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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: bazza on January 27, 2013, 04:24:55 pm
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Any news on the much awaited frames?
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I miss his childish enthusiasm. ::) That project had as much chance of happening as I had of winning the Tour de France on my old Malvern Star fixie.
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I would pay to see that firko ;D
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I have a suspicion that Firko may have enough residual recreational drugs still circulating his system so as to preclude his entry to the TDF ;D
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It was never going to happen.. The quality would've been crap anyway, nothing like the real thing.
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I have a suspicion that Firko may have enough residual recreational drugs still circulating his system so as to preclude his entry to the TDF ;D
ROFL ;D
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Any news on the much awaited frames?
It's been 16 months since cheapracer was last on this forum.. that should answer the question.
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I have a suspicion that Firko may have enough residual recreational drugs still circulating his system so as to preclude his entry to the TDF ;D
ROFL ;D
is that
Rolling On Floor Laughing
or
Right Old Fashion Lad
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I have a suspicion that Firko may have enough residual recreational drugs still circulating his system so as to preclude his entry to the TDF ;D
ROFL ;D
Rolling On Floor Laughing - THIS ONE ;D
:)
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My kids call me ROFL.....They say it means Rooted Old F*****g Lunatic....I think they are being facetious. >:(
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Sometimes you have to smile and be greatfull for the eclectic brunch of people VMX attracts, Beckman being one of them.
I'm always greatfull too him for the dry accommodation he once gave me in the 90's when the local tack flooded but at the same time dismade at his pre 65 protest nonsense that hurt our sport and never ask Vern Grayson opinion of him unless you have 7 hours to spare.
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Do not, repeat do not, underestimate what the chinese can build. You will do so at your own peril!
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Do not, repeat do not, underestimate what the chinese can build. You will do so at your own peril!
I totally agree but we're not really talking about the Chinese here, we're talking about Mark Beckman. ::)
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EML you are right! Look at Korea the Hyunai and Kia are coming on very fast
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I don't know about Chinese stuff being good.
Having worked on Chinese Quads/Thumpsters and those poxy push bike engines I rekon that the safest place to be in WW3 would be anywhere but China , if they have used the same quality control on their nukes.
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I don't know about Chinese stuff being good.
Having worked on Chinese Quads/Thumpsters and those poxy push bike engines I rekon that the safest place to be in WW3 would be anywhere but China , if they have used the same quality control on their nukes.
I couldn't agree more, I'm yet to see anything motorcycle related made by the Chinese that is good quality. I've worked on many and they're all cheaply made with low grade metal and nowhere near the standard of the Japanese.
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I don't know about Chinese stuff being good.
Having worked on Chinese Quads/Thumpsters and those poxy push bike engines I rekon that the safest place to be in WW3 would be anywhere but China , if they have used the same quality control on their nukes.
I couldn't agree more, I'm yet to see anything motorcycle related made by the Chinese that is good quality. I've worked on many and they're all cheaply made with low grade metal and nowhere near the standard of the Japanese.
Dont think that is the best they can do you clowns. Those quads and minis are made to order at a price. Most of the good stuff in jap cars and bikes has been out sourced to china for years and alot of Harley and Triumph too most likely
And dont think you will win a war against them for exactly the same reason.
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The Chinese will build to whatever price/standard you request.
The BMW range of 650 singles has been assembled in Chine since '09 and probably completely made there by now (under licence to ROTAX)
China now has some of the worlds larges and most advanced machining facilities
The Chinese have been leading the world in commisioning large coal fired generating unit which are large than the largest units in Australia for well over a decade. At one point commissioning a generating unit every two weeks or so. NSW's last large (>500MW) generating unit was commissioned in the '80s!!!
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if they have used the same quality control on their nukes.
Read the disclamer before you gob on.
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This old China v Quality discussion pops up from time to time and I'll agree and disagree with most of the arguments. The complete bikes and quads are a little short on the quality but they're getting better. We've got one of those three quarter sized 115cc quads down on the farm and in the 7 or 8 years we've had it it's been pretty unbreakable, the only problems being the odd broken cable and bent rims. The motor still has its original spark plug. The aftermarket stuff available for pitbikes is in many cases good stuff. I've mentioned the stainless steel fatty footpegs before..... the pegs we pay $100+ for at the respectable motorcycle retail outlets are the exact same items that come from the exact same factories as the elCheapo pit bike items sold on eBay for under $30. A good mate of mine has been to the factory in Chengdu and seen the pegs going into name brand packaging for the Western market. Don't get sucked in by fancy "made in USA" packaging.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/KGrHqFgsFCYKe8KdBQrBOczQuw60_12.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/T2eC16RwsE9suwydrRBQDlpZTp4w60_3.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-Steel-Foot-Pegs-for-Honda-CRF-50-70-90-pit-dirt-bike-CRF-50-70-90-/160955402962?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2579b08ad2
I'm a bit of a throttle junkie...I've got Magura (3 different types) Gunnar Gasser (the real ones, not the Chines copies), Doherty, Amal and more but the best quality throttle I've ever seen are the billet aluminium ones sold on eBay for $30 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-Color-CNC-THROTTLE-CLAMP-for-7-8-CRF-50-XR50-PIT-DIRT-BIKE-CRF-70-1-4-turn-/150976825047?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2326eb86d7 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-Color-CNC-THROTTLE-CLAMP-for-7-8-CRF-50-XR50-PIT-DIRT-BIKE-CRF-70-1-4-turn-/150976825047?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2326eb86d7)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/throtlle3.jpg)
Every part bar the see through top is made of billet alloy and runs on ball bearings. I've got them on my IT250, Sherco and both flat trackers. I'd have 'em on my vintage motocrossers too but they look a tad too modern/bling for pre 75. I also use the chain guides shown below. They're as cheap as chips and are pretty good quality. A mate's had one on his (reasonably)modern bike for 3 years and over Christmas I noticed it still there in good working nick .
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/chainguide.jpg)
Sure, the "Cholins" Ohlins copy shocks are crap but why not use 'em for dirt track. There was a set of base model Gazi shocks on the DT1 I got from Nathan and he reckoned they were fine, if a little short on travel. They're made in China folks. The point I'm making is that disregarding a part simply because it's made in China can cost you money. I build a lot of bikes on a self funded retiree budget and if I didn't dig out these bargains from Asia my builds would cost appreciably more. Don't overlook seat covers and handlebars from Thailand, Handlebars and all sorts off goodies from the Royal Enfield factory in India and other left field sellers in faraway lands.
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Anything in big numbers will be Chinese . Part of it is low wages
A bit like Thailand eh Walter ;D
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Unless you call Thailand "China" Mark, GAZI are made entirely in Thailand as are YSS I beleive though they both/all may source seals etc... from the mainland.
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The Chinese have painted themselves into the same corner as the Koreans did in the late 90s, high company debt, low sales price in comparison to the cost of producing a quality product. The market is demanding better products of the Chinese, labour costs are increasing but once you penetrate the market at a low price level it is hard to drive it back up.
I sell a bunch of Chinese products at the moment that are way above the pit bikes, quads etc that flooded in 10 years ago in quality. As mentioned by Firko, I wouldn't judge the Chinese productrs by those that were produced as glorified toys, have a look on Alibaba.com to see what is really available in high tech electronuic and industrial products.
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I have engineering gear made in Taiwan and it's pretty good stuff.
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Dont think that is the best they can do you clowns. Those quads and minis are made to order at a price. Most of the good stuff in jap cars and bikes has been out sourced to china for years and alot of Harley and Triumph too most likely
And dont think you will win a war against them for exactly the same reason.
I'm not talking about the junksters and quads.. While working at Husqvarna in 2009 we had the exhausts and head stay brackets on the CR125's break all the time in the first couple of rides on pretty much every 125 sold, it was a warranty nightmare. Where were those parts made? China!!
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I think the material was the problem, the bike was the same as the year before and had no problems until outsourcing the making of certain parts to a different country.
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Not trying to crearte an argument and concern for a fellow forum member.
Stop it, my sides are starting to hurt.
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It's been politely pointed out to me that my provoking of you isn't in the best interests of the forum and the majority of good people who use it so I heaby apologise and will from now on resist the urge to stand up for what I believe is right, even though Freedom is being able to say what others don't like.
Anyway you're doing a good enough job on your own of proving your character type, you really don't need my help.
Back to the topic, if these frames surface I'm still interested.
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EML you are right! Look at Korea the Hyunai and Kia are coming on very fast
Hell yes they just about keep us in business ;D ;D ;D
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so long as there's a westerner, Japanese or Taiwanese boss standing and watching over their shoulders, the Chinese can build quality products. but turn your back for 10 minutes and the Chinese will be shovelling sand into the plastic injection moulds and melamine into the baby powder ::)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/9250438/Pills-filled-with-powdered-human-baby-flesh-found-by-customs-officials.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/9250438/Pills-filled-with-powdered-human-baby-flesh-found-by-customs-officials.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal)
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I have to agree with that one . So true . But that is one man and not the whole nation .
it's just not one man, it's the county's ethical standards.
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And how do you tell them apart?
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And how do you tell them apart?
you stand over his shoulder and watch... otherwise you've got no chance :D
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They grow food in the next paddock to effluent facilities. They have no morals. When you watch airport security, who are the majority that try to buck the system and plead ignorant? I reckon 80% Asians. They are always going out of their way to do the wrong thing.
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That's because they're thinking it means Affluent.
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That's because they're thinking it means Affluent.
:D :D :D :D :D
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Back to the subject and away from racial stereotyping for a sec.....
Unless you call Thailand "China" Mark, GAZI are made entirely in Thailand as are YSS I beleive though they both/all may source seals etc... from the mainland.
My apologies to Gazi and Walter, I got a little confused when I saw these Chinese units for sale on eBay for $88+shipping and when I compared them to the Gazi shocks on my bike found that they were absolutely identical. It seems the Chinese must be ripping off their Thai opposition. Who'd have thought? ::)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/KGrHqFlUFTp5wyEVBQOqKh8jw60_3-1_zps798f4164.jpg)
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I bought a choho chain for my bike (89 rmx 250) been out so far for 3 rides and I flog the guts out of my bike at around 6 hours each ride and the chain hasn't started to stretch.Compared to other name brand chains I've had on other bikes mostly 125's that need adjusting every ride.Paid $50 for the chinese choho compared to other big name ones at over twice the price I think it holds up quite well so far.
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Hey Firko,I have a question about the billet throttle pictured. Have you used one on a 38mm carby and if so was the action 1/4 turn. I bougt a cheap plastic throttle once and it was to much movement to get full throttle. To much on the wrist when riding had to lower elbow to get full throttle. They look the goods but I don't want to waste my $30.
Thanks Neil
This old China v Quality discussion pops up from time to time and I'll agree and disagree with most of the arguments. The complete bikes and quads are a little short on the quality but they're getting better. We've got one of those three quarter sized 115cc quads down on the farm and in the 7 or 8 years we've had it it's been pretty unbreakable, the only problems being the odd broken cable and bent rims. The motor still has its original spark plug. The aftermarket stuff available for pitbikes is in many cases good stuff. I've mentioned the stainless steel fatty footpegs before..... the pegs we pay $100+ for at the respectable motorcycle retail outlets are the exact same items that come from the exact same factories as the elCheapo pit bike items sold on eBay for under $30. A good mate of mine has been to the factory in Chengdu and seen the pegs going into name brand packaging for the Western market. Don't get sucked in by fancy "made in USA" packaging.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/KGrHqFgsFCYKe8KdBQrBOczQuw60_12.jpg)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/T2eC16RwsE9suwydrRBQDlpZTp4w60_3.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stainless-Steel-Foot-Pegs-for-Honda-CRF-50-70-90-pit-dirt-bike-CRF-50-70-90-/160955402962?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2579b08ad2
I'm a bit of a throttle junkie...I've got Magura (3 different types) Gunnar Gasser (the real ones, not the Chines copies), Doherty, Amal and more but the best quality throttle I've ever seen are the billet aluminium ones sold on eBay for $30 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-Color-CNC-THROTTLE-CLAMP-for-7-8-CRF-50-XR50-PIT-DIRT-BIKE-CRF-70-1-4-turn-/150976825047?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2326eb86d7 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gold-Color-CNC-THROTTLE-CLAMP-for-7-8-CRF-50-XR50-PIT-DIRT-BIKE-CRF-70-1-4-turn-/150976825047?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2326eb86d7)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/throtlle3.jpg)
Every part bar the see through top is made of billet alloy and runs on ball bearings. I've got them on my IT250, Sherco and both flat trackers. I'd have 'em on my vintage motocrossers too but they look a tad too modern/bling for pre 75. I also use the chain guides shown below. They're as cheap as chips and are pretty good quality. A mate's had one on his (reasonably)modern bike for 3 years and over Christmas I noticed it still there in good working nick .
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/chainguide.jpg)
Sure, the "Cholins" Ohlins copy shocks are crap but why not use 'em for dirt track. There was a set of base model Gazi shocks on the DT1 I got from Nathan and he reckoned they were fine, if a little short on travel. They're made in China folks. The point I'm making is that disregarding a part simply because it's made in China can cost you money. I build a lot of bikes on a self funded retiree budget and if I didn't dig out these bargains from Asia my builds would cost appreciably more. Don't overlook seat covers and handlebars from Thailand, Handlebars and all sorts off goodies from the Royal Enfield factory in India and other left field sellers in faraway lands.
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No Neil, I haven't had the opportunity to use one on a 38mm carb but it works fine on a similar body 36 Mikuni and a Bing with no problem. They're a proper 1/4 turn, and actually are a simlar design to the Gunnar Gasser style but all billet. You might find that the cable adjuster is a different thread to that on your cable though, I've found two different thread ends on the three I've got. For some reason the adjuster doesn't come with the throttle.
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Thanks Mark, I will give one a go.
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With talk of how shitty Chinese bikes are, has anybody checked out one of these CF Moto 650's? I was next to one in traffic the other day and if looks have anything to do with it it's a winner. When I got home I Googled them to find out a bit about them...my first surprise being that it's made in China, the second being how up spec the thing is. Look at the spec sheet below and you wouldn't be blamed for thinking it's a Euro or Japanese sporty 650. I then read the following review and was further impressed. http://www.bikepoint.com.au/reviews/2012/road/first-ride-cf-moto-650nk-30173 (http://www.bikepoint.com.au/reviews/2012/road/first-ride-cf-moto-650nk-30173) With all of this talk about new flat track bikes, you wouldn't go wrong basing a bike around one of these engines. Peter Campbell is experimenting with the Chinese Cagiva Canyon single motor for dirt track and most of us know that he's no idiot so it might be worth checking out some more of the newer stuff coming out of China before we write them all off as shit. It's only a matter of time before they produce a quality dirt bike and when they do we might just see another rush of excitement similar to when the DT1 was released, remembering that prior to 1967 nobody took the Jap cars or bikes seriously either. The big saying of the era was "You wouldn't see me driving that Jap crap", sounds kinda like our attitude to Chinese products today doesn't it ::)?
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k495/firko2/kymco-650nk_zps40d8df6b.jpg)
SPECS: CF MOTO 650NK
ENGINE
Type: Liquid-cooled, DOHC parallel twin
Capacity: 649.3cc
Bore x stroke: 83mm x 60mm
Compression ratio: 11.3:1
Fuel system: Electronic fuel injection
Emissions: Euro 3
Claimed maximum power: 69.73hp (50.9kW) at 8500rpm
Claimed maximum torque: 62Nm at 7000rpm
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Exactly Firko-no one would even think of driving/riding Jap Crap in the 60's and even into the 70's.
Just shows how forward thinking guys like Preston Petty and the Ekins were :D
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i think the problem is people get Chinese standards confused with Japanese standards... the Japanese business model was to copy something, then improve and perfect it until you've made a better, more efficent product than the original.
while the Chinese businese model is simply to copy something, then make it as cheaply as possible and people start complaining and refuse to buy it. their governments refusal to respect any copyright patents for domestic sales shows the lack of ethics and standards they live by.
*not really a rant but close :D
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Claimed Max HP on the CFmoto 650 is slightly more than the claimed on a stock CB750 K series.... :( The Chinese export machines WILL be right up there before very long, no ifs or buts.
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it's just not one man, it's the county's ethical standards.
shows the lack of ethics and standards they live by.
I'm not sure that the Chinese evaluation of our ethical standards would be all that glowing.
Just saying like 8)
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What is the buying price for on of them compared to a similar bike like ER 6 ?
The CF Moto retails for 6k while the Kawasaki goes for 10k.
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Those billet throttles look pretty bloody cool, I've also used those chain guides on several of my bikes with no probs at all.
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I have ridden a 2000klm old CF it is equal to the Kawasaki it copies, just as fast as SV650 and the
Hyo GT650 that's why I included it in the modern Big Twins class list for the Flattrack Nats.