OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: DJRacing on October 04, 2012, 08:19:48 pm
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Hi John, I thought I would open myself up to the full on-slaught of why you are saying NZ VMX is in a mess ;) ;D ;D
Farrrk, if it stops all this BS, I have a YZ250B frame I may part with......geezus.....what a load of horse manure....DJ, you shouldnt be stirring the pot with the mess the NZ VMX scene your coming back to after 3 or 4 years fishing (I hope you put back all those undersize fish!!)....your pre 75 (sorry "Classic" ) class allows 75/76 models to race in it (and your mate who was the main sponsor of your Kiwi VMX series to run I think a 77 Maico AW400 against your legit pre 75 bikes and no one would say anything so he keep doing it year after year ).....and you wonder why that class has almost disapeared....your pre78 class morfhs into your evo/twinshock and then you have pre 86.....what the?....even Murray Anderson says it should stop at pre85....there is a huge diference between 85/86 models....even TMBill agrees we have it pretty much sorted and you guys should get into line and follow the leader. We have a great scene over here which you have attended on occasion and it pretty much runs with alot of commonsence on the day...sure some peoples noses get put out of joint but we have a structured rule book that is pretty close to the mark and getting closer every year (and quite easy to read to see the do's and the dont's). Your lucky TMBill has eloped with the Italian Princess for the week but I'm sure he'll set you straight when he returns. Now go and make Karen a nice cocoa....and make sure my 360B is covered up.
I dont believe that this is the case here and the reasons are many as to why we have our own style of VMX but the one main reason is pure and simple. Its numbers. We dont have 4,000,000 people to entice into vmx as you do in your state (not country). We have that number thoughout the whole of NZ and when it is cut in half by an expensive piece of water the numbers for each region decline dramatically. This is why we have slightly different rules and race programmes from yourselves.
And yes I have raced and ridden in Aust and have fully enjoyed the experience plus have had always tried my best to understand the way vmx is run over there and played by your rules.
Here, NZ, we combine some classes to create bigger numbers on the start line so the riders have more competition to race against and although it can affect some lovers of a certain era with different CC' rating bikes I feel that they are more happier to have better racing with all in CC's. This is the reason TMBill enjoys the racing so much in Aust because of the numbers in a certain era and being able to split them up into CC rating.
As for our "Classic" class which took over from our Pre75 class because numbers were getting small it now has increased in numbers and for the most part the bikes are pre75. The bike in question that you mention I believe will not be racing in that class anymore and the last time I was at a vmx meeting the start line for our 'Classic' class looked very good with all bikes looking as a pre75 class should look.
Most welcome to try to answer any more questions from you or anyone else that has queries into how we do it here in NZ
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You're correct in saying that bike/rider is highly unlikely to be doing any more rounds, sounds like no more long distance elsinore riders either so numbers in the classic class will be at best the same as last year
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DJ,
The world could learn a lot from Kiwi VMX.
You guys put on great events, on great tracks that allow everybody to get out onto the track and enjoy themselves - all with a casual and inviting atmosphere.
IMHO you guys have the right balance between trying to maintain the integrity of various eras, while not getting your nickers in a knot when minor eligibility issues raise their ugly heads at an event.
Sure the era Nazis would have an apoplexy at these heinous crimes, but they are not concerned with putting smiles on the faces of the punters who show up.
Keep up the good work and don't let Joan's insistence at 'picking at scabs' get to you... if it's not you it will be somebody else!!! ;)
Good to have you back stirring the pot...
VMX42
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DJ,
The world could learn a lot from Kiwi VMX.
You guys put on great events, on great tracks that allow everybody to get out onto the track and enjoy themselves - all with a casual and inviting atmosphere.
IMHO you guys have the right balance between trying to maintain the integrity of various eras, while not getting your nickers in a knot when minor eligibility issues raise their ugly heads at an event.
Sure the era Nazis would have an apoplexy at these heinous crimes, but they are not concerned with putting smiles on the faces of the punters who show up.
Keep up the good work and don't let Joan's insistence at 'picking at scabs' get to you... if it's not you it will be somebody else!!! ;)
Good to have you back stirring the pot...
VMX42
AMEN!!
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. DJ,
The world could learn a lot from Kiwi VMX.
You guys put on great events, on great tracks that allow everybody to get out onto the track and enjoy themselves - all with a casual and inviting atmosphere.
??? They do, but it happens here in australia. Isn't that one of the draw cards of what we do?
The only place where there may be some small shit fight is at a national title or right here, normally instigated or fuelled by key board racers that hardly if ever throw a leg over a bike and actually go to a meeting.
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Brad,
I wasn't having a go at Oz VMX in any way, my comments were purely aimed at the question posed by DJ in this thread.
NZ have their own unique way of putting on VMX events. It works for them and that is all I said... all the rest is in your imagination. ;D
Complimenting somebody is not the same as having a go at somebody else. Viva la difference!!!
VMX42
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You said the rest of the world could learn from them. I'm in the rest of the world. What could we learn?
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You could learn to let it go... [and the rest of the world isn't just Australia - FYI]
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One thing that I reckon would work in New Zealand is a Classic Dirt style event. With your lack of overly restrictive government legislation and a very keen VMX base, it'd have to work. I'm positive you'd get support from both islands and Australia. I've been discussing this with my Kiwi mates for years and they all seem to think it'd work....all that's needed is a venue and someone with enough chutzpah to make it happen.
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One thing that I reckon would work in New Zealand is a Classic Dirt style event. With your lack of overly restrictive government legislation and a very keen VMX base, it'd have to work. I'm positive you'd get support from both islands and Australia. I've been discussing this with my Kiwi mates for years and they all seem to think it'd work....all that's needed is a venue and someone with enough chutzpah to make it happen.
+1
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You could learn to let it go... [and the rest of the world isn't just Australia - FYI]
well that clears up that misconception then.
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well that clears up that misconception then.
No Brad, it just means I gave a simple, singular opinion… no ulterior motives, no malice, no hidden messages, no satanic verses or veiled insults… just a simple opinion.
But it is true that I don't want to waste hours justifying every word after having it forensically dissected and misinterpreted… because again, it was just a simple opinion.
As simple opinion from a simple man! Nothing more, nothing less. :)
Love your work Brad,
VMX42
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As for our "Classic" class which took over from our Pre75 class because numbers were getting small it now has increased in numbers and for the most part the bikes are pre75. The bike in question that you mention I believe will not be racing in that class anymore and the last time I was at a vmx meeting the start line for our 'Classic' class looked very good with all bikes looking as a pre75 class should look.
No mess,looks like preserving an era's working out 8) :P
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One thing that I reckon would work in New Zealand is a Classic Dirt style event. With your lack of overly restrictive government legislation and a very keen VMX base, it'd have to work. I'm positive you'd get support from both islands and Australia. I've been discussing this with my Kiwi mates for years and they all seem to think it'd work....all that's needed is a venue and someone with enough chutzpah to make it happen.
Bill and I have discussed this many times. our problem is our weather and the lack of a camping type attitude of alot of people. Athough the last CD I went to at connandale was wet it was the exception of OZ weather not the rule . the opposite applys here.
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well that clears up that misconception then.
No Brad, it just means I gave a simple, singular opinion… no ulterior motives, no malice, no hidden messages, no satanic verses or veiled insults… just a simple opinion.
But it is true that I don't want to waste hours justifying every word after having it forensically dissected and misinterpreted… because again, it was just a simple opinion.
As simple opinion from a simple man! Nothing more, nothing less. :)
Love your work Brad,
VMX42
okay a simple question. In what way can the rest of the world do what the kiwis do so well ? Specifically.
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well that clears up that misconception then.
No Brad, it just means I gave a simple, singular opinion… no ulterior motives, no malice, no hidden messages, no satanic verses or veiled insults… just a simple opinion.
But it is true that I don't want to waste hours justifying every word after having it forensically dissected and misinterpreted… because again, it was just a simple opinion.
As simple opinion from a simple man! Nothing more, nothing less. :)
Love your work Brad,
VMX42
okay a simple question. In what way can the rest of the world do what the kiwis do so well ? Specifically.
I dont think we do anything any better or worse than anyone else in the world, I just think we do it so it works for us just as you guys do it your way and it works for you.
As Asasin says, your camping thing works very well and I wish over here we had that same thing going.
VMX42, I know Joan is only winding me up as I am with him and he knows that. But the reason for this thread isnt just to reply to Joan but also to hear other comments and hopefully maybe take some ideas and run with them if they would/could work over here.
I think one of the big differences is that the guys here run a series all over the north island which can start to get expensive for some people to travel to where as your nationals are a one off event and highly organized with a long lead in time so people can prepare themselves financially and time/work wise (and Im not saying you only go to just one event and it doesnt cost any less for you over there). There maybe many other ideas out there and this is a forum for vmx so we all have to take the good with the bad and even though we may not mean to come across in a bad or negitive way with the written word, sometimes it just comes out that way.
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okay a simple question. In what way can the rest of the world do what the kiwis do so well ? Specifically.
Geez Brad, you're like a dog with a f$&king bone today... so to keep you happy...
Nobody [in my singular experience] puts on a meeting that is both as casual and inviting in its accessibility [or vibe] and yet professional in its execution than the Kiwis.
Make of that what you will, but I will reiterate that by paying the Kiwis a well deserved compliment I am not slagging off anybody else.
Now go and have a quite beer for Christsake... 8)
VMX42
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well that clears up that misconception then.
No Brad, it just means I gave a simple, singular opinion… no ulterior motives, no malice, no hidden messages, no satanic verses or veiled insults… just a simple opinion.
But it is true that I don't want to waste hours justifying every word after having it forensically dissected and misinterpreted… because again, it was just a simple opinion.
As simple opinion from a simple man! Nothing more, nothing less. :)
Love your work Brad,
VMX42
Looks like the thought Police are onto you.
You should be warned that anything that you say on this forum can and will be used against you. :P
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okay a simple question. In what way can the rest of the world do what the kiwis do so well ? Specifically.
Geez Brad, you're like a dog with a f$&king bone today... so to keep you happy...
Nobody [in my singular experience] puts on a meeting that is both as casual and inviting in its accessibility [or vibe] and yet professional in its execution than the Kiwis.
Make of that what you will, but I will reiterate that by paying the Kiwis a well deserved compliment I am not slagging off anybody else.
Now go and have a quite beer for Christsake... 8)
VMX42
Seems you need to get to a few vmx meetings then. You have just described any vmx event I have been too. That is why I couldn't understand why ''the world could learn a lot''. Wasn't thinking or implying you were slagging anyone either.
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Hmmm seemed all good yesterday ;D had a 6 month break and now were back into it :)
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Imho VMX in NZ is very healthy as it is in Australia , in a perfect world i would like a combination of the too ( Australian competitor numbers and uniform classes but with the freedom of not being tied to a faceless governing body, with a combination of the best tracks in both countries )
I dont know a great deal about MA (except their policies prevented 2 of us from riding in the Qld champs this year ) but i know a hell of a lot about MNZ . Should VMX in NZ ever be forced to come under the jurisdiction of MNZ thats the day i hang my helmet up forever .
For a little country at the bottom of the world we have been privaleaged to have in the last 8 yrs had a number of overseas visitors to our VMX events including
Brad lackey
Brad 090
Brent J
Christan Hammergren
Firko
Geoff Ballard
Harry Everts
Jeff Keen
Joan Tite
Joel Smets
Oldfart
Roger DeCoster
Stefan Everts
Stefan Meriman
As far as im aware all of the above enjoyed the events and some are semi regular visitors so we must be doing somthing right ;D
Vmx means many different things to different people but reading forums like this shows a common theme , Passion :)
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Just for the record, I've never said anything negative about nz vmx ( not saying you are Bill), and how could I! I have an awesome time whenever I go there. I'm not questioning vmx in nz. I was purely asking for Jeff to elaborate on what he said. I still say that every meeting i have been to is
a meeting that is both as casual and inviting in its accessibility [or vibe] and yet professional in its execution
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Bill dont for get jeff Smith visited unzud to race as well
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I loved it over there on the South Island, loved the laid back atmosphere but as I said earlier, the classings had me a bit confused. The quality of the bikes was amazing as was some of the riding. There were five other Aussies at the same meeting (not counting Gavin Martini who's a Kiwi but races in both countries) and we all loved it. If I was well enough I'd have been going back to Timaru next month but I've decided to wait until next year and hit a North Island meeting. At risk of upsetting my Kiwi friends, I still think that uniform classing between both islands and even Oz would be a positive step.
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Shit your right Mike how could i have forgotten JVS :-[
No worries Brad i never thought you were being negative :) mate always a pleasure when you guys are able to come over :) and the hospitality you guys show us when we visit is much appreciated :)
Firko im with you on this one , one of the things i like about Aussie VMX is the uniformed class structure and i think we could benefit from such a system .
Im not sure a CD type event would work in NZ :-\ would love to think it would but our climate and from what i have seen general VMX communities aversion to camping would make it a bit of a non event :(
I should justify this statement "Should VMX in NZ ever be forced to come under the jurisdiction of MNZ thats the day i hang my helmet up forever ."
Im not anti rules or anti organisation but im very anti incompetance >:(
One thing i really struggle with ( and this means all motorcycle competition) is WTF if you hold an MA or an MNZ licence cant you compete in either country on that licence ???
(I dont need 500 replys as to the logistical and legal reasons , but surley these 2 organisations could come up with a solution better than the current situation ::))
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Next time just don't tell them.
Here's a good one. When you win a national title you get a free licence, so I have one coming to me. As my licence was due and stretched for money I tried to get mine ASAP instead of waiting till the end of year awards night. Do you think I can get it sooner? No way! So in theory I would have to cough up the nearly $300 for a licence. I said okay then, seeing as I won five I should receive five free licences. Well of course it doesn't work that way!
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Brad with all the Gold you took home you would of been in front if you had cashed them in at Sims metals ;D
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Pretty sure Ray Ryan came over to a meeting I travelled up to just north of Auckland in the 90s when there was no vmx riding happening in the lower north island, still can't believe I could do that as an apprentice
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yeah ray stayed with us and while yacking at western springs speedway he sarted formulating laid back auz VMX and C/D was born
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Any way back to the cool pics ;)
looks like a top track and some nice bikes good to see the CCM ripping it up 8)
I would love to get over there one year and race,
I get over there once a year to visit family but no bike over there to rip it up :P
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Bikes can always be arranged, let a young guy who couldn't get his cr125 going use my yz465 in rec class, was good to see it flying in the 2 races he did before I crashed it in last evo race
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Thanks Tony ,
I dont really like riding other guys bikes just in case I come off and break something
I just done my bucket list on another thread but looks like it may be broken.
start looking for a bike to ride in NZ (trademe) ;D
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I loved it over there on the South Island, loved the laid back atmosphere but as I said earlier, the classings had me a bit confused. The quality of the bikes was amazing as was some of the riding. There were five other Aussies at the same meeting (not counting Gavin Martini who's a Kiwi but races in both countries) and we all loved it. If I was well enough I'd have been going back to Timaru next month but I've decided to wait until next year and hit a North Island meeting. At risk of upsetting my Kiwi friends, I still think that uniform classing between both islands and even Oz would be a positive step.
Firko, to an outside of the South Island their race classings would look as clear as mud ;D but to them it's just the norm and they haven't changed how they do it probably since the bike were new ;D which give a ride a lot of races available to him on the day. No good for an unfit buggar like me but great for guys like Bill.
Mark I hope that if you are coming over to a north island meeting it would be great if you could come to the final round (10yrs and 50 meetings) of the series that is run throughout the north island. It would be great if the Auckland Classic Scramble Club had a meeting either the weekend before or the weekend after so you could get to see lots of VMX. If you did decide to make your way down this way (bring that Bazza with ya) your more that welcome to say here but I'm sure going from Auckland to down this way you wouldnt make it because the TM palace is on the way and take it from me it's hard to leave that place ;D
Brad, don't let Jeff stir you up ;) because after all you Aussies would have to be the most relaxed and cruisey bunch of VMXers I have ever seen when the world leaders of BBQing let a pom cook and they end up with a chop in between two pieces of bread ;D plus you know I love stirring you guys up anyway, you should've heard me wind up Joan on the phone the the other day ;) ;D and he better send some money over now to get "His 360" fixed after the chop cooker locked the motor. I suppose it was pay back after I just seized his 125 :-\
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More pics
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Imho VMX in NZ is very healthy as it is in Australia , in a perfect world i would like a combination of the too ( Australian competitor numbers and uniform classes but with the freedom of not being tied to a faceless governing body, with a combination of the best tracks in both countries )
I dont know a great deal about MA (except their policies prevented 2 of us from riding in the Qld champs this year ) but i know a hell of a lot about MNZ . Should VMX in NZ ever be forced to come under the jurisdiction of MNZ thats the day i hang my helmet up forever .
For a little country at the bottom of the world we have been privaleaged to have in the last 8 yrs had a number of overseas visitors to our VMX events including
Brad lackey
Brad 090
Brent J
Christan Hammergren
Firko
Geoff Ballard
Harry Everts
Jeff Keen
Joan Tite
Joel Smets
Oldfart
Roger DeCoster
Stefan Everts
Stefan Meriman
As far as im aware all of the above enjoyed the events and some are semi regular visitors so we must be doing somthing right ;D
Vmx means many different things to different people but reading forums like this shows a common theme , Passion :)
I had the opportunity to ride over there in 2005. I knew no-one apart from the guys I'd corresponded with online and I was somewhat overwhelmed by the hospitality (being fairly shy) and if there were 10 rounds of racing that day I could have ridden 10 different bikes I was offered so many.
I still rate that trip as the BEST VMX trip I have done and thank everyone once again.
Mick, get in touch with the guys and take your gear (haha, inhouse joke). If you break a bike then the owner can come over here and break one of yours!
Do as you are told or I'll tell your folks!