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Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: Graeme M on May 04, 2012, 08:55:03 pm
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Given this event is coming up fast I reckon we need a thread here for it. The Australian Classic Dirt Track Championships will be held at the Fairbairn track at Canberra on the weekend of October 6&7. I have very little information to hand as yet however I am sure that we'll be hearing more soon. The titles were in Canberra a few years ago and were a big success. Canberra is pretty central, the track is a ripper, there's plenty of other attractions in Canberra, and the club is pretty good at organisation, so I expect things will go just as well this year. Anyone interested in racing in October but who wants a taste of things there will be at least two club days before then, plus more than likely a few practice days. There is also the Canberra Cup on 7/8 July.
One matter that needs clarification is whether this championship is for Classic, Post Classic or both. I understand that the club is currently looking to get this sorted with MA - I will report back on the outcome.
I am not on the committee or anything but any questions raised here I am happy to pass on for answering. Remember though that it's still early days yet so I don't think too many things have been set in stone yet.
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You're right Graeme time fly's.
This is gunna be an absolute ripper.
The track is superb and the club really know how to run an event like this.
I coulda, woulda, shoulda been riding but I'll definitely be there as keen observer.
Anyone thinking about it should stop thinking and start preparations.
Cheers, Steve
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They should apply to run both the pre and post champs as they have the numbers thne for sure
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Hey I wanna run my pre70 RT1!
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I hope they can run both Classic and Post Classic. If so I will be there with 4 bikes :) ;) :D ;D
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No word yet on what the club is running as far as Classic and Post Classic goes.
I'm pretty keen to race and provided my RM250T goes OK at CD9 I reckon I'll race it. Which means I'm hoping for Post Classic at least!
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Are these dates firm for this event , as need to put in for holidays and book accomodation ?
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I believe so. The dates are set in the MA National calendar and in the ACT MCC's calendar.
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I believe the club is close to settling what classes the Canberra meeting will be. At this stage no further info to offer but will advise as soon as I hear.
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After missing the Queensland Classic VMX Nats because of some dicky health issues, I'm more than determined to get myself and my dirt track tackle set up and running well for this meet. I'm really looking forward to it.
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Hope to see you here Mark, it should be a good meeting. For sure I can't see them doing both Classic and Post Classic, so it'll be interesting to see what it comes down to. Personally I'd prefer them to go Post Classic, but knowing my luck... I'm more than likely gonna have to find me a Pre 78 bike I suspect...
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Personally I'd prefer them to go Post Classic
And what happens to all of the pre 78 bikes Graeme? No, I think that they can still fit all the divisions into the Dirt Track Nats format. The races are shorter, there's a quicker turnover and the enty level is less than that of it's motocross brother. Bring it on. 8)
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That's not quite what I meant - I was observing that if the club chooses one or the other to run, I would prefer the Post Classic as my only vintage bike is a 1980 model. If they go Classic, I will need to find a bike somehow.
I can't speak for the club, but I suspect when they applied to run the titles they didn't realise that firstly it has been divided into Classic and Post Classic, and secondly that Post Classic now includes Pre 90. That is a helluva lot of classes to run if you take on both divisions at the one event. I take your points, but my guess is they'll come down in favour of just the one division. But which one?
As I said though, it's up to the club to decide, so as soon as I hear I'll let everyone know.
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It was my understanding that this years titles would remain combined.
I think the entry numbers may be down if they do the split.
Not that it affects me this year.
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they run a FULL program for the NAt dirt track nats there like 3 years ago so they can certainly get through the program. and the boys there run a tight shit and a quick start gate. they shold do them both.
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Yes, they are pretty good at getting the races through the gate and so on. But when they ran them a few years ago, there was no Pre 90 class. Still, let's hope they go with the combined titles - it'd be a big weekend for sure but pretty damned exciting I'd reckon.
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I made my comment without realizing pre90 classes had been added.
It'll still be a great event.
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In recent years,as you know,the Classic DT nats have been pre-85 and earlier. The pre-85 class appeared to be one of the lesser classes on numbers- being fairly new to the program . Evo had a good turn-out, but the DT nats have largely been about pre-78 and earlier bikes for quite a few years now. I hope the committee acknowledges this and at least combines the Classic and Post Classic. If one HAS to be dropped it should be Post Classic IMO.
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Well, as has been posted elsewhere it looks like the Nats will be Pre 78 only. I don't know what the chances are of there being a Post-Clasic Dirt Track championship in 2012, but this late in the piece I'd guess slim. Still, it means that there is now some certaintly around what will happen in Canberra, so we can all get those Pre 78 dirt track sleds out and start prepping. Should be a top event!
I think that means I need to find a TT500 somewhere... ;D
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That's sad to hear. I was really looking forward to riding this event but with only one pre '78 bike, a 125, I wont be going. :(
Cheers
Shaun
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As I said on the other thread,I reckon they could pull off both over and under pre 78 with this event but now that they've decided to go with the pre 78 cut I think they've made the right choice. The pre 75/78 division has been clearly the most well supported section of dirt track so it'd be pretty unfair to omit them from the Nats.
Surely there's an available date at Nepean where Penrith, BWP or St George could bung on a Post Classic Nats? There's a free weekend on November, 17th that dosen't seem to clash with anything, although it's a week after HEAVENS last round. Maybe the Retro guys could organise it. A November date gives plenty of time to prepare so why can't it be done?
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Please note I've set this thread up as 'sticky' - it's meant to be the single 'official' OzVMX thread about the Classic DT Nats. All further comment should be here.
I've locked the other thread, tho it's worth a look to make sure you are up to date:
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=24368.msg238913;topicseen#msg238913
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Word from Darrylene Austin is that a final decision has not been made yet.
Don't change your plans just yet, that announcement may be a touch premature.
I've spoken to a few people this arvo and if there is a split, Nepean is definitely interested in holding the Post Classic's.
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Great to hear Steve. I'll be there with bells on if it happens ;D
Cheers
Shaun
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Following on from the other thread, its possible that a few more entries may now be added from the pre '78s as the program won't be overloaded.
I'm sure there would be quite a full program of bikes later than '78 which will make a big event for those entries if a meet was put on later this year as suggested.
cheers pancho.
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I will be talking to my club in Coffs Harbour on the weekend to see if they are interested in running the Post classics in November, however preliminary discussions don't look good unless I can recommend some personal to help with running the event and some sponsorship $.
Personally I don't think there would be enough entries to make it worthwhile if it was evo, pre 85 and pre 90 only, I suggest some support classes be added to boost numbers, if there was support classes like;
- Pre 78 right back to pre 60 combined but divided into capacities for over 35 years old.
- Sliders, pre 78 and modern sliders run seperately.
- Quads, all year models.
It could make this a unique event.
Nepean would be good :)
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When is a decision likely to be made .
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I'm not too sure. At the local club day on Sunday it was said that discussions with MA are still happening and a decision has not yet been made. I understand it may be another week or two.
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Any word yet?
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Officially, not yet, however we are sweating on the Supp. Regs to be approved and posted on the MA site.
Foss
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If they are waiting on supp regs to be approved , they must know if there is going to be a split ?
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gdr, I'm pretty sure it'll be up to pre 78 with a few support classes.
From what I can gather, because this is the first year of the split, the goalposts may have been moved a couple of times. :-\
While I'm using a footy analogy, Go the Blue's, please, finally put me out of my misery.
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Slides was right on the money, just spoken to Darylene , it's official, the meeting will be Pre '78 with the following support classes.
Pre 85 125cc
Pre 85 250cc
Pre 85 263 and over
Pre 90 Sliders
Supp. Regs will be available shortly
See Ya there
Foss
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So that means that the Post Classic Titles for 2012 are up for grabs.
Inc - All Evo, Pre85 & Pre90 classes.
If anyone knows of a track & club that may want to take it on, get on to them now.
I intend to speak to the powers that be at Nepean.
Foss, does that mean that the Junior classes have been dropped from the programme for Canberra?
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Yeah Steve, the Junior Classic class has been dropped
Foss
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Shame about the Classic Jnr Class as it makes a father son weekend out off the event. We need some junoir riders to carry on the future of air cooled bikes.
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Is another club going to be putting their hand up with this little notice to run the post classic nats ? .
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Not Coffs Harbour this time unfortunately :(
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OK , here they are , the long awaited Supp. Regs for the 2012 Classic DT Nats at Canberra,
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2012/Classic_Dirt_Track/2012_Classic_DTC_Supp_Regs_FINAL.pdf.
Be on ya toes at the starts , lads, 'cos I'm the Starter
See Ya there
Foss
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got my days off approved today all good now just have to get the bikes ready
jim
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Super Seniors Event??
pancho
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Got an email from Jan suggesting I put my glasses on or something and that Super Seniors are indeed catered for.
cheers pancho.
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You're a great starter Foss, but your left eye twitches just as you release the tape... ;)
Looking forward to it, should be a ripper event. I went out to a practice day today and I don't know what the prep guys are doing but the track is just brilliant to ride on. I don't think I've ever ridden on a better surface than today.
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Is there any camping at the track?
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You just know now there'll be several tape breakages on the Saturday, Foss does go through the same routine for every start but if you get it wrong you're out.
cr4, I'm pretty sure there is but there aint a lot of grassed areas for camping, I'm planning on staying at the track along with several others.
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For those of you who want to get dialled in for the Classic DT Nats , these practice days and a club day in the next few weeks,from Darylene.
Hi All,
we had a great Social ride day on sunday at the Dt and kumagutza with about 60 people turning up,everyone had a great day.
We have organised a couple more of these days,the next one is on sunday the 12th Aug and sunday 2nd sept from 10am till around 4pm.
also next race day is 26th Aug with a working bee on the sat 25th from 8am,so please help support your club by coming along and giving a hand.
thanks
Darylene Austin
ACTMCC DT chair person
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Oh , yeah Graeme, the only reason me eye twitches is cos I really wanna be the other side of the Start Gate !!
Foss
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Heh, I was just kidding about the eye twitching thing, but I am right in saying you do a great job on the start gate. Nonetheless as someone who is really enjoying a second take at dirt track racing I can sympathise with your feelings about which side of the gate you'd like to be on!
And yes, with a couple of practice days and a club day coming up, I highly recommend getting along for a ride if you are planning on racing the Classic DT Nats. The track is really good these days and we have a free flowing race packed program on club days and plenty of track time at practice days (plus you can go for a burl round the new Karmagutza MX track as well).
The practice day last weekend was HUGE. Looks like Dirt Track is really finding its feet again!!
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oh you think DT's heyday is back again do you graeme? well time will tell. just cause you managed to con me into coming out to try my hand at it last sunday, don't mean nothing. ok, there were a fair few bods about and stuff. and yes, i didn't mind being able to hold the throttle on for way longer than i would over the hill on the mx track. but i've not quite thrown the towel in on the jumpy bumpy side of things yet.
i guess it weren't bad fun tho.
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Yeah come on, admit, it's pretty good. You know you wanna do it.
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It's a whole different mind set to MX, yes you get more track time on MX but it's the flat & fast stuff that get's my adrenalin pumping.
Have you found a ride yet Graeme?
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Not yet but plenty of time...
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Now just 4 weeks till entries close, so time to start thinking about getting yours in!
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Still on my list to do but a very very full OCt for me each weekend is an Aussie or state title for something.
Are the supp regs out and linked on here yet ? at least if i Dl i can get my arse into gear and look at bikes to sort out to one side pending.
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http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2012/Classic_Dirt_Track/2012_Classic_DTC_Supp_Regs_FINAL.pdf
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Reminder to all that this event is coming up fast. Entries close 12 September which is only a bit over a week away. Entries so far have been slow so get them in asap so the club can move ahead with planning and prep. And yes, I am one of those who hasn't entered - I'll get mine off first thing Monday.
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I put my entry in.
Pre78 IT250 and Pre78 IT400 Yamahas.
It was a great event last time ACTMCC ran it.
Come on guys get your entries in.
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Yep, finally got the finger out and sent mine in today. Pre 78 125 and Pre 78 Over 250. I'll only be playing in the big class but hope to have a bit of a go in the 125s. Should be a fun weekend!
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Ok putting one in today !, finally got somthign to run on the weekend :O)
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Has anyone heard how entries are going? They 'officially' closed yesterday...
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Lttle Birdy told me last night 74 entrys and expectimg more. ;D ;D
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That's good news, so it's all a goer then. Might crack the 100 entries which would be great.
I believe there is a practice day at the track this weekend too. I'd like to go but used up all my credits with She Who Must Be Obeyed by going to Classic Dirt last weekend...
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the entry is still open till monday yes it will be on dont no details yet.
jim
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Good & bad news, great that ACTMCC are being as flexible as they can but very disappointing that the interest isn't better.
We shouldn't forget that this is the first year of the split and given that there are at least 6 less Title classes less than last year up for grabs, maybe understandable.
Spread the word, forget Uncle Sam, Classic DT needs you.
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To support the cause and get numbers up I have entered 4 bikes and an age ride. ( idiot)
So Slidez i need a pit bitch ... can you hook me one up for the weekend.
entry/pitor an OPEN Call goes out anyone there that can help take a bike the the start lineif i have back to back races. if we get 2 entry / pit passes they can have the other one for the weekend if they would like to come along
cheers freaky
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I keep reading about the lack of interest in this event.
A lot of blokes that I have spoken to quote the cost, the date and the slit, sorry the split, in the tittles that is as, reasons not to attend.
Bathurst will take its toll as will the long weekend the week before but for me its another weekend of great riding,and socialising so count me in with 4 bikes.
And Steve, if you are the pit bitch pimp, Ill take one too ;D
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steve is aready booked in he has been a pit bitch since 2010 titles
but he can be bought i think schotch is the method
jim
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I aint bitchin for no bastard, I'm going for the social scene.
There'll be plenty of bodies hanging around but if I can help I'll help.
J&B is the preffered currency and I'm not talking Bourbon.
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Lets hope they piss off the spilt next year ::) so the clubs hosting the events get better numbers
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I doubt that'll happen Ekka, the split was inevitable and was gunna happen sooner or later.
The Classic MX titles this year was, by all accounts an outstanding success, sadly the Post Classic MX titles were cancelled but there were several factors involved in that decision.
As much as I hate to admit it but DT has become the poorer cousin to MX right across the board, I well remember the days when it was the other way round, entry numbers seem to reflect that.
The good news is that the meeting is a goer.
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Spew been working on the DT1 and just finished it and was about to start onthe other 3. BUt just got the call regarding my entries - no PRe 70 250cc class..( cancelled) ....nnooooooooo.... so there's 2 weeeks of work i wasted / WhyTF didnt any one enter a 250cc ? ffs theres millions out there...... not every one needs to ride a XS 650 you know. ..... devistated.
Any way looks like ill have one less bike in the van, so to make sunshine out of shit, can someone pick me up a bike i have in Goulburn and bring it to the meet please ?????
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goulburn is not far from canberra and a hagon tm250 dosent take up much space.i entered my pre 70 250 and i havent got a call yet do we get to ride with the bigger pre 70 s
jim
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So are you picking up on the way
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i got the call last night, told class was cut.
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send me what it is and i will be going through there friday lunch time
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So you bought that Hagon TM Freaky, I thought of you the momment I spotted it.
There were no bids, you must have made him an offer he couldn't refuse?
P.S. Now I'm kinda glad I didn't have to bust my arse to get my pre70 250 ready. Disappointing that numbers are down but hopefully we can rebuild from this experience.
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THink your spewing the numbers are down, we have to travell half way across the country and the eastern staters seems to have flaked out. I just got the list today and its not even a page full ???? where did you all go ?
IT will be the easiest year for some of you to pick up a title with many classes lucky to make the 10 min numbers............. some dont even have the age splits.
Its a bit of a sad state of affairs. I wanna thank the ACt club for hosting the event for us, but i cant believe the total lack of interest and comittment from the riders.
Its so sad. its oly one event you have to do a year like the CMX nats --- i dont wanna lose the DT nats !
where have all the entires gone.............. Man wish i had more bike to ride. :'(
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So you bought that Hagon TM Freaky, I thought of you the momment I spotted it.
There were no bids, you must have made him an offer he couldn't refuse?
P.S. Now I'm kinda glad I didn't have to bust my arse to get my pre70 250 ready. Disappointing that numbers are down but hopefully we can rebuild from this experience.
the one i bought wasnt advertised, its going to be for the jawa :)
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THink your spewing the numbers are down
MA has a lot to answer for, for double dipping the permit fees. There's no sensible reason to split the divisions in dirt track as the competitor numbers don't warrant it. The more I think about what happened here, the shittier I get >:(.
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yep,we were one big happy family,no fugging problem with that!!,ok we 'might' now get more age races,(whooopee)but that certainly didn't work this time round,basically all in over 50yrs,no super seniors (one off abberation this time),no over 60's either,if anything needed splitting (besides vmx) it's "historic" roadracing,period fugging 6 for christs sake!!,theres your pre 90!!,lets see "them" apply the same rational (don't hold your breath!!) :P
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Good luck to all over the weekend .
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Well lads, she's on tomorrow !!, after burning the midnight oil in the shed for a week or two or three, Shags picked up the #59 Glenn Gall XT on Thursday, the #266 XT is goin' on the trailer this morning, the wheels are really smick, Mick, thanks mate.
Don't forget, be on ya toes at the starts cos, I dont root around getting yas off an goin,
safe travellin', good luck to everyone an I'll see ya at the Canberra Skids.
Foss
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Weather forecast is maybe a little better now - probably wet Saturday but fine Sunday, so can't be all bad. 80 odd entries must mean around 90-100 bikes so we should be looking at a pretty good weekend's racing. Looking forward to checking out all the action and trying to be on my toes enough to get those starts!! ;D
Good luck to everyone who's riding, let's have a fun safe weekend.
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I'll finally catch up with you tomorrow Graeme,.
The starts will be easy, Foss's lip starts to curl up on his left side just as he's about to push the go button.
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;)
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So ,Who's been fast To day??
Noel
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Anyone who's good in the wet!!
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Pissing down rain all day but a well run event. Good to see Slidey, Jim, Freaky, Pete and Grasy, and a bunch more regulars. Because of the rain I think they turned the event into a one day show but I unfortunately had to leave after the final round but before the finals because of a prior committment so I don't know who won what. I congratulate everyone who raced in those conditions, it was a testiment to the riders slick track skills that there weren't more crashes. Congratulations must also go to the flaggies and officials (especially Foss on the startline) who stood out in the drizzle and rain all day.
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Because of the rain I think they turned the event into a one day show ...
What???????
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As far as i know ,they are still racing sunday .They got through 2 rounds and the rest including finals will be held today .
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All went to plan yesterday despite the constant light rain. Clear blue sky this morning should see some great racing.
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It appears that I jumped the gun....when they ran two rounds on Saturday instead of the programmed one I figured they'd be trying to finish the meet to beat any heavier rain. It was pissing down when I left directly after round 2.....sorry for the misinformation ::). Good show just the same. ;)
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just got the phone call .Ray Stevens 1st Pre78 big bore'
2nd Pre75 125
well done Ray ;D
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Justin Burdus, 1st pre78 250, title #2.
Dave Gras, 1st pre75 125, a long time coming for a real Classic DT diehard and a bloody good fella, I think his son Anthony got a couple of podiums.
Peter Lee won his usual couple.
Col Moody scored a 3rd as did Brett Chipperfield.
Hoping it's nothing too serious for Mick Gee, he clipped a rear wheel and did the collarbone flip.
All in all a great event and congrats to the Canberra club.
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Are the result posted somewhere of the finals ?
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Anyone got any pics ? specially in the rain ...... ehehe
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I only took a few on Sunday, my camera's just a shitter so no action shots but I did fall in love with and get inspired by this old girl.
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The scene on Sunday Morning.
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Who said us old blokes don't take it serious, my question is who's giving it to who?
Courtesey of Fossil.
P.S. Photo taken by Colleen Lee, Mr's 52.
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Is it freaky on the out side..
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Sorry, 152 our own Freaky getting the shove from Dave Gras, well that's my theory.
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As close as we got..., Grassy re-entering track after a Burger in Queanbeyan :D
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ha ha Was all over him after a shit start .......... was only a question of time grassy, one more lap and kapow.
Kept lining him up on the inside but bloody 4 stroke had me on the exit every time. Finally went for the outside line at that top corner, last lap and just wanted him to know i was there before he did the into the infiled push on me for the finish line.
looking at the shadows we are still dead level on the exit but grasy is drifting me off the racing line ( im flicking up chunks and he dust). Was a heaps fun race, but lets wait for him to log on and give his version of it :D
Love safe close racing. thanks grassy ;D
# Truly a top action foto. perfect timing who ever took it ! ( can you email me the original file please) thats one for the pool room to inspire me for next year :)
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Sorry, 152 our own Freaky getting the shove from Dave Gras, well that's my theory.
yep the other 52 who becomes 152 when Pete lee's on the scene. ( you retiring yet pete ? im running out of 1's )
hehehe
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I transferred this over from the THE THIRD BIKE IS NOW READY PICS OF MY HELPER AS WELL thread as it's more relevent over here.
Yep sorry I missed you Col, love to put the Championship back the way it was, we miss the younger guns and their enthusiasium at our Dirt Track Championship. Can it happen? It did not work with the MX and funnily enough no Club wants to run the later, ie post 1978 classes, as a Championship either.
Very simply the idea of a seperate championship is no good for Dirt Track, somebody changed it, can they put it back and save our younger lads ( post '78 riders) from burning their bikes and leaving the Classic movement forever. Peter Lee 52
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Pete, one of the big misconceptions here is that clubs have to observe the split. It's entirely up to the promoting club as to which classes and format are used. The split was introduced to enable a club to fit all of the classes at the vintage motocross Nats. That event had grown to the point that it was becoming very difficult to fit every class from pre 60 through to pre 90 into the one weekend. The only reason there was a problem with the split in the motocross side was the odd decision to race the inaugural Post Classic Nats in geographically undesirable Tasmania. The Classic Nats for pre 78 and earlier in Queensland was an outstanding success and if the Post Classic Nats had been held on the mainland I have no doubt that it would have been equally as successful. To say that "it did not work with the MX" is not quite right.
I've been told that the Canberra club wanted to run the full gamut of classes but MA presented them with an extra $2000 permit fee to run both divisions together. Faced with an expense they didn't want the club opted to run the event only for pre 78 and earlier...Classics. It's a bit unfair to blame the instigators of the split when the actual villain was a permit fee double dipping MA. Col Metcher and the Commission are well aware the splitting of the Nats is not yet necessary for the dirt track side of our sport yet that message seems to have been lost in the beaurocracy.
Having said that, the "split" had little, in anything to do with the piss poor entry roll up in a number of classes. For the previously well supported pre 70/250 class to be cancelled for lack of entries, for pre 65 to only be able to rustle up two or three entries, for only two sliders and three sidecars to enter and a number of other classes poorly supported one would have to look deeper into just why the racers stayed away. My mate and I did a mental tally and came up with almost fifteen racers who hadn't entered the pre '65 and pre'70 classes alone. That the meeting was a success despite the weather, low entries and split problem was a credit to the Canberra club and the dedicated officials who made it happen.
Let's hope the glitches can be fixed before next years event.
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The extra permit fee, that MA wanted to run just the 3 Pre '85 events as a Championship class, was $3000, the same fee that they wanted for the whole of the Post Classic classes.
I really think that the whole of the Classic DT rules need looking at, so I've a few ideas that I will submit to the Classic MX/DT Commission, through MA, when I've thought it through a bit more, I would encourage others that have some concerns to do the same.
Foss
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OK i may be talking out of kilter here, and i dont want to distract from what was a great track and praise for a club actually wanting to host a national title......but i personally dont think the club could have handled pre 85's as well.
There was a few issues i personally saw around conducting just the pre 78 classes, too many missed racers, communicaition breakdowns and general logistics that would need to be addressed to successfully handle more bikes, campers and races.
i think there is a lot that can be taken away from these events every year, both good and bad to create a check list for other clubs to use and build on so we can create an on track and off track fomulae that works for everyone.
Im just not sure we are where we should be yet
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The biggest issue next year will effect both. the proposed calender for 2013 has the MX one weeeknd and then the Dirt track the weekend after ???? its going to be inpossible for riders to drive home swap bikes and drive all the way back..... or hang around for a week waiting.
I think this is a BADDDDD call on the dates if that is correct. and should be fixed other wise you will get a lot or riders who cant do both, so numbers will be down for sure. JMO
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Where is the proposed 2013 Calendar located Freaky?
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A few pics from the Canberra Times;
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/photogallery/act-news/australian-classic-dirt-track-championships-20121006-276cu.html
(http://www.canberratimes.com.au/photogallery/act-news/australian-classic-dirt-track-championships-20121006-276cu.html?selectedImage=1)
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A few pics from the Canberra Times;
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/photogallery/act-news/australian-classic-dirt-track-championships-20121006-276cu.html
(http://www.canberratimes.com.au/photogallery/act-news/australian-classic-dirt-track-championships-20121006-276cu.html?selectedImage=1)
AWESOME Pic 8) 8)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/canberra_zps135ec758.jpg)
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I'd be keen to find more details of the 2013 DT event and the 2013 VMX nats as contrary to everyone else these two events a week apart will suit me down to the ground.
Are both events in the same area?
I've never ridden Dirt track but I'll happily chuck another tire in the crate and change it during the week.
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A few pics from the Canberra Times;
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/photogallery/act-news/australian-classic-dirt-track-championships-20121006-276cu.html
(http://www.canberratimes.com.au/photogallery/act-news/australian-classic-dirt-track-championships-20121006-276cu.html?selectedImage=1)
AWESOME Pic 8) 8)
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r259/vmx247/canberra_zps135ec758.jpg)
Sure would make a great poster!
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Love the photo, #21 was super quick on the Triumph Flattracker.
Bloody disgraceful that the complete results still aren't available on the MA website, is that the club's responsibility?
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I'd be keen to find more details of the 2013 DT event and the 2013 VMX nats as contrary to everyone else these two events a week apart will suit me down to the ground.
Are both events in the same area?
I've never ridden Dirt track but I'll happily chuck another tire in the crate and change it during the week.
The motocross is at Fairburn Pk Canberra and I believe the dirt tracks at Broadford, Victoria. It's ideal for you coming down from Darwin Brent but it's a bit of a nuisance having them so close together for many others. Nothing's official yet though...or is it?
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all in all i have a great time at canberra sat was wet sunday was great made 2 finals came last who cears it was a hoot
caught up with and made some great freinds along the way
all good
jim
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Thanks Mark, For some reason I thought next years DT event was in Canberra. Maybe I should read things a bit better eh :-[
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When the split was proposed it was recognised that Dirt Track probably wouldnt have the numbers to warrant the "split", so the option for a club to apply for a combined event was left open. When I proposed to MA that it would be fair to all concerned to reduce the fee it was envisaged the the the Classic promoter would pay $2000, Post Classic $2000, giving MA $4000 total.This was a win-win as the two clubs saved $1000 each and MA got an extra $1000.If a club was granted a combined all eras in one event as was to be expected for Dirt Track, it was assumed MA would treat and charge as one event. It was never expected there would be a "double dip"
However the final decision to run Classics only was the club's, primarily on the basis of insufficient time to include all classes in the two days. A three day event was not an option due to local noise restrictions.To blame MA , the organising club, or the "split" for any perceived short-coming in this event is misguided. Instead blame the increased popularity of our sport and introduction of later era classes .
I think the MA fee situation needs to be clarified, but I for one welcome the momentum our sport has developed. Look at the big picture..
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The motocross is at Fairburn Pk Canberra and I believe the dirt tracks at Broadford, Victoria. It's ideal for you coming down from Darwin Brent but it's a bit of a nuisance having them so close together for many others. Nothing's official yet though...or is it?
Try ACT for the MX and the NSW club thats not grittith for the other ( not sure if its been offically released so refer to club on that mail)
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Not really, its up to the transponder company ..who where ??
ummm they didnt use transponders......... lap scorers manually
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Where is the proposed 2013 Calendar located Freaky?
MA has its draft copy.
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simply the best foto i have seen in a long time
(http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2012/10/06/3694057/JD-gal-dirtbikes-20121006200528782667-80x80.jpg)
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Talk about noses in the pig trough, MA should hang thier head in shame ......
it's their fee structure that needs looking at closely.
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Still can't find the overall results anywhere.
No wonder interest in the sport is waning.
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Last year at Brisbane had a record entry, so I dont think its a general downward trend
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just goes to show what the split has done.
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Just goes to show how little you understand. Read my reply 119.There was the option to run a combined event. The factors against doing so was MA (apparent) double dipping, but more so the club's decision that they couldnt fit all eras into two days.
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I hear what you're saying Col and agree that the titles last year were a bloody well supported event.
Given that it was the first one held north of the Tweed for a long time, maybe even ever, there was a lot of local support and luckily for you guy's you also rec'd plenty of support from the southern states.
I really thought that with Canberra being pretty much in the centre of DT's heartland that it would've rec'd better overall support.
Given the amount of classes we now have, a split was inevitable.
I may be repeating myself but we need to move forward and now that we have set classes for Classic we should be developing those classes and that really is the responsibility of all the clubs who run DT.
I def don't think I know what the amswere is but the more input we get, the better.
Personally I'd like to see next years Classic titles go to Broadford because we need to spread the word, despite my allegences to Nepean but that decision hasn't been made yet.
I would call on all Post Classic competitors to look at the up coming NSW PC Titles at Nepean as a defacto OZ title event because that's what Roy & the Penrith club tried real bloody hard to have.
I think I've spent my 2 bobs worth.
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just goes to show what the split has done.
The split had nothing to do with the problems that arose from the Canberra Nats. The split has been a success on the motocross side of the sport and although it's not as necessary for the less subscribed dirt track, the option is there for a club to use or not use it at their own discretion. I've been informed that the Canberra club made the decision themselves to only run with the Classic side of the split purely because they weren't confident that they could run both divisions within the two day weekend. Although the MA 'double dipping' on the permit fees would have put more pressure on the clubs finances, in the end that element had nothing to do with the decision to run with the Classic section only, nor did the split.
No wonder interest in the sport is waning.
I don't believe for one minute that interest in Classic and Post Classic Dirt Track is waning. I suspect that the downturn in the entry level was down to less than adequate promotion and a lack of hype in the period leading up to the close of entries. The buzz for the meeting prior to the entries closing was surprisingly underwhelming, even on this forum. There didn't seem to be the exciting buzz that had been obvious leading up to the Griffith and Queensland events. As we've seen in previous years, the more an event is talked up, the more excited and involved people got. When compared to these events, the build up to Canberra was rather flat.
Let's hope that next years Classic DT Nats at Temora* can get back most of the mojo that went missing this year. Unfortunately there's an obvious problem already looming with the Classic Motocross Nats set down for Canberra on the 28-29th of September and the Classic Dirt Track Nats are scheduled for one week later on the 5th-7th of October in Temora. With Classic Dirt possibly again being earmarked for September we're presented with a three major event cluster, putting time and financial pressure on those who traditionally do all three events.
*It's been rumoured and reported here that next years Nats were headed for Broadford but it now appears, according to the draft MA 2013 calendar that Temora in the NSW Riverina district has got the tentative nod.
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That's the point I was trying to make, lack of communication, even post event.
I talked it up at every opportunity as did several others.
From what i've been told, if Temora get the titles we better get the K70's and Carlisle's out of moth balls.
And that's not a critisism, I'll support it wherever it goes.
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Looks like we have to wait till next year and see what that brings .
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The Nationals at Griffith were the best run, best supported event of its type that I can remember, and to me that was and will be a very hard act to follow.
Looking forward to the Post Classics at Nepean, Great facilities, Great team, Great fun.
cheers pancho.
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Please let's not have Classic Dirt in September if at Wallerawang. Let's wait till the mercury rises and the god of wind's cheeks have emptied for the year.
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I must be missing something .
Moto-x no post classic tittles
Dirt Track no post classic titles
And reading a post that is saying the split is a success . ???
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I must be missing something .
Moto-x no post classic tittles
Dirt Track no post classic titles
And reading a post that is saying the split is a success .
If you made the effort to read back on some earlier posts you'd see that in both instances, the actual split had nothing to do with why those events didn't happen.
The Post Classic Motocross Nats failed because it was to be held in geographically and financially difficult Tasmania. It's a pretty sure bet that if it had been held on the mainland east coast it would have been a raging success. The reasons their were no Post Classic Dirt Track Championships have been ccovered over the last few pages.....once again, no fault of the split.
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I have noted that Temora is penciled in for next year ,so are they going to run both ?.If not they should make M.A aware of this so that another club can put in for the other.
Its all about communication.
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The "split" seems to have fragmented things a bit methinks. Hopefully next year will see a better result. I reckon the split has adversely affected events this year. I think the Tassie distance thing is valid and the lack of "hype" around the Classic DT also, but IMO the split has hurt numbers. Twice as many events,so twice the amount of volunteer work needed, fees , travel for some riding both etc. Do we really need 5 rounds of heats before we get to the finals in Classic DT? Cut it back to 3 heats and throw Evo and pre-85 back in. Why can't we get at least a month between Nat events? Does anyone know?
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The last 2 - 3 years the overall numbers have been around 110 entries, some of those entries riding more than one class, those 2 years also included Pre85 & EVO classes.
From what I've been told, this year in Canberra had approx 80 - 90 entries, again some riding more than one class.
Considering the split I think the numbers were pretty well on parr.
The split was inevitable and considering MA rarely go back, we need to make the best of it.
The 2 classes that really need some thought are the Sidecars and Sliders.
I'm on the MNSW Classic Dirt committee, MX & DT, so I'm keen to help make things happen.
I/we are open to all suggestions.
It aint broke but we need to be pro active.
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have noted that Temora is penciled in for next year ,so are they going to run both ?.If not they should make M.A aware of this so that another club can put in for the other.
but IMO the split has hurt numbers. Twice as many events,so twice the amount of volunteer work needed, fees , travel for some riding both etc. Do we really need 5 rounds of heats before we get to the finals in Classic DT? Cut it back to 3 heats and throw Evo and pre-85 back in
There's no need whatsoever to split the Classic and Post Classic Dirt Track Championships. As I've written earlier, both divisions can be successfully fitted into a two day weekend event so long as the promoting club has its organisational act together. There seems to be a misunderstanding at MA and promoting club level that needs to be adressed. MA needs to understand that if a club opts to run both divisions, double dipping on the permit fee is not the correct thing to do. Potential promoting clubs also need to know that it's entirely possible to run both Classic and Post Classic on the same two day weekend. It hasn't been a problem for any club over the last four or five years so why Canberra club 'froze', thinking they couldn't fit it all in surprises me. Are they that insecure about their abilities?
Why can't we get at least a month between Nat events? Does anyone know?
This is an important point. The setting of dates for the events needs to be carefully considered to allow as much time between events to allow those who attend both to spread their finances and time away from home and work over a greater time frame. Putting two National title meetings on a week apart is just plain stupid and I sincerely hope that something is done to correct this stuff up before both events are damaged.
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A big point I neglected to comment on.
Having both the MX & DT titles so close together is bloody ignorant and just goes to show how serious MA take the Classic Dirt part of motorcycling.
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Re next years Classic Dirt Track Titles at Temora, can anyone give us a bit of heads up on the proposed date.
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Overall results are up now on the ACTMCC website.
Just go to the DT results section.