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Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: jimg1au on July 01, 2013, 08:21:01 pm
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8. CLASSES OF COMPETITION: DESCRIPTION PRIZE MONEY TOTAL
Premier Classes
1st 2nd 3rd
1) KTM KING OF NEPEAN Unlimited Senior Solo Motorcycles (no slider machines) $1500 $750 $350 $2600
2) SIDECAR Unlimited Sidecars $1200 $600 $300 $2100
3) MOTO SPRINT SPEEDWAY SOLO Speedway Machines only $1200 $600 $300 $2100
4) PRINCE OF NEPEAN Junior 13yrs to u16yrs (150 2st/250 4st) Trophies and prizes
5) PRO 250 100cc to 150cc 2st & 200cc to 250cc 4st $300 $150 $75 $425
6) PRO 450 250cc 2st & 450cc 4st $300 $150 $75 $425
7) PRO Open Unlimited capacity including Sliders $300 $150 $75 $425
8) QUADs Unlimited Unlimited capacity Quad machines $300 $150 $75 $425
Junior Support Classes
9) Junior 85cc 2st & up to 150cc 4st 9yrs to u13yrs Trophies and prizes
10) Junior 65cc 2st and up to 110cc 4st 7yrs to u11yrs Trophies and prizes
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Words fail me !
Riders should vote with their feet and walk away from this event.
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Me too, EA and I won't be coming down now, we were lookin' forward to it, but ya can watch chookies goin' round and round any old meeting !
BUGGER
Foss
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Disappointing comments from 2 guy's who should know better.
The classes offered have been dictated by all the governing bodies and a bunch of confusing rules, those who actually got off their arses and tried to help organise this event have done their absolute best.
Forget all the political bullshit, the KON is the Jewel in the crown for Nepean and should see all member clubs on deck to help make it a success despite their own agenda but that aint happened, ask yourself why?
What really pisses me off is that certain people are taking great joy in seeing a fantastic and positive intiative fail, all because of a clash of personalities.
Actually it hasn't totally failed, just altered.
Suck it up and look to the future you bloody fools.
As I've said before, I've put my hand up to be a delegate on the NMSC but given what's gone on this last year I don't want a bar of it now, I'll leave it up to you guy's to make your own decision on who's responsible for the current state of war between the clubs and personalities.
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Have I missed something here? I wasn't aware of any of this "clash of personalities" or any hints of dissent. What's the big problem?
As a former Nepean delegate I do understand your frustration there though Steve.
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A sponsor came forward for a Slider only class, Halelujah.
Rules on number or brakes and the size of track to be used put up more hurdles than could be overcome, hence a Speedway bike only event.
Those who actually tried to make the Slider class happen did their best and certain people who sat back and watched took great delite in seeing it fail.
We should all want to see every bloody event held at Nepean be an out & out success, despit our personal preferences or disagreements.
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Oh yeah ......the missing 40 metres of track? I recall somebody telling me now.
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A sponsor came forward for a Slider only class, Halelujah.
Rules on number or brakes and the size of track to be used put up more hurdles than could be overcome, hence a Speedway bike only event.
Those who actually tried to make the Slider class happen did their best and certain people who sat back and watched took great delite in seeing it fail.
We should all want to see every bloody event held at Nepean be an out & out success, despit our personal preferences or disagreements.
Steve I know you're passionate about the sport but FFS!
The bottom line here is that the track that was to be used for the slider class failed to be re-licenced because it didn't meet the track guidelines in regards to its length. The reason this track was to be used is because there is a belief by certain members of the race organising committee that the two brake rule would result in insufficient numbers entering. This by the way is not a view held by myself and at least one other delegate.
As to your earlier post.
I know you have not been at any meetings for quite a while but I can tell you that your views are ill-informed. While yes there was a clash of personalities between two out of the twelve delegates that issue has been dealt with and the committee is working together to not only promote the KON but also deal with the myriad of issues that face the venues future. I assure you that there is no "current state of war between the clubs" and I think that by you making this reckless claim only serves to perpetuate this myth.
Don't believe me?
The next NMSC meeting is on Monday 8 July, 7.30pm at Smithfield RSL. Come and see for yourself. Attend the meeting as a guest we are in the auditorium so space is not an issue ;D If you come along and see anything you don't like go ahead and post your views here. Until then though please consider the damage you are doing by spreading information that is blatantly incorrect.
Cheers
Shaun
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all i what to know is you can have sliders in the pro open unlimited but not the kon unlimited on the same weekend
jim
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Point taken, you're a lot closer to things than me Shaun, apologies to all.
To me there seems to be certain joy taken in seeing some initiatives fail.
That's the last I'll comment on NMSC.
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Looking foward to the answer on that one Jim ???
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I too don't understand the logic in this. The argument that sliders and chookies shouldn't race together for safety reasons seems to not be the issue.
I will ask the question at the meeting on Monday night and let you know what the race organising committee has to say.
Cheers
Shaun
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all i what to know is you can have sliders in the pro open unlimited but not the kon unlimited on the same weekend
jim
Me too, Jim. If the Sliders were contesting the main event, the KTM KON, we would still come down, some of the best races we've seen were between Sliders and Chookies, the slider didn't always win, either.
Foss
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Sub Regs are out and i don`t think you will get the sliders in the KON event. but tell me why cancel the sliders altogther when they could run on the big track remember that this is a dirt track meet not a longtrack event.
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i dont know about you micks but in 1975 at nepean i was riding hagons they are NOT longtrack bikes i have one of them now as well as 2 antigs and the home made pre60 slider my brother jap454 built and rode at nepean.he was even on the front cover of the spokesman in 1971 riding it. i rode hagons till 1980 at nepean and other nsw tracks.the track hasent changed that much since then to me.
jim
454
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I assumed that sliders would have the right to enter and hopefully be entering in the king of Nepean feature event on the basis that they are a motorcycle with two wheels with brakes on each wheel the same as any other machine entered.
I also expected that there may be a support event for sliders only, but not necessarily on the 'normal dirt track' ( short circuit) track.
If there are any entrants on slider type machines excluded from the K O N I will be annoyed at such stupidity and I will not assist at the meeting, and I will not support it in any way. However I doubt if this will be the case.
Cheers pancho.
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I've already gone off half cocked (yet again) Wally and wished I hadn't.
Lets wait and see what the reasoning is behind the exclusion of Sliders from the actual KON races.
I think they might have been left out of the original application because of the pending introduction of a stand alone class for Sliders, that fell over because of numerous reasons that gumby's like me can't totally understand.
I think it's great that there will at least be a Speedway class because it will give the public a good look at everything Nepean has to offer.
Don't forget there was only one Slider entered last year.
Where's that humble pie.
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Stay cool slides, you are an asset to Nepean that we need.
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yeah,chill dude ;D, :P
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;) 8)
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what pancho your not going to stand at the pit gate all day.nepean had you roostered on the to clean the toilets this year.
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all i what to know is you can have sliders in the pro open unlimited but not the kon unlimited on the same weekend
jim
Me too, Jim. If the Sliders were contesting the main event, the KTM KON, we would still come down, some of the best races we've seen were between Sliders and Chookies, the slider didn't always win, either.
Foss
As an OLD chookie racer, I can't believe what I am reading here.......Sliders and Chookies should both be contesting the KON !!! >:( >:(
The best Short Circuit meeting I was ever involved in contained Sliders and Chookies..........and WON by a Very famous CHOOKIE......Australian Short Circuit Title at Kempsey, 1978......Sliders never worried Gally !! ;D ;D
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Got it in one, Alvin !! bring back the battles !! I don't care who or what wins.
Foss
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what pancho your not going to stand at the pit gate all day.nepean had you roostered on the to clean the toilets this year.
No Micks, I don't think I'll miss running around the car park all day trying to stop people in GTs getting bogged. ::)
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Well I asked the question on Monday night but I'm afraid I didn't really understand the answer.
The head of the race organising committee said that the committee felt that after last years meeting there was "ill feeling" about there being only one slider entered. He also stated that he believes that due to the different lines taken by the different styles of bikes that one group didn't like the other included but he couldn't recall which group was unhappy ??? When I asked why then sliders were being permitted in the unlimited class he stated that he thought that was not supposed to be the case and that the supp regs were supposed to be changed ???
So as far as I can tell sliders are out.
Having said that, it will be a great meeting with a parade of legends featuring some of the greats of yesteryear (some on sliders I guess) as well as a stars race with, confirmed riders at this stage, such as Troy Bayliss and Gary McCoy. I've also been told we will see "the best speedway riders in Australia" there. I wouldn't expect to see Darcy and CH there though ;) Along with the fastest riders in the KoN races it will be an event not to be missed by the Dirt Track fan.
Cheers
Shaun
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If somebody doesn't do something to revive the slider in both vintage and modern dirt track the category will disappear. I understand that it's a catch 22 situation.....organisers are hesitant to include them on a program through previous lack of support and the 'true believers' with sliders who have supported meetings in the past are being penalised by the class no longer being included. I repeat it again.......there's a lot of talk about the demise of the slider on dirt track programs but talk is cheap. Complaining on forums and facebook isn't going to do diddley squat. What's needed is a concerted campaign to get the slider back up where it belongs by those with a stake in that facet of the sport. First up there has to be a recruitment program to drag as many upright sliders out of the lounge rooms of suburbia. There are a shitload of decent bikes and owners out there who, for various reasons have become disillusioned with the sport. A few have gone over to chookies or American style flat trackers while others are just plain staying away.
It's no good sitting around waiting for good ol' "somebody else" to do something. It's time for someone or some group of guys to start the ball rolling. The first thing I'd be doing is to try and drag up as many upright and 2v sliders for the August Nepean Charity meeting. It's also time for members of BWP, St George and Penrith to lobby their clubs to get them to include them in future promotions. There's a lot of 'friends' and lurkers on Steve Askew's classic dirt track facebook page and the sister forum to this for modern dirt track and other social media outlets so it'd be a positive idea to use those outlets to call for slider riders to get off their collective arses. I'm a bit tired of hearing the doom and gloom in relation to sliders and disappointed that nothing is being done to right the situation.
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thanks shaun for the reply as you said you would do.
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Spot on Firko
I forgot to mention in my post that the race organising committee actually believes that the King of Nepean should showcase sliders as the premier class.
The demise of sliders can be put down to the ever increasing decline in participants entering the event.
It's too late for KoN this year but I believe all it would take is 12 entrants to make a commitment to the event and we would see them back. Most likely a pipe dream on my part. When you consider that there was not even 1 slider enter at the recently held Australian Dirt Track Titles I think it shows that the class, on a modern level at least, may already be dead :(
So as Firko points out. It is up to those that own the uprights to get regularly involved and rekindle some interest in the vintage classes. Hopefully then we may see some more modern machinery come out to club days to push for inclusion of a pre '90 class or similar.
Cheers
Shaun
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I'm speaking out of school , BUT, do we think that access might have a lot to do with declining numbers?? A type of machine that can only really be ridden at a purpose built circuit does make it hard for the average punter to get an opportunity to try riding one, unlike other bikes they're not the sort of things you can drag out of the shed and take up and down the street... Maybe some "come and try" days are In order to be organized by folks with the bikes and the knowledge, I'd love to give everyone the opportunity to see my gumby, uncoordinated backside on a slider and would enjoy any chance to do so, I don't think id be alone either.
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You make a good point Brendan, sliders are indeed a very purpose built bike that's restricted by not being able to be used for anything other than what it was designed for. Unless you know somebody with a slider I imagine it'd be hard to get a ride on one to get the feel of what they're like, it's hard to imagine taking one down to the local paddock for a fang. They're distinctly different from just about every other form of motorcycling both in riding style and the construction of the bike itself which brings me to another reason for the decline in the slider......brand identification.
In this brand name obsessed world many of us become aligned with one particular brand of car, bike or even beer and we often become quite tribal about it. For example, it's so easy for young Tommy to become a Honda guy when he sees Honda bikes on the road, on TV motocross, freestyle or supercross and in advertising all over the media. The bikes are easy to tell apart from their Yamaha/Suzuki/Kawasaki/KTM opposition and it's a breeze to recognise the individual models, even from a distance. Best of all though is that they're cheap enough for Dad to buy young Tommy's first bike, a CR85 or 100, and simple for him to learn to ride at the local ride area. On the other end of the scale the speedway or dirt track slider is a pretty anonymous looking bike made by small companies like Jawa, Godden and GM, are never advertised in the mass media, making them pretty hard to earn brand identity brownie points when they all look pretty much the same. They're not products that can be easily sold to the public via mass media advertising. There's no multinational brand identification and loyalty factor and most importantly, they're extremely difficult to learn to ride without tutoring. The slider has unfortunately become identified as being a hang over from another era, like smoking rolly's, women wearing hats and contested rugby league scrums.
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i am building 2 to ride on club days sick of riding with pre90 bikes
will take 2 sliders and 1 750 triumph to club days next year
250 antig
500 bellini
both longtrackers with brakes
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Don't forget our drag races next year Jimmy.....your Trumpy 750 v my Yamaha 750 and your little Champion Elsinore v my Cycle Factory Yamaha. The loser wins a kiss from Jade. :P
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I'm speaking out of school , BUT, do we think that access might have a lot to do with declining numbers?? A type of machine that can only really be ridden at a purpose built circuit does make it hard for the average punter to get an opportunity to try riding one, unlike other bikes they're not the sort of things you can drag out of the shed and take up and down the street... Maybe some "come and try" days are In order to be organized by folks with the bikes and the knowledge, I'd love to give everyone the opportunity to see my gumby, uncoordinated backside on a slider and would enjoy any chance to do so, I don't think id be alone either.
I think these are all valid points.
When sliders first appeared on the short circuit (dt) scene they were immediately taken up by the upper echalon of riders because they had two big advantages over the then current crop of race winning duplex Beezas Triumphs and JAP engines in everything from rigid 3T Triumph frames to duplex BSA.
The advantages that I saw were better power to weight ratio and superior steering and handling in a slide.
In those days the better ones were fitted with the best performing power available, JAP, ESSO JAWA.
It seems to me that the modern motorcross/trail machines have become so improved in power and handling where as there has been none of the machines like the modern long track coming out to the dirt track events.
Could it be that the don't know how to go 'round a right hander? Chicken??
There has been a few of the up'n comers fronting up on slider type machines powered with engines that fit the mould of 'recognisable brand'as mentioned above mainly on 250s,
If some machines turned up with modern Yamaha , Honda etc larger power plants say 450s it could become very interesting.
pancho
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How would it go if flat trackers were put in with the sliders at those meetings where sliders are on there own?
Just a thought.
Cheers pancho.
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Unless you've got Jade's number Mark, she won't be available as Trophy Girl?
I am a bit reluctant to comment because I've already made a fool of myself on this topic, but I will.
There are a number of factors at play as I see/hear it.
At the end of the day I really want the KON to be an outstanding success as do we all.
Are there enough riders suitably qualified to really showcase Sliders to the public?
Sliders are the hardest motorcycle to ride ever built, you can't ride one at half throttle, well you can but it looks ugly which is why I haven't tried for 30 years.
In 2013 Nepean isn't just a DT venue.
If we really want to showcase the joint and increase it's life expectancy then we have to move ahead.
The Speedway part of the program will be awesome to see on the same weekend as the best Dirttrackers in the country.
Quads this year, maybe even Karts next year?
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I'm speaking out of school , BUT, do we think that access might have a lot to do with declining numbers?? A type of machine that can only really be ridden at a purpose built circuit does make it hard for the average punter to get an opportunity to try riding one, unlike other bikes they're not the sort of things you can drag out of the shed and take up and down the street... Maybe some "come and try" days are In order to be organized by folks with the bikes and the knowledge, I'd love to give everyone the opportunity to see my gumby, uncoordinated backside on a slider and would enjoy any chance to do so, I don't think id be alone either.
I have never ridden one, and would love to give it a go!!!
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Send your entries in for the Charity meeting, if numbers are there I'm sure there'll be a class.
Not sure if you'll do 25 laps on one.