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Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: 211kawasaki on March 08, 2012, 09:15:42 pm
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Just wanted a thread to keep you all in the loop on the entrys and how we are going.
At this stage we have 2 entries one complete and one not, the complete entry we will now call entry #1 and that was from Troy Kellaway from South Australia - the other was from some crusty old bugger in Queensland who is running the show and even though he's 74 and been around the block on a motorcycle for a long time cant fill out an entery correctly so Ive rejected it.
From time to time I will add the numbers as they come in and let you know where the entries are at in classes filling up.
Tanner
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I wasn't about to trust Tanner with a signed document of any sort, let alone headed "Indemnity"
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You can also enter on line through "nominate.com.au
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cant fill out an entery correctly so Ive rejected it.
Ah well !!, at least he gets another chance to enter in Tassie pre90 Classic Nationals August 10th-12th ;D ;D
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Good on your TRoy !!!! if he's going so am i now !
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Col, had a quick look thru "nominate"... can you tell me which heading the Nats entry is under..?? had a look in Motocross and off road but couldn't see it...
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Watto - my bestest buddy - I have a spare pair of glasses - let me know where to send them through to ;D
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HE has eyes in the back of his head Col......
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d88/munchboxlive/CrystalBrookFriday032-1.jpg)
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OK Ross.....with the advantage of a very "visual" set of riding gear like you possess....BUT...I am still none-the-wiser (so say some)....point me in the right direction :)
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HA - can't help yourself can you!
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up to 5 as of today
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Will snail mail mine tomorrow once I receive my license :)
Dropped the YZ off tonight to have the suspension modified to comply with the 9/9 rule so all should be good 8)
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Hi Guys
we have 23 entries as of today
Pre 60 has 4, pre 65 has 5 in the 250s and open pre 65 only 2
Tanner
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Hi Guys
we have 23 entries as of today
Pre 60 has 4, pre 65 has 5 in the 250s and open pre 65 only 2
Tanner
Dave do you expect those classes to fill?
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Yes, I havnt entered the pre 65 / pre 60 yet for starters I expect that we will have championships in all pre 65 classes - dont forget that 6 is the required number for a title event for these classes.
Tanner
Hi Guys
we have 23 entries as of today
Pre 60 has 4, pre 65 has 5 in the 250s and open pre 65 only 2
Tanner
Dave do you expect those classes to fill?
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Yes, I haven't entered the pre 65 / pre 60 yet for starters I expect that we will have championships in all pre 65 classes - dont forget that 6 is the required number for a title event for these classes.
Tanner
Okay thanks :)
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27 as of today, some grids filling fast
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33 as of today, 2 x sidecars as well
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68 AS OF TODAY
9 X national standars grids and 10 or so one or 2 riders off the required number
4 x side cars
250 grid in pre 75 has 27 and will close off at 40+2 reserves
50-59 age group has big numbers as does pre 78 that has 15-20 already on each grid
Price goes up on the first so get in while you can
Remember that we will be closing off entries on the last entry date being the 25th of May- no exceptions. For those who did the DT you will recall that there were 4-5 dissapointed riders who didnt ride.
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Entry is 130 then 20 per bike or 150 from the 1st of May. 40 pecent of you havent got that bit right and will need to tip in a bit extra.
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Low numbers for an Australia vintage Title, what numbers are you hoping to acheive. Our meeting last weekend had 70 riders., new track. and that was club meeting.
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Low numbers for an Australia vintage Title, what numbers are you hoping to acheive. Our meeting last weekend had 70 riders., new track. and that was club meeting.
It's only early days old mate.. entries don't close for another 4 weeks.
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late fee of $20.00 starts after 30th of april.
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waiting for your entry now :)
Low numbers for an Australia vintage Title, what numbers are you hoping to acheive. Our meeting last weekend had 70 riders., new track. and that was club meeting.
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Hi 211, Sorry, I would love to be their, but this year is out for me, My mate Terry is heading up to the meeting.
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mine will be given to col in the morning, 3 riders 5 bikes. ;D
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is that the pre 78 class 250cc by any chance Dave ? i entered a TM 250M just because its a fun ride, but happy to stepout if it gets full and ill try now to find a pre 65 or earlier ride if i can to substitute, if there are any out there .... keep me posted if it gets ugly in there or you hear of another ride option.
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Entries now stand at 80 riders..Three and a half weeks to close of entries.
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96 as of today,
its a great result so far considering the split. It says to me that it was a good decision.
Looking at the venue as well the track look great, a bit technical but nice flowing and fast.
211
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technical and flowing that sounds good ;D ;D
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No jumps :'(
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yeah no jumps, use the terrain to create elevation changes ....
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Lots of conclusions being jumped here
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A lot of entries are coming in without stamped addessed envelopes.They are so we can send you final instructions, passes etc. As we are using "non-motorcycling volunteers" at the gate they will not be judging who are Classic entrants, who are ride park patrons, and who are spectators, so if you dont have a pass it will cost $25 to bring you car in.
Also, if you wish to camp,please pay in advance. It's all about minimising time consuming paperwork at the venue to everyones benefit.
Thirdly, a large number have sent the wrong amount. It is up to 30 April $130.00 and then $150.00.This just enters the rider and does not include a bike. Therefore if you have already entered and you have not sent $130.00 plus $20.00 for EACH bike, plus included a stamped self addressed envelope, your entry is not complete.
Finally, it is strongly advised to arrive on Friday to get everything sorted.If you come Sat and have your entry correct, camping paid, and are well organised for scrutineering etc youll be OK, but if you dawdle in Sat, chat to your mates, muck around with incomplete paperwork etc, your may be short on practice because we won't wait.
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Col, I am assuming that if you used the web based "nominate", your passes etc will be scanned and sent to your email address provided when entering?
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hey col i entered but didnt pay for camping
can i send the money to brisbane club with my details
and how much is it
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NOw im confused Col, i thought i read on here somwhere before you said wait on the camping as it was being sorted out......
i need to camp the van. happy to pay save me a Spot !!!!
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Jackie are you in ...... I'm happy to take pics ;)
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Nominate entries should receive an electronic receipt. Print that and it will serve as your gate entry. Final instructions will be sent to Nominate entries electronically.
Camping fees and balance of entry fees ( if youve realised you are short ) can be sent direct to me at 1 Mewsdale Row,Tallai, Qld, 4213
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See main Classic Nats thread
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Lots of conclusions being jumped here
Guy said no jumps, so did Ray and someone else as well, maybe Vandy? So are you saying there will be?
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chain guards can someone update that ? i heard they were in for 2012 but now im hearing MA have supended the requirment until further notice.
IM trying to find out Why Msa say its off before i try to make 4 off them for the nats, but can anyone elighten what the go is there. no mention in the supp regs, can we have that confirmed..... please advise.
Only have so much worskshop time and need to use it wisely..
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Hi Col.
can you clarify are camping fee's ($ 25.00)? made payable to you?
cheers
Noel
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Re jumps--Guy has no imput into whether there are jumps or not.Track not finished so wait and see.
Re chain guards--contact either Shane Frazer or Dave Tanner for clarification, but I've been advised it's not an issue.
You can send camp fees to me.
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Sorry, yes camp fee is $25.00 You can camp in the pit area as each entrant is allocated a 9m by 6m space. If you cant fit in that ,there is a spill over area outside the pits
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Haven't entered the outfit yet as I'm waiting for MA scrutineer to contact me with what's in and what's out. However they don't seem interested.
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section 18 of the GCRs is what matters to the meeting, modern MX rules or rules in section 12 do not overide 18. In otherwords there is no rule in the CMX pages that make it a requirement to fit a chain guard.
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PS entries exceed 100, pre 75 open is really solid, pre 78 is really good with 25 in each or there abouts
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Haven't entered the outfit yet as I'm waiting for MA scrutineer to contact me with what's in and what's out. However they don't seem interested.
Whats the issue EML???
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section 18 of the GCRs is what matters to the meeting, modern MX rules or rules in section 12 do not overide 18. In otherwords there is no rule in the CMX pages that make it a requirement to fit a chain guard.
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So just confirming we dont need chain guards or any deflectors between the rear sprocket. Understand the front has the cover requirement however. if thats the case on the rear thats all good !
i just had been told it was all disciplines.... which gets ugly at some meetings. i just want to know that i can comply for this one. cheers Dave for that confirmation. see you on the start line. riding i hope ;)
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Sorry, yes camp fee is $25.00 You can camp in the pit area as each entrant is allocated a 9m by 6m space. If you cant fit in that ,there is a spill over area outside the pits
9m x6 sweet ..... reckon i can hire out the space left..... to Brad ;D
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section 18 of the GCRs is what matters to the meeting, modern MX rules or rules in section 12 do not overide 18. In otherwords there is no rule in the CMX pages that make it a requirement to fit a chain guard.
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This is an interesting post as I have been trying to get clarification on this exact matter. I contacted MA and was told that the general rules in section 12 (all disciplines) are the primary section and are only overridden if an item is mentioned in the individual disciplines. This is the exact opposite to what you have stated.
When you read the rule book it also seems to indicate that the general rules section 12 applies unless exempted or altered in the individual discipline section. I do not doubt that you are correct but it seems to be confused even at MA.
We need this clarified as I was specifically told only four or five days ago by an official (a senor position) at MA that VMX and classic DT bikes require a rear sprocket guard on the lower chain run as the Classic Dirt discipline section does not exempt them. He also indicated that they don't need to be extensive just sufficient to stop fingers etc from being drawn into the sprocket.
As I said I am not implying you are incorrect I just want a clear and final ruling on this as it caused issues at our last meeting.
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I cannot agree with Dave's statement above. 12.1.0.1 clearly states that chapter 12 applies to ALL disciplines. 12.1.0.2 then notes that discipline specific rules over ride chapter 12 unless otherwise stated.
12.8.8.6 then clearly states that a cover is required to prevent entrapment between the lower chain run and the rear sprocket.
Chapter 18 then makes no specification in this regard other than to note (unnecessarily) that a countershaft sprocket cover is required.
So, a rear cover IS required as it is contained in the umbrella chapter 12 and CMX specific Chapter 18 does not make any additional specification.
There can be no other interpretation in my view. If there is, then it means one cannot make a reasonable interpretation of any part of the MoMS, because chapter 12 is VERY clear.
You will note that chapter 17 covering modern MX also makes no specification regarding chain covers, so requiring covers in that discipline must be consequent to chapter 12.
If I am incorrect, please explain how as I can't see any other interpretation and it would be good to have this clarified early.
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Re jumps--Guy has no imput into whether there are jumps or not.Track not finished so wait and see.
cool. I awaite with great anticipation.
You can camp in the pit area as each entrant is allocated a 9m by 6m space. If you cant fit in that ,there is a spill over area outside the pits
crap I'm not going to fit in that! I'd be flat out getting my bikes in there....
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Brad, I can fit my Navara ute (one of the longest twin cabs), four bike trailer, 3 by 3 shade, and three or four bikes in that 9 by 6 space.
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on the 9m x 6m site size.
you can always fill that area with quickshades & bikes and park the car/ute/trailer just outside in the spill over area.
same as what has happened at other events.
no biggy
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Read 12.1.0.2 that says, "unless otherwise stated the requirements of a dicipline - specific chapter override the requirements of this chapter" and that will be CHAPTER 18!!!!!!!
I have spent 13 years now as Chair of the CMX Commission and have not only written the rule book for those years but attend 21 national championships as Chief Scruitineer; can we all just forget about this chain guard issue as I can assure you it is NOT relavent to Classic Motocross.
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adding to that
that we dont mention the chain guard protecting the sproket dosnt mean that because we dont mention it is therefore a requirement; if that was the case the book would be 6 inches thick. Out of all the dicipline specific chapters our section 18 is the clearest and most specific; your requirements for your machine are clearly stated. Lets look to pre 75, read that section and you are in no doubt of what the MACHINE requirements will be.
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211 My Wasp has a very small disc on the rear and I'm loath to fit a road based rear drum assy with (most likely steel rim and skinny spokes) Just not safe.
The original is fitted with a tiny Lockheed disc that I'm sure would have been used pre75 in Europe. Wasp tells us it was an option at the time and I am looking for a photo of Grogg or van Hueten using one to proove it.
It wont matter stuff all as we will only be padding the field-we are at best, "also rans!!"
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Brad, I can fit my Navara ute (one of the longest twin cabs), four bike trailer, 3 by 3 shade, and three or four bikes in that 9 by 6 space.
Col that's only half the stuff he takes ;D
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I'm sorry but that is not a correct interpretation. Chapter 12 is very clear that it applies to ALL DISCIPLINES. 12.1.0.2 simply provides the additional direction that discipline specific chapters can MODIFY chapter 12 but only by distinctly STATING SO (ie "the requirements of a dicipline - specific chapter override the requirements of this chapter").
If you wanted Chapter 18 to NOT require a rear sprocket cover than you needed to spell that out in Chapter 18. If a requirement is not made in a discipline specific chapter than the requirement of chapter 12 holds.
If your interpretation is correct, than NO-ONE needs to follow any rule in Chapter 12 that is not specified in the discipline specific chapter, which is clearly nonsense.
I am not trying to have a go here, but you can't have a rulebook that people are free to interpret in any old way they wish. I know what you think is being said, but it simply is not.
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Graham,
I appreciate your view on the matter and you are free to discuss further with MA if you feel you need further clarification on the subject.
I however respectfully suggest you look to 12.1.0.2 again and read it again.
In summary; class specific rules take precident over general rules; there is no component of the rule book that states that if the class specific rules do not address a specific issue then chapter X or Y applies. Section 18 as applies to CMX is quite specific, targeted and clear as to what the machine requirements are for national competition and as such the scruitineers at the meeting will be looking to section 18 of the rule book on matters of eligibility.
Regards
Dave Tanner
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211 My Wasp has a very small disc on the rear and I'm loath to fit a road based rear drum assy with (most likely steel rim and skinny spokes) Just not safe.
The original is fitted with a tiny Lockheed disc that I'm sure would have been used pre75 in Europe. Wasp tells us it was an option at the time and I am looking for a photo of Grogg or van Hueten using one to proove it.
It wont matter stuff all as we will only be padding the field-we are at best, "also rans!!"
if its a period disc and caliper you dont have a problem, if its a modern caliper and disc you will. Lockheed will be OK
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Sorry about that Dave i just wanted you take on it so i know what i need to do or not do.
I have had it said at some meeting thought that its all disciplines and you cant tell them otherwise. IF they put it in the supp regs than does that over ride and its a must ? just trying to figure out hiow ican sort this out for local meetings. IS it possible to get this in writting from MA to clarify it and then i can present this referance to COC at meeting casue i have been asked in the past why im letting bike thorought scrutineering with no rear guards. Unless i have it in writing its always going to be a fight i dont need to get into.
Again thanks for clearing up what will be the expectation at this meeting so we can all understand what complies, before that gets into a bun fight too.
Cheers mate see you in a few weeks. doing a great job Qld !
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211 My Wasp has a very small disc on the rear and I'm loath to fit a road based rear drum assy with (most likely steel rim and skinny spokes) Just not safe.
The original is fitted with a tiny Lockheed disc that I'm sure would have been used pre75 in Europe. Wasp tells us it was an option at the time and I am looking for a photo of Grogg or van Hueten using one to proove it.
It wont matter stuff all as we will only be padding the field-we are at best, "also rans!!"
if its a period disc and caliper you dont have a problem, if its a modern caliper and disc you will. Lockheed will be OK
It will be the master cylinder that catches you out, if thats not period you will have issues. you cant use nissin's for a start.
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Dave, with all due respect I have to say again that I disagree. However, there is no point in continuing the argument here. I will simply leave you with this.
Neither Chapter 17 Motocross and Supercross or Chapter 20 Dirt Track, like Chapter 18 Classic Motocross and Dirt Track, have specified any requirement to require a rear sprocket cover. That is, not one of those three chapters specifically states a need to have a rear sprocket cover. So, on what basis can MA demand that any bike ridden in modern Motocross or Dirt Track competition have a rear sprocket cover? In fact, how can MA enforce any requirement of Chapter 12 that is not specifically addressed in the discipline specific chapter?
The point of the discipline specific chapters is to specify requirements not already laid down by chapter 12. THAT is why the rulebook is not 6 feet thick - disciplines do not need to respecify requirements that have already been laid down by chapter 12. It is only where the discipline wishes to DEPART from the requirements of chapter 12 that a separate requirement need be specified. And if you don't specify it, then chapter 12 applies.
I hope you don't get any protests on this matter.
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I have confered (today) with MA and believe the advice I have given is correct
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Thanks, the disc is a lockheed original and the caliper an oldy of some sort-deffinately not modern-off an RD or so. The master is the original also.
That just leaves the front master which must be round I'm told.
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if its a puck disk and period its fine. You just need to be sure your master units are plunge type and period correct, be it round, square or mechanical cable. Just Not some 07 nisin unit etc.
There is also an out i belive, that if you cannot comply for fundimental resons, you can approach the COC or cheif scrutineer and sign off your right to be considered for a placing. Basical saying you want to run , but under stand that as you dont comply you will not be scored for championship points. What that means is you wont win shit, BUT you will get to have a ride around and enjoy the track with you mates. can say fairer than that, but the bike must in the most part be period correct and in its right era excepting the non complient item.
Again this is a check wiht the Chief Scrutineer, if in doubt
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Guys this chain guard issue will be put to bed in a day or so.
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regardless of the outcome just make it a Supp reg that its not compulsory pre 78 :O)
then get it in Writing from MA and put a note on it in the final instructions stating that is how the rule will be interpreted at this event.
'Chain guides not compulsary at this event" bet you heaps dont read htis forum so half wont have anyway given the time till the flag drops.
Cant say fairer than that. You guys know what your doing better than anyone. its your meeting.
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I look forward to the clarification Col. The problem as I see it is that chapter 18 is exactly the same as chapter 17 and 20. That is, none of those chapters specifically require a chain cover to prevent entrapment. However at a local club day here last weekend, the scrutineer carefully explained to me why the cover must be in place, and it is due to the operation of chapter 12. If that is the case, then it applies to all disciplines, which includes classic MX as much as modern MX and DT.
If Dave is right that chapter 18 by specifically NOT mentioning rear sprocket covers somehow prevents the operation of chapter 12, then the same applies to modern MX and DT, as their chapters similarly do not specify anything about covers. Which means our scrutineer is quite wrong to be enforcing that requirement on vintage bikes racing at modern meetings (ie our local club's classic class).
Therefore I can see no argument, based on Dave's interpretation, for MA to enforce rear covers on any Motocross, Dirt Track, or Classic MX/DT motorcycle. I will be passing this question on to MA for an adjudication (however one does this). Chapter 12 says what it says and it is meant to apply to all disciplines. Classic MX gets no out on this one unless it is specified somewhere in Chapter 18 which it clearly isn't. And Chapters 17 and 20 are in the same boat.
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this is getting abit serious can i hold all the protest money :D :D :D sprockets,chain guards . one old bike ,one old rider gate drops go racing (pretty simple really) ;) ;) ;)
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this is getting abit serious can i hold all the protest money :D :D :D sprockets,chain guards . one old bike ,one old rider gate drops go racing (pretty simple really) ;) ;) ;)
Mate you got to be allowed to get to the gate first ;)
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Vote no to chain guards..... on my speedway bike i can see why. BUt on these old bikes i can see greater dangers ....... rear sprockets being the least of our worries.
Even the covering of the front i question... maybe if you have loose pants, but with modern boots as a must, then what can you fit in there, and if you can how the fork did you get it in there..... ::)
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if its a puck disk and period its fine. You just need to be sure your master units are plunge type and period correct, be it round, square or mechanical cable. Just Not some 07 nisin unit etc.
There is also an out i belive, that if you cannot comply for fundimental resons, you can approach the COC or cheif scrutineer and sign off your right to be considered for a placing. Basical saying you want to run , but under stand that as you dont comply you will not be scored for championship points. What that means is you wont win shit, BUT you will get to have a ride around and enjoy the track with you mates. can say fairer than that, but the bike must in the most part be period correct and in its right era excepting the non complient item.
Again this is a check wiht the Chief Scrutineer, if in doubt
This is all we've ever asked for from the start.Thanks-entry on its way.
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Graham,
I appreciate your view on the matter and you are free to discuss further with MA if you feel you need further clarification on the subject.
I however respectfully suggest you look to 12.1.0.2 again and read it again.
In summary; class specific rules take precident over general rules; there is no component of the rule book that states that if the class specific rules do not address a specific issue then chapter X or Y applies. Section 18 as applies to CMX is quite specific, targeted and clear as to what the machine requirements are for national competition and as such the scruitineers at the meeting will be looking to section 18 of the rule book on matters of eligibility.
Regards
Dave Tanner
Dave 12.1.0.2 states as you say earlier "Unless otherwise stated the requirements of any discipline-specific chapter override the requirements of this chapter" as chapter 18 is mute (in other words chapter 18 does not override rule 12.8.8.6 ) on the issue of rear sprocket guards surely that means they must be fitted. Chapter 18 does specifically override rule 12.8.8.5 in regards of front sprocket covers.
With all due respect I am not correcting you just pointing out that the rules, as written, is very clear that it applies to all disciplines and has not been overridden in chapter 18. Possibly the intent of the rule was not to apply to VMX and CDT machines but the present rule book cannot be read the way you are explaining it and certainly MA has, or had, the opposite view only days ago.
Should have read Graeme's earlier post but I have the same issues. I would also like some official indication from MA or MNSW as it is causing problems at our Club. Level 3 Scrutineers are saying a rear sprocket cover is required.
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I completely agree Montynut, I cannot see on what basis Dave is arguing this.
Look, I am not trying to be a dick or to unfairly criticise Dave, but this is a national championship and there are rules that have to be followed whether we agree with them or not.
Let's take noise. Chapter 12 is very clear on the requirement. It sets out the process for measurement. Chapter 18 however does not. It simply states an 'effective' muffler must be fitted. So, by the reasoning in this thread, because chapter 18 does not specify what noise limits apply, we can do what we like so long as the muffler is 'effective'.
How about engine measurement? That is all specified in Chapter 12, not chapter 18. So, on what possible basis will we adjudicate such matters. Clearly not what is in chapter 12.
I just don't see how you can selectively apply the rules depending on what you think is in the spirit of things. Who gets to decide that? The Clerk of the Course? The scrutineer? That's a big charge to put on their shoulders.
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Precisely Graeme. I have the greatest regard for Dave and his work on the VMX CDT rules and without doubt it has been a great outcome for us. On this particular interpretation of the rule book I cannot agree with him. More importantly local scrutineers do not agree with him. I don't believe that the rear sprocket guard is an eligibility issue as suggested by Dave it is under the 'safety' banner intent of the rules
At club level what are we to do? A scrutineer makes a ruling, there is no way to argue against it under the rule book and MA (when contacted) indicates that rear sprocket guards are required.
I do not have a problem with fitting rear sprocket guards and have done on all my VMX bikes
Having said that this is probably not the correct place to discuss it.
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Agreed, we don't want this thread to degenerate into a shitfight. So I won't make any further comment. But I am keen to see what Col comes back with, and I shall email MA myself seeking clarification. I don't care which way it goes as long as it is cleared up in time for people to know where they really stand.
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See my reply 68
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The MQ CEO has just emailed me "David White (MA) has ruled he will allow this meeting to go ahead without the requirement of the rear chain guard. Further details to follow in writing in due course"
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So Wally, can you say fgor sure that no factory Wasp riders used the disc rear before it was sold as an option in 1976.
Any way-we'll enter and talk to the scrutes on the day and sign off on getting a place if need be.
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That Good News From David White from MA for the Nats
But what about a Club Round this sunday that I am going to .
I dont want to put a cover on my bike if I dont Have too
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2 zip ties and a side cut out of a milk container will be all you need until it is resolved
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Chain guards are simple to make, all the effort put into reasons why you dont need one or want one you could of made one. Not too many bikes from 1970 on wouldnt of had one from factory.
All bulls__t aside, keep up the good work and cant wait to be there.
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easier on some bikes troy to do than on others, i have converted a TM one previously and held it on wiht steel clamps. It almost failed and moved into the wheel.....
Zipp ties and worm clamps ? you may as well use tissue paper and pipe cleaners.... the point is it should be an option not a requirement. Not knocked up for looks to pass. maybe change that to if it was a factory fitting then you need to run one instead ?
hopefully this can be written as such into the classic chapter for 2013 or a Amendment sent out to all SCB to cover this rule off for 2012.
The option is there for you to do it if you like and should be kept that way. You only have honda to deal with id put my stick welder on one of them ;).... but when you start playing with nickel frames and cro-mo and odd shapes and wide sprocket hubs with bolts that catch them...... well im just saying its just not that easy.
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Let's wait and see what the written confirmation from MA says. I'm sure we can rely on the Commisioners to address the issue for the future. The subject is resolved for this event, and will shortly be addressed for the Post Classic and Dirt Track Championhips.
My opinion ( for what it's worth ) is that statistics don't justify such a requirement and an immediate adendum to Sect 18 is the way forward.
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Entries are now well over the 100 mark.
Pre75 250 Open is at capacity, so anyone who only wants to do his age race and not the Open, please urgently advise us so others can get in.
Pre75 263+ is nearing capacity,so if you want to ride that class get your entry in urgently
Ladies, sidecars and Pre60 need more entries.
Ladies--if only doing the Ladies class, entry fee is waived. Anyone who can trailride can easily handle this track. It is a fun class and all will get a commemorative award, celebrating the first dedicated classic class for women
Pre60 The response is disappointing as the complaint in recent years has been the old bikes are being squeezed out.This year we are guaranteeing Pre60 their own race (not combined with Pre65),and all will get a commemorative award as the "featured class" Sidecars--well what can you say?
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"Sidecars-well what can I say....."
We'll enter on the day Col.
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No you won't you stirrer. also I need the Penrite contact
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It's at work so a.m. tomorrow.
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numbers at 113
very good fields in most.
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Now 120
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looks like im going to save some money with the class that was going enter full
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No class is absolutely full, but Pre75 250 Open has only 3 spots, and Pre75 263+ has 4.
Get in straight away and you're fine.
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woo hooo momentum is happening.... lloks like the entries are coming along and who doesnt want to be left out sets in !!!!
but all these people hope there is no queue for the toliets ... :)
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Plenty of trees down that way.
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135 entries, and they actually include a lot of nice people.
Four days to go!!!
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Woo hoo thats as many as combined !!!! who said it wouldnt work. entries prove that. well done guys, this is gunna be fun !
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Full grids-what a sight!!
That first turn is going to look very busy.
Well done Super and all your crew.
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those free style ramps might get a work out if anyone forgets to turn right ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well it tapped out at 164 entries.I really can't emphasise enough the importance of getting here Friday and sorting out sign on, scrutineering etc. We will not delay practice.
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Well it tapped out at 164 entries.I really can't emphasise enough the importance of getting here Friday and sorting out sign on, scrutineering etc. We will not delay practice.
Ill be gettin there early friday morning to sort out the sign on and scrutineering and quick walk of the track.
Will be camping there friday and saturday nite too so am i guaranteed a camping spot cause im a racer or do i have to send the $25
dollars straight away ??
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No you dont have to but it would help save time at sign on. There is presentation and dinner Sunday after racing
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so if you camp its an EXTRA $25 dollars on top of entry!!!!
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yes.
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Wow! A huge $25 for a whole weekends camping, with all facilities included!
Seems good value to me.
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Yes $25 for the weekend and you can ride the trails Monday.The Park may charge a small fee for that
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i heard the park is still going to be open to the public
all weekend to use other tracks is that right ???
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That's Correct
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On Sunday evening the trophies and participation prizes will be awarded.
There will also be a sit down meal in the marque which is being provided by the Lyons club at a cost of 25.00 per head. It will be a chance to catch with fellow riders and officials and do what we all enjoy doing, talk bike crap.
A band will be providing entertainment during this time and the Bar of course will be open.
The Bar opens at 2.00pm to non competitive patrons and riders can drink in moderation at race day end. Anyone wear riding gear will not be served until after 5.00pm.
Please contact me if you will be attending the presentation meal, reply here on this post or email or text message so we can cater for numbers. No details required just how many in your party will be attending.
Email [email protected]
Text Mobile 0418630528 for eg: Yes 4
Please no phone calls.
Glenn Wollenweber
Club President Brisbane Motorcycle Club
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So...... if the park is still open to the public for regular use....how do we charge them to view the fantastic VMX that's goin' on.????
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