded to about 45 vehicles to deliver 7000 enforcement hours by July 2013".
"When speed comes down fatalities come down," he said.
And leading up to the last NSW election that lying shit Barry O'Farrell said that they would be cutting down the amount of revenue gathering devices that the Labour party had used to raise money.
Zane
If you listened closely to what O'Farrell said before the election he said he was going to hold an inqury and find out if speed camera's were cash cows and he would rip out any that were found to be blatant revenue raising.
The old politicans axiom is "never hold an inqury unless you know what the outcome is going to be".
Surprise surprise the outcome of the inqury was that only 2 of NSW fixed speed camera's were revenue raisers the rest were legitimate tools in road toll reductions, conclusions were clear , where ever speed cameras are installed road toll reduces. The inqury went on to recommend increasing the amount of fixed and mobile speed cameras. Who ever would have ever though it?
Was anyone stupid enough to believe O'Farrell was ever going to even contemplate reducing the camera numbers?
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Politician = Liar, to think otherwise in any way is simply naive.......
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We have had a "blitz" of the shits in our work street. It has so far fined just about everyone from all the local businesses and enraged all. It is designed to reduce "rat running" on our quite busy side street. It is a dual carriage way wide enough for people to use to make up time, It is the perfect trap and I have even moved left to let a tailgater by ....so he could get a speeding fine.
Yesterday I went out to pick up a customers car and let 5 or so cars by,,,,they all would have gone 5 kays over at least!
MONEY FOR JAM.
When I was in Europe they were just new to Switzerland and truck drivers paid each other off to back over them. The most likely had them in France but since our bus was rego'd in Holland...I guess some Dutch bloke got lots of pics of the bus bursting its way to 65klm through some little village somewhere........Now there's a thought. Buy a car with interstate rego...and leave it that way.
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If everyone drove on the speed limit for one year, we could financially ruin the country.
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If everyone drove on the speed limit for one year, we could financially ruin the country.
I often wonder what would happen if that were the case, then the next year everyone drove along even slower, then next even slower etc
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They would then lower the speed limit.... :)
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They would then lower the speed limit.... :)
and if the roll toll was roughly the same "they" would have a hard time maintaining the "speed kills" mantra
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I'd like to know what the suggestions are to stop the morons like the ones I see every single day going way over the speed limit and not giving a shit about anyone else's safety? It makes me sick when I see these idiots go flying past to think my wife and kids are using the same roads as these wankers. Yes speed cameras aren't perfect as they stand, but what else is there? There's no way the public is going to fork out the money required to fund the extra police (visual) presence everyone thinks will solve the problem.
I got done on the way to work a few months back, Saturday morning, 6am, no-one else really on the road at that time, and only 8 k's over, but at the end of the day it was me driving the car so it was my fault and my fault only.
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It's all about saving lives , isn't it. Look at it another way if we had no road deaths ( which is not going to happen ) then they would have to reduce the number of red light & speed cameras. No that won't happen either as they are hooked on the revenue it raises.
So the only option is to not speed and run red light cameras ..... and see what else they can dream up in between to raise $$$$$$
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Your work truck does 68....that's impressive
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If speed kills then how come we have so many coppers still around ?
Here in Qld they had to sack heaps of them just to thin the numbers .
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Hey Ted, that's about 60k's faster than he rides his bikes. ;D
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How do you know i wasn't in a 40 zone? ;D
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How do you know i wasn't in a 40 zone? ;D
Saturday morning, 6 am......School zones aren't in force, ya dumb shit ::)
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Maybe I should have made the (unfortunately-required-so-that-stupid-pricks-know-it's-a-joke) smiley face a bit bigger?
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Yep, all liars. I still cannot understand how an unnamed ex prime minister can lie every day for three years and look into the camera every other day and smile as if he or she is doing a great job. Absolute psycho. More to be pitied than hated.
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There are plenty of "experts" who will claim that a zero road toll is realistic...
Untimely deaths are tragic and horrible - of course we all benefit from fewer of them - but anyone who claims that the road toll can be zero, is a dangerous fool.
The real answer is embarrassingly simple: proper driver training.
It worked to significantly reduce road rider crashes (and consequently deaths).
The trouble is that this costs money, whereas enforcement makes money.
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I got done on the way to work a few months back, Saturday morning, 6am, no-one else really on the road at that time, and only 8 k's over, but at the end of the day it was me driving the car so it was my fault and my fault only.
Well that is doing a real public service eh? 6 am and no one around. You're a mad man and they just saved your life. Sitting in a 40 zone when the kids are out is the sort of thing they should concentrate on.
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Does anybody ever consider the % of the road toll that could be put down to suicide......id imagine it accounts for some part of it but never ever gets put in the spotlight. I suppose that would just take vital numbers away from that all important "road toll" that pollies play on so abruptly to justify more of their pocket lining cameras!
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There are lots of reasons why people die in car accidents....and they never tell you all of them when talking about numbers.....mechanical failure (blown tyre, steering failure etc), poorly designed and maintained roads.....shit, how many times have you driven on a road and said to yourself "how the fark did they come up with that", and the great quality repairs they do on roads....definitely not 2013 technology...more like 1920's .....beggars belief.
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I got done on the way to work a few months back, Saturday morning, 6am, no-one else really on the road at that time, and only 8 k's over, but at the end of the day it was me driving the car so it was my fault and my fault only.
Well that is doing a real public service eh? 6 am and no one around. You're a mad man and they just saved your life. Sitting in a 40 zone when the kids are out is the sort of thing they should concentrate on.
Fark me, the 40 zone comment was a joke!!
My point is that I was speeding, and got caught. Not happy but my fault only.
Did you have any better options to stop people speeding?
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I think you read my post wrong. Doing 8 over with no traffic around is not saving lives.
On another note I believe a radar in a kids 40 zone is more appropriate for eg.
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I think you read my post wrong. Doing 8 over with no traffic around is not saving lives.
On another note I believe a radar in a kids 40 zone is more appropriate for eg.
I must have, but at the end of the day if I wasn't speeding I wouldn't have been fined.
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Interesting little fact.
More people die on the roads in both China and India each DAY than are killed in Aus in a year.
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Interesting little fact.
More people die on the roads in both China and India each DAY than are killed in Aus in a year.
Both having populations around 1.3 billion that fact has about as much relevance as the price of fish Afghanastan! :D
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What Nathan's post about driver training needs qualification.
I agree tha the level of basic driver training needs to be looked at.
However there are interesting facts around about the results of driver training courses, for instance you dont see much around these days about so called "Advanced driver"
courses.
These were encouraged by insurance companies until statistics started to turn up showing more accidents occuring with these 'graduates' than previuosly.
I attended two stages of these courses while in govt employment and found the most benefit to me was the stopping distance exercises. As a volunteer with the Rotary Clubs Driver Awarness Programme for school kids I observed that the participants also saw the benifits from this, as well as learning from presentations by survivors of road accident trauma.
My thoughts about an effective means of kerbing the road toll among young male drivers is the encouraging of organised motor sport. In my mad rev head younger days I noticed the more I participated in my chosen motor cycle sport with strong competition the better behaved I became on the road.
Another very worrying asspect of road accident statistic among the younger(and not so young) is as was also aluded to here somewhere was depression and the sometimes tragic results of 'the black dog'.
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Interesting little fact.
More people die on the roads in both China and India each DAY than are killed in Aus in a year.
Both having populations around 1.3 billion that fact has about as much relevance as the price of fish Afghanastan! :D
So it's not individual deaths that are the problem but deaths per head of population.
If that's the case then it should be safe to raise the speed limit around where I live as we have less deaths per head than say Sydney or Brisbane.
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How's this for a School Zone money rort. Around the corner from me is Whalan High School which was closed down a few years ago due to high asbestos count problems. The 40kph school zone was still in force for over a year after the school closed down and even I got nailed one day when my brain was turned off. I went to Mt Druitt police station to complain and the desk sergeant just shook his head and went into a "cash cow" anti RTA rant but in the end he told me that there was little he could do to help but told me to write to the RTA "and see what happens". I wrote the RTA a letter explaining the situation and I got the standard form letter back telling that they were aware of the situation but because the 40 zone was still legally in place and that I'd broken the designated 40kph speed limit by 8kph (same as Mainline) I was still obliged to pay the fine. Despite newspaper, TV and radio attention the 40kph school zone was in force for at least another 12 months before they finally got around to removing it. I wonder how much money was made out of that little "cash cow" before they took it away?
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Im with pancho, the stopping distance and thinking braking techniques have saved me heaps since attending a brock murcott school.
I took the new 18 y/o hoon from work in his v8 ute along (he seriously fancied himself behind the wheel)
in the first exercise he destroyed a Lamborghini and a roller (that's what they call the traffic cones) by the end of the day he could stop that old HZ ute quicker than the abs commo fords the execs had.
His attitude changed dramatically and his tyre life increased enormously so a usefull exercise. he just spent a fortune at the go karts :D and was quick in them as well.
I believe its the attitude that needs focus... Two things change a persons persona ...a gun and a car.
New drivers need to be educated more about the attitude to driving... its not right of passage ala sex, guns and beer.. its a method of conveyance... f*ck it up and you or worse, others die or worse again, are permanently maimed.
All of us here reading this are the lucky ones... we got through ourselves. its so easy to pick the p platers now as they are always 15 k's faster than everyone else.
I remember when I was on p's, everyone drove 15k's to slow!!
figure it out.
there was a great program on road toll in the US and they thought the roads were the issue so massive road building... more people died. Must be the cars were crook so belt t he manufacturers to improve safety...people felt safer and drove faster .. even more people died.
Driver training that's it ... they studied 20 top racing drivers .... They had more stax than anyone else!!
Speed? 55 miles per hour
That did the trick.
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What Nathan's post about driver training needs qualification.
I agree tha the level of basic driver training needs to be looked at.
However there are interesting facts around about the results of driver training courses, for instance you dont see much around these days about so called "Advanced driver"
courses.
These were encouraged by insurance companies until statistics started to turn up showing more accidents occuring with these 'graduates' than previuosly.
I attended two stages of these courses while in govt employment and found the most benefit to me was the stopping distance exercises. As a volunteer with the Rotary Clubs Driver Awarness Programme for school kids I observed that the participants also saw the benifits from this, as well as learning from presentations by survivors of road accident trauma.
My thoughts about an effective means of kerbing the road toll among young male drivers is the encouraging of organised motor sport. In my mad rev head younger days I noticed the more I participated in my chosen motor cycle sport with strong competition the better behaved I became on the road.
Another very worrying asspect of road accident statistic among the younger(and not so young) is as was also aluded to here somewhere was depression and the sometimes tragic results of 'the black dog'.
Oh yeah. I specifically referenced the Motor cyclist Learner courses, because they've been proven to be very effective.
I've clocked over nearly half a million kays in the last two decades, without so much as a car park dent [*touches wood*]. I reckon this puts me somewhere in a very low risk group...
1. Just before I got my Ls a workmate crashed and killed his GF (and very nearly killed himself). Watching the way that unfolded was a big eye-opener. Before the crash, He'd been boasting to my mum about driving like a forkwit, and she warned him of the dangers - his reply was "it won't happen to me"... He was obviously proven wrong in the most dramatic possible way. It was a demonstration that even a 15yo couldn't ignore...
2. Active participation in motorsport has three main advantages:
a) it makes hooning on the road seem slow, dangerous and pointless;
b) it improves your understanding of vehicle dynamics and spacial awareness;
c) It ensures you recognise driving is a skill, and you will seek to increase your skill level.
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Also helps your attitude in that "I don't have to show every 14 y/o school kid im hotstuff" as im last on the race track and obviously need to learn a lot....
But plenty of budding racers have lost it playing up in the car / bike on the public forum
don't forget that males under 25's have no real mental capacity to assess risk and consequences ..they only learn from mistakes...if they die, they don't get another chance....
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Your last line there John is very sucinct.
cheers
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its the bottom line Pancho... weve all been there but made the lucky choices wether by good luck or inbuilt "natural selection" common sense.... unfortunately government policy and baby bonuses seem to be breeding more of the darwin award winners... :o